Bradley discusses Torres


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Why hasn't Jose Francisco Torres been playing for the U.S. national team lately?

That question has been on the minds of many observers who have wondered about Torres' lack of playing time in recent weeks, including zero appearances in the Confederations Cup. The Pachuca midfielder hasn't played since being replaced at halftime of the U.S. team's loss to Costa Rica, a game where he actually impressed despite a shaky start, and that extended absence has left fans and media wondering what happened.

U.S. coach Bob Bradley spoke to the media on Thursday and provided his first in-depth public comments on Torres and his status with the national team. It certainly sheds some light on where the young midfielder stands with the U.S. team.

“Jose has had a very, very busy schedule with his club team and in discussions we felt that it was important that he have a little bit of a break before things start up again," Bradley said. "When we look at all the different factors, certainly the idea that next summer, players will be coming right from their clubs into training camp that leads into the World Cup.

"You have to make very difficult decisions about whether a player can go a couple years without a break or there’s a need in some cases for a player to have a little bit of a break now before he begins an important stretch."

When asked what Torres needs to work on to improve and increase his role with the national team, Bradley provided even more insight:

“I think it’s just that he’s a young player. I think Pachuca has done a very good job of developing his talent," Bradley said. "If you were to look at the way they have used him in the last couple of years, they have also brought him along at the right speed, and with all that in mind, we look at how he handles things every time he comes into camp.

"He did have an opportunity this year to have a number of appearances in his first year with the national team, and a number of starts, so I think that is a sign from us in terms of our feeling for what he can do for the national team," Bradley said. "With any young player you try to move him along at the right speed—to make decisions about when it’s time to play more, when you need to maybe give it a little more time to see. So we’re in that process, it’s gone well so far and hopefully it will continue to move forward.”

Based on Bradley's comments it does sound as though Torres is in his plans and has not been frozen out by or fallen out of favor with the U.S. coach. We will see in the coming months what Torres' role winds up being and how much better the 21-year-old midfielder can become.

What do you think of Bradley's comments? Do they help give you a better understanding of where Torres stands in the national team picture? Are you more confident that Torres will have a role to play in the coming months and next year? Anxious to see him take the field vs. Mexico on Aug. 12?

Share your thoughts below.

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82 Responses to Bradley discusses Torres

  1. marlon says:


  2. c.b says:

    Bradley is a punk..Torres should be playing alot more, he is one of the only guys on the team that doesn’t lose the ball

  3. Brett says:

    Garbage. How is not playing Torres “developing him at the right speed” when Bradley consistently trots out Sacha Kljestan who is far less developed and lacks the requisite skills and instincts to play at the international level?

  4. ThaDeuce says:


    and no more Kljestan over Torres, ever.

  5. patrick says:


    wrong, go back and look at the costa rica game. He’s great on the ball, but right now I’m inclned to believe Bradley, though subbing him at half against costa and never have him reappear is a bit sketchy. The kid HAS been busy and will probably be appearing even more given his progress so maybe bradley has the right idea

  6. Kevin says:

    Translation: Torres is exhausted and only has one gear. Why risk an injury or him getting burned out by putting him in the midfield against great teams like Spain or Brazil?

  7. dman23 says:

    The only time I can see him coming in is if he would sub for j.jones late in a game if we’re down(cause we no bradley wouldn’t sub his son). Benny might be first off the bench in that situation though. The other option is if Benny does come in for a center mid, then if we wanted to move clint up top toward the end we could either put freddy or jose at the wing. It’s really tough to imagine Jose getting starting player time. If every one is healthy and Jones is on the squad who would you see Torres playing over.

  8. harry says:

    Wait so Torres who impressed needs to be brought in slowly……….but Give-away Kjlestan who stinks vs Quality was brought in very fast just like Mikey(Mikey is good so he gets a pass!) in early 2007 but Kjlestan all thses starts and minutes and chances after all his give-aways and stink-ups just kept getting the nod.

    I dont understand, Torres is in the same situation this year as Braldey Jr……..and bradley was a 90-minute starter during the spring/summer games………was Pops over-working/or show-caseing his son.

  9. ManicMessiah says:

    Maybe there’s more to what he said, otherwise I read that four or five times and didn’t really learn much.

    He didn’t play in Confederations Cup because he’s tired? So he was just there to have experience being in South Africa, taking up a roster spot? I don’t like the philosophy, but I guess I can understand the reasoning.

    If anything, to me, the comments about his development as a player says to me Bradley will continue to be a little hesitant with him.

  10. Champe says:

    It is consistent. We know BB likes to play guys that are plenty well rested after their seasons end (see Beasley)…

    I like Torres. That being said, he was a serious defensive liability in the middle of the park against CR. And since our outside midfielders don’t like to track back much and we need MB to attack and defend I don’t see much immediate room on the field for Torres unless he wants to play outside. The truth is that BB doesn’t like to play people who don’t put defense first, unless their last name is Beasley or Klijstans.

  11. madmax says:

    From Bradley’s answers one could deduce that either he brought Gringo Torres into ConFeds Cup to ride the pine, or that Kjlestan was the better player/option in both games. I do not like either conclusion. The good side is that he explained the Gold Cup exclusion.

  12. Barry U says:

    I am ok with the line of think that BB is taking here. To me it sounds like Jose is tired and was running on fumes. I still think he will play and play well for us in the coming years.

  13. DJ says:

    When it comes down to it, I don’t see Torres as a CM. He could definitely be a super sub in the midfield position but he’s not defensively strong enough to maintain a tough CM position like the obvious choices of Jones, Edu, and lil’ coach. At that point you have to ask yourself if he is better than either dempsey or donovan and he just plain isn’t.

    You know what though, the fact that we can have these arguments says so much about this countries future, even as close as 2010. Davies, Altidore, Donovan, Jones, Bradley, Dempsey, Boca, Gooch, DeMerit, Spector, and Howard is truly a starting 11 capable of taking down ANY country.

    What we lacked at the Confed Cup was depth and when you factor in a healthy Edu, Torres, Cherundolo, Cooper, and Feilhaber we easily have that depth. It’s a very exciting time for us.

    We don’t need no stinkin’ Castillo.

  14. Rudy says:

    So basically he said nothing. Bring them in slowly unless it’s your kid or they played at Chivas USA.

  15. DCUfanTX says:

    that is just the official P.R. line. but actions speak louder than words.

    1. Donovan has not had a break either. He went from MLS to Bayern in the winter, back to MLS and doing CONCACAF duty at the same time.
    2. Beaz was chosen ahead of all the midfielders even though he has not played in over a year for Celtic
    3. Jozy was chosen despite not having played in over a year.

    * Adu sits on the bench despite having played more minutes than Jozy
    * Torres certainly has had more playing experience than any other midfielders other than Clark, Michael Bradley and Demps.

    so you tell me. do i buy this new line of PR?

    it is clear to me that Bradley has a pool of preferred player he likes to call on no matter the circumstances. and you can’t possibly tell me that on the biggest world stage, when the world is watching, and i can possibly land a big fat contract to a bigger club, i am downing a couple of Red Bulls and pulling all the stops just to get on the field.

  16. Fireball says:

    Kljestan didn’t have the busy season that Torres did.

  17. Little Meow says:

    I don’t see why Bradley would feel the need to be dishonest about it if he didn’t really rate Torres.

    Maybe I’m naive, but judging by the comments it sounds like Bradley is taking the long view, he doesn’t want him to burn out by the time WC 2010 comes around. It sounds like he has plans for him, that eases my concerns a bit.

  18. dman23 says:

    DJ I totally agree, I think Castillo might provide some depth at Left Back though.

    If Boca goes down again, we have Bornstein (which might be comparable to Castillo) after that it’s slimmm pickens between Pearce, Beasley…..

  19. MiamiAl says:

    Without playing a minute, he has moved ahead of Klijestan.

  20. goalscorer24 says:

    The being tired part, ok makes sense as to why Torres was left out of the Gold Cup. The rest of it does not make sense when Bradley subbing in or starting Klejstan over Torres. For me it reeks much more of favoritism. Bradley has coached Klejstan at Chivas, and Beasley at Chicago. Therefore he goes to the guys he knows.

  21. Champe says:

    I think J. Jones and Edu will both be in the mix for next summer, with Torres. Kleijstan (along with Beasley, barring a remarkable recovery in form) has played his way out of any viable rotation.

  22. Lloyd Heilbrunn says:

    So Adu does not play because he does not play enough for his club, and Torres does not play because he plays too much for his club?

  23. Luis says:

    The players who can best help the team should be playing. I don’t care how much club time they get. Consider that Beasley didn’t produce, and he gets no club time while Jozy did produce and received about the same amount of playing time with his club. Bringing in his Chivas USA guys against Brazil was a horrible decision, who makes 2 subs at a time? If you want to slow the game down do them separately. I felt that personnel choice was a bad one on this occasion, but I can’t remember if Torres was even in the 18 for that game. I really think that Torres needs to be in the mix for the Azteca, if only because he is used to playing at altitude. So are Orozco and Castillo for that matter.

  24. jimmygreaves says:

    I dont understand, Torres is in the same situation this year as Braldey Jr……..and bradley was a 90-minute starter during the spring/summer games………was Pops over-working/or show-caseing his son.

    Posted by: harry |


    Your hatred is overcoming your reason.

    When Bradley jr. was beginning his run in the USMNT it coincided with his tearing up the Dutch league. In 2007-2008 Bradley appeared for Herenveen 30 times and scored 16 goals. He had another 2 apearances for them in European play with another 2 goals to go. He then transferred to Gladbach and has appeared for them 28 times with 5 goals. That is 23 goals over a 60 game period or a little over a goal every three games, very impressive for a midfielder. Please don’t tell me that Torres is a better defender.

    For perspective, in the same time span Dempsey appeared in 81 games for Fulham and scored 14 goals. Granted England has better competition the Eredivise and Germany are pretty tough leagues and have provided the world with many of the best players.

    Please explain how Torres’ record (since 2006 he has 48 appearances for Pachuca and 2 goals)is better than Bradley’s and qualifies him to play ahead of him?

  25. Dan Roudebush says:

    I suspect Torres would have seen some action had the US lost to Spain and played for third place.

    I can agree on a rest and ommission from the Gold Cup.

    But the question of “rest” then arises for other players.

    What about Mike? He’s been going on far too long without a break. Will he take at least a couple of weeks off before checking in with MG? Nothing on their site about him showing up, and I think they have an early cup game.

    Dempsey? etc.

  26. Champe says:

    Bradley is the best central midfielder America has ever produced. His passing needs to come along, but he has an engine, cover ground, tackles hard, and finishes. No comparision with Torres — or anyone else to ever wear the US jersey. He is like a poor mans’ Lampard, which is a very high compliment. You will see him play on a legitimate, high-level Euro club before his career ends, like a Man U, Bayern AC, Real type. He’s going to be that good.

  27. SuperChivo says:

    I’m not a Bob hater but it does certainly appear that he has shown a real lack of class on this one. He yanks at half-time against Costa Rica, a match no Yank played well in, doesn’t dress him at all for Honduras and then for the Confeds cup, leaves him off the roster for the Gold Cup and only now comes out with a wishy-washy statement. I hope for the best for Jose and that he continues to develop his talent.

  28. Isaac says:

    Why is it that hard for everyone to understand? Torres is tired, we don’t want to risk him getting injured, so we’re giving him a rest.

    If you guys honestly cared for the team or Torres you would want them to be in tip top shape before a game. Instead, you’re taking them for granted. These guys are human, they’re allowed breaks just like us and even when a player’s playing well, it takes energy to play that well. Just let the boy rest and we’ll see what he can do in Azteca possibly.

  29. Rekro hates Rossi says:

    Bradley’s logic makes no sense whatsoever, He won’t play Torres because he doesn’t wanna burn him out, But he starts Beasley who was coming off a great season, sitting on the bench watching Rangers win the SPL.

  30. jimmygreaves says:


    One more thing, Bradley has scored more goals for his club than any other US player abroad (in Europe) in the last two years.

    Donovan has more but he is a forward and he plays in the MLS.

    So tell me why you want to replace Bradley with a guy who has 2 goals in the Mexican league in three years?

  31. Elliott says:

    I love the kid’s soccer brain, but in a 4-4-2 with two hold mids he is going to struggle to supplant Bradley-Clark-Edu-Jones

  32. einar says:

    I like what BB said. You cant tire him out so soon cuz he wont have breaks like this one anymore. Look at Landon for example. He is called up every single time almost and also the other starters.

  33. Ben says:

    Yeah, I’m amazed by the stupidity and shallowness of sports knowledge that some of the people who read this blog have.

    Torres himself said this week that he was tired after playing a full season with Pachuca (unlike the rest of our guys, he was actually playing 90 minutes every week).

    We were also playing teams like Brazil and Spain in which we had no option but to play two holding mids unless we wanted to have 4-5 goals hung on us. Great as Torres is with the ball, he’s a little dude and wouldn’t have stood a chance defending Kaka or Fabregas.

  34. jimmygreaves says:

    I’m not a Bob hater but it does certainly appear that he has shown a real lack of class on this one. … I hope for the best for Jose and that he continues to develop his talent.

    Posted by: SuperChivo

    Both Bradley and Torres have said exactly the same thing about the situation so could you please explain how that is a lack of class. Also, its very silly to compare Torres to Bradley,Beasley and Kjlestan. You don’t know what these guys are like in person or on the training ground. Every player is different.

    Do you realy think Bradley is in such a powerful position that he can afford to not use Torres if he could really help him? Do you really think he is that stupid? Do you really thinmk he is a racist? That would be interesting since he took Chivas from last place to the playoffs in 2005 and I think they had a few latino players, didn’t they?

  35. Burrito says:

    Bradleys head needs to be chopped off, he loco, time for a new coach!

  36. Ben says:

    Can’t defend Bob on starting Kljestan, though.

    Guy can’t dribble, can’t pass, and the long-range “wonder strikes” he scores are simply slow 30-yard lobs that take advantage of the, shall we say, shoddy goalkeeping in MLS.

  37. Champe says:

    Bradley is not perfect — he rolled too long with Beasley, he’s gone too long with Kliejstans, and I think the formation he came out against CR was crazy on the road in a hostile environment — but he is working with what he has, and doing pretty well.

    We have no real touchline outside midfielders and other than Hedjuk no real attacking outside backs. But we have tons of central midfielders, of one sort or another. Actually we have tons of holding midfielders (Edu, Clark, Jones, etc), three attacking midfielders (Feilhaber, Dempsey, and Donovan), one box to box midfielder (Bradley — although we may end up pencilling Holden in behind him). Then we have three half-forwards (Altidore, Davies, and ching — none of whom are exactly lethal finishers, but each of which has at least one particular gift) and a solid defense. So I ask you — where would you put Torres if he can’t play outside? If you know the game you’d put him where he’s been — on the bench, as a possible 70th minute sub if you need to turn the game.

  38. harry says:

    Jimmygreaves, Bradley Jr. began his run with the USMNT(90-minute starts that is) when he was still a reserve for Hereenveen in early 2007 continuing into the summer of 2007. Its apparent your memory is shady.

  39. Jackie says:

    Based on Bradley’s comments it does sound as though Torres is in his plans and has not been frozen out by or fallen out of favor with the U.S. coach.

    Nice sugar coating Ives.

  40. Jackie says:

    I finally figured it.

    Torres was forced upon Bradley by USSF . He capped him, then Torres didn’t do so well, so he’s in BB dog house.

  41. Dave says:

    His reasoning makes perfect sense for a second, but then you realize a moment later the glaring hypocrisy of his statements and how incredibly public relations driven they are.

    The reasoning with Adu makes perfect sense until you see the case of Jozy Altidore.

    The reasoning with Torres makes perfect sense until you see the case of Klejestan.

    The reasoing with Casey makes perfect sense until see Kenny Cooper.

  42. Ben says:

    Thank god none of you idiots are coaching the national team.

  43. Champe says:

    Dave —

    C’mon, seriously? For one — Torres played far more minutes and games than Sasha &, though it’s distant now, Sasha had a hat trick against quality Euro competition in the last six months.

    Two — Adu quit growing and would have to take a spot from either Donovan or Dempsey (NOT GOING TO HAPPEN), while Jozy is still improving and has a skill set non-existent elsewhere in our player pool.

    Third — Casey and Cooper are both cloggers who won’t do much against good competition, so it’s truly a pick ’em for the coach. He picked Casey.

    These are the things a coach does. If you’re going to take him to task find something that makes sense to do it over.

  44. sonicdeathmonkey says:

    Lloyd, you just put a bow on the enigma that is Bob Bradley.

  45. Paul says:

    So Torres doesn’t play because he’s tired, and Adu doesn’t play because he’s rusty. That’s pretty much two roster spots wasted on guys who are along for the ride.

  46. Everybody says:


  47. jimmygreaves says:

    Jimmygreaves, Bradley Jr. began his run with the USMNT(90-minute starts that is) when he was still a reserve for Hereenveen in early 2007 continuing into the summer of 2007. Its apparent your memory is shady.

    Posted by: harry |


    Really? In 2006-2007 Bradley played 21 games with 0 goals )out of about 36 league games) for Hereenveen. When Bradley came in to the USMNT he was supposed to be a defensive mid. I would argue his playing time in Europe alone was reason enough to give him a good look.

    And here is the real question. Who was the competition then? Rico, Mastroeni, Kerry Zavagnin?

    Here are the midfielders for the Copa America 2007 Squad:

    MIDFIELDERS- Kyle Beckerman (Colorado Rapids), Ricardo Clark (Houston Dynamo), Benny Feilhaber (Hamburger SV), Eddie Gaven (Columbus Crew), Sacha Kljestan (Chivas USA), Justin Mapp (Chicago Fire), Lee Nguyen (PSV Eindhoven), Ben Olsen (D.C.United)


    Benny should have been a star but got sidelined for whatever reason. Tell me who in that group you would have played over Bradley?

    harry your prejudice is showing. Bradley has a chance to be one of the best the US has ever produced, since he is consistently producing at such a high level. In career terms, the standard would be Claudio Reyna.

    July 03, 2009 at 04:17 PM

  48. harry says:

    also jimmygreaves, i never bashed bradley………i actually asked a question: in 2008 spring/summer friendlies Bradley after coming off a very tired season of effort with his club was used as a 90-minute starter in those 3 super-games for no reason. He could have been a sub for one of them since well he played all his club games so he had to be tired. Now the same situation arised with Torres in 2009………and Bob repsonse is Torres who is less tired form less Club games played needs a rest? It dosent make sense which is why i asked..was Bob showcasing his son…because he had other club teams wanting to see him play? It looked like thats what he did..and what he did for his favorite Kjlestan, because Kjlestan had Club twente watching.

  49. JoeW says:

    1. Can’t call up Castillo yet–he wouldn’t be eligible (just like Jones isn’t eligible right now).

    2. The arguments that relying on Kljestan proves bias against Torres are just….wrong.
    –Torres himself said publicly that he’s running on fumes. He said he needs to rest.
    –Gold Cup PT isn’t that important for Torres. But you know what is (if he’s going to have a serious shot at contributing in the WC)? It’s being a serious player with Pachuca. And so it’s better for him to go back to his club, get a bit of a rest, focus on being a starter and have a great club season. Rather than do the Gold Cup, us US fans get in a tizzy one way or the other, then he breaks down physically after 2+ years of nonstop playing (he’s said he’s played 1.5 years so far without a break). Instead, he should have a great club year season and go into the WC healthy and in-form.
    –It’s not a double standard for BB in terms of Torres. He’s asking Torres to grow a major part of his game. Torres probably isn’t a CM in the US system, he’s probably playing left outside mid. At which point he needs to cover more ground and defend better, both things he’s not great at.

    What I hear Bradley saying is basically “he’s coming along nicely, his confidence is growing, let’s don’t rush him.” Agree or disagree, the comments aren’t negative.

    3. Altidore vs. Adu are no comparison. Altidore plays a position we don’t have much talent at and Ching was hurt. Adu plays a position (CAM) that really isn’t a good fit with BB’s system.

    4. Calling on Kljestan isn’t about a bias against Torres. It’s about Kljestan have a couple of year’s experience working with Bradley, knowing what he wants, knowing the drills, being clear on his role(s). And yeah, he’s playing terribly. But basically he’s played recently because of a lack of real options–we needed a central mid who could defend and go forward. That wasn’t Torres or Adu.

    Look, I’m not in the tank for BB. I’ve pointed out that I think he’s made a couple of bad tactical and personnel choices. But I don’t see him out to stick it to Adu or Torres.

  50. Jamie Z. says:

    Ben – Seconded.

    Everybody – Hear, hear.

    I think people forget (or don’t have the capacity to recognize) that any perspective we have as outside observers is incomplete. We’re only seeing a small part of the big picture and what goes on. Who here has even seen these players in training? Who knows who’s carrying a knock or who’s winded from a long campaign? Just because we don’t see the logic in certain coaching moves and decisions doesn’t mean there is none. That is not to say Bradley is infallible, but it does mean he knows a lot more about what’s going on than any of us. There’s a bit more to coaching than plugging different formations into Football Manager or FIFA ’09 and then spouting off on an online messageboard.

  51. harry says:

    wow, Jimmygreaves tell me where i was bashing Bradly and being predijuce? i was using a comaprison. I thionk its funny your the one with the prejeduce with a player……in fact youd did with Adu with a very recent other thread…your facts were way off on Adu and his goal scoring average and you never responded to the correction. And as i noted i Said Bradleyw as good in my first post in this specific thread.

  52. Champe says:

    JoeW —

    I completely agree. Bradley is doing fine, as far as I’m concerned. Christ, anyone remember Arena refusing to play Dempsey in the World Cup even though he was one of our few viable goal scorers? We’ve had a history of bad personnel decisions and, yes, a history of coaches who have inexplicably relied solely on US college players at the expense of a number of very talented Hispanic players from the southwest who never got into the ODP pool (via club soccer, which is expensive) and, therefore, into college — but this (Torres) ain’t that situation.

    Sure, someday maybe our talent pool will expand, our scouting will improve, and we won’t need to rely on only a handfull of qualified players. But for now, there are only a few real options and Bradley has done very well working with what he has.

  53. Joe B says:

    thanks for this post ives .. its much appreciated

  54. Jose A. V. says:

    I was ok with the fact that he didnt play at Confederartions cup. but he should be at Gold Cup. Bradley should have given him a break while at Confederations and then call him in to Gold Cup

  55. timmy says:

    klejstan sucks balls. this excuse from bradley is bs.

  56. Never First says:

    Torres has already said he needs a break and doesn’t want to play in the Gold Cup. No problem there.

    However, this is just gibberish from Bradley. I’m sorry Ives, but this interview provided zero “insight” into the situation. You think he’s going to say anything negative about any player in the national team pool? Of course not. That’s not his style.

    I have no problem bringing Torres along slowly, but our lack of depth killed us in the final. We had no decent subs to bring in the second half. You have to give guys a chance sometime.

  57. Phillip says:

    It’s simple… and I think Bob knows this.

    Torres = Will be at the World Cup next summer representing the United States

    Kljestan = Will not be at the World Cup next summer representing the United States

    Bob pretty much gave Sacha one last chance to prove he could do it at that level.

    Like Pablo Mastroeni (Honduras)… DaMarcus Beasley (Brazil)… Eddie Johnson (Spain)… Bobby Convey (Mexico)…

    We now have Sacha Kljestan (Brazil).

  58. zongzap says:

    I wouldn’t believe a word Bradley says if he swore on a stack of bibles.

    How is Torres any different then any other player that actually plays for his club? He rode the bench for close to a month in the Confed cup and he’s still not rested? Maybe he better get a Jozy or Beasley deal, you know, one where you never play …. but then he’d wouldn’t be in game shape.

    Typical Bradley crapola

  59. madmax says:

    “We were also playing teams like Brazil and Spain in which we had no option but to play two holding mids unless we wanted to have 4-5 goals hung on us. Great as Torres is with the ball, he’s a little dude and wouldn’t have stood a chance defending Kaka or Fabregas.”
    Posted by: Ben

    This would make sense if Bradley didn’t play Kljestan, who can neither hold, defend, pass or shoot. Since he did play Kljestan the above argument makes no sense.

  60. madmax says:

    “But basically he’s played recently because of a lack of real options–we needed a central mid who could defend and go forward. That wasn’t Torres or Adu.”

    Joe, Kljestan could do neither. The second Brasil game the need when Kljestan came on was for someone to hold the ball and the lead, later it was for attack. Again Kljestan could do neither.

  61. NYC says:

    I like what BB said here. I think Torres will be a very important player in terms of developing a different style, where the back line is comfortable putting balls on the turf to the midfield and knowing that he can receive in tight spaces and make the correct and safe decision to attack or be safe. Makes the team so much more dangerous than the constant reliance on sending long balls any time pressure is applied by our opponents.

  62. Alex G says:

    I agree with all of you guys saying that Torres is far better than Kljestan, he has good pace, a great first touch and can pass, something that Sacha has a lot of trouble doing, so I support Torres role in the NATS, well see what happens…

  63. Jdavids says:

    Ives and company, how embarrassing was it every time Connor Casey stepped out on the field? Think in terms of “integrity” and “ability” when answering this debilitating quandary.

  64. Scott in Houston says:

    When BB was talking about Torres needing a break, he was NOT talking about benching him in the Confederations Cup squad. Instead, he was talking about not including him in the Gold Cup squad. He’s saying exactly what Torres said a few days ago — I need a break, because I’ve got a big season coming up.

    His reasons for playing Klejstan instead of Torres in the Confederations Cup might have been complicated:

    On Sacha’s side, bro needs to get some spark back — he’s been a downer since not getting picked up by Celtic. Bob might have thought that showing faith in him now might prove something to Sacha and help him get back on track.

    On Torres’s side, Bob’s concerned about making him a scapegoat for anything. If he puts in Torres and we lose a game in which we were outclassed (the second half of the final against Brazil), then Torres might lose some confidence or get pilloried at websites like this, where people are just too ready to spew.

    I was disappointed that Torres didn’t play, and I think he’s a much better prospect than Sacha, but Michael Bradley was right last week: we don’t know s*** about what happens in the team, and maybe we should reserve our judgment and/or constant questioning of Bradley’s decision-making.

  65. Michael F. - SBI MAFIA ORIGINAL says:

    Sounds like half-truths coming out of Bradley’s mouth to me. But you never know. That fact that Torress and Adu didn’t see a minute, even though we made it to the final, will always make me doubt Bradley’s judgement.

  66. BCC says:

    Anyone who thinks Torres should be taking minutes from Bradley knows nothing about soccer. Period.

    Torres has shown some ability, but I don’t see what the hype is about. He’s been okay, not great. As much as I don’t like Klejstan for his inconsistency, he has shown more at the national level than Torres has.

    I find it hilarious that at this point someone would accuse BB of nepotism.

  67. Tony in Quakeland says:

    I see any credit and good will that Bradley built up bringing us to our first FIFA final lasted about twenty seconds. Everything he said sounds reasonable, not that it makes any difference to people who have already made up their minds.

  68. Tony in Quakeland says:

    Bcc your comment: “Anyone who thinks Torres should be taking minutes from Bradley knows nothing about soccer. Period.”

    Abosulf**kinglutely. A mean, he has to be kidding. right? Unbelievable.

  69. martha says:

    Playing probably would have helped him get to Deportivo la Coruna.

    Now he will probably remain stagnant in Mex.

  70. Tom says:

    “Bradley discusses” is an oxymoron.

  71. SD says:

    it is true that we don’t know what happens in training and perhaps torres was tired and so BB didn’t play him as a result.

    But I don’t think that sacha was the right sub in the final against brazil. it is possible that he didn’t want torres’ first minutes to be in a final against brazil…and thus he put in sacha…he scored 3 goals against sweden, who started a young team as well, so i was not convinced of him after that match

    but it doesn’t matter, BB’s tactics will always need to be second guessed. we must remember, the line up he used in the confed cup was the result of injuries, not a stroke of coaching genius. the international game had changed years ago and playing with one striker is no longer effective. and his idea to go with a conservative team on the road…not good. you have to play to win regardless of the venue.

    BB doesn’t have the confidence to field a strong every match. Perhaps the spain and brazil final will show him that at minimum 2 strikers are needed to give the team a chance to win….

  72. Tom P says:

    BB talks that corporate/ political cadence which leaves you thinking when he done talking; ” What did he exactly mean by what he just said”?

    You would have to be James Joyce scholar to derive exactly what was the code in this interview.

    ( All of you who unfortunately have taken a lit. course with Joyce will know getting at. For those lucky enough not have had to Joyce wrote novels that one thing on the surface with some kind of coded cryptic subtext that contained the real truth/meaning that still don’t understand. I dropped the class and took a class on comic books instead – no BS)

  73. Leo says:

    I believe that BB being a Jersey-type of person will show that he does not believe that any “latinos” need to be in “his” team for it to be a winner. Forget Bocanegra-he is a “assimilated non-spanish speaking Mexican American, so I don’t believe he will accept Castillo or much less, Torres.

    They are “too small” not physical and tough players like Bradley or Mastreoni. Sorry, but I don’t expect BB to be calling Torres or Castillo to the national team anytime soon. But, I hope I am wrong. But, the team really played outstanding at th CC. Good luck the rest of the way.

  74. jackdude says:

    Just play him (Torres). BB could not coach himself out a wet paper bag. I still thinks he’s got to go.

  75. K. Bowen says:

    Then why was he on the roster? Why did Bob bring two players he didn’t plan on using? We needed a possession player against Brazil, a guy who could play with it and let the ball do the work. We got Klejstan.

  76. The Ghost of Josimar says:

    Torres may well be tired; it probably was best for him to skip the Gold Cup.

    But he is far, far better than Kljestan. In the current player pool, he is one of the only players who can actually maintain possession and play smart balls out of a central midfield position.

    That Torres got no minutes in the Confederations beggars belief.

    I have made this point several times, but Torres can actually play defense. His defensive work against El Salvador was very good. And really he should be judged by how he plays week in and week out for Pachuca.

    That said, the blunder against Costa Rica — it was ugly.

    Bigger picture:

    Under Bradley we will go forwards playing with lots of heart and all-hands-on-deck defense as we did against Brazil and Spain.

    But we will never get far chasing and defending desperately.

    Eventually we will need to develop a game where we maintain some possession, where the ball does some of the work.

    And Torres is just the type of player who can help the team settle the play and keep the ball.

    Bob Bradley? A good man, probably. But conservative to a fault. Unimaginative. Clings to his favorites when they are way out of form (Beasley) or simply not good enough (Kljestan).

    It’s a real pity we are stuck with him as the manager through 2010.

  77. Leonardo says:

    “Give-away” Sacha haha that’s just too funny and, sadly, true.

    Torres is great. What has Torres said in reply? I’m sure it’s a structured response. I sure would have liked to know Bradley’s thoughts a while back, but it is what it is.

  78. Jimmygreaves says:

    “I dont understand, Torres is in the same situation this year as Braldey Jr……..and bradley was a 90-minute starter during the spring/summer games………was Pops over-working/or show-caseing his son.

    Posted by: harry | July 03, 2009 at 02:34 PM”



    Of course you were bashing Bradley, both of them. You were implying that BB was showing favoritism towards his son by playing him so much in 2007 and why wasn’t he doing that for Torres? This is an insult to Michael Bradley’s potential at the time and ability as well as to his father’s professionalism.

    When MB showed up, there was a very clear need for a good DM. M Bradley was clearly playing a lot in a tough European league. His play since then has clearly justified his Father’s decision. You could argue that his goal against Egypt is the one that turned the tournament around.

    Torres also played regularly in the Mexican league but the role he is auditioning for is not so clearly defined and there is more competition than Bradley had. Bradley clearly fits into the scheme of the USMNT whereas, that is not so clear with Torres.

    As for Adu I responded on the other thread.

  79. Jimmygreaves says:

    I believe that BB being a Jersey-type of person will show that he does not believe that any “latinos” need to be in “his” team for it to be a winner. Forget Bocanegra-he is a “assimilated non-spanish speaking Mexican American, so I don’t believe he will accept Castillo or much less, Torres.

    They are “too small” not physical and tough players like Bradley or Mastreoni. Sorry, but I don’t expect BB to be calling Torres or Castillo to the national team anytime soon. But, I hope I am wrong. But, the team really played outstanding at th CC. Good luck the rest of the way.

    Posted by: Leo | July 04, 2009 at 01:13 AM



    I’m just curious about one thing. You seem to be saying that BB is a (I’m paraphrasing here) “New Jersey type Racist” or whatever that means (I wonder what Ives thinks of that) and does not like “real” latinos.

    So how come he managed to lead CHIVAS USA in 2006 from last place to the playoffs the next year? Didn’t they have a lot of spanish speaking players, Mexican or otherwise? And weren’t some of them small? By the way Mastroeni speaks spanish, well enough that Mexican TV interviews him in Spanish.

    I’d really like an answer.

  80. sean says:

    If Torres needs a break so bad why did BB bring him to the Confederations Cup? I don’t understand why they brought him to the tournament if they had no intention of playing him.

  81. Kung Fu Kangaroos says:

    Interesting dialog between Harry, Jimmygreaves, and Leo. Here’s my 2 cents :-)

    1. I don’t think any of us have any issues of Bradley Jr starting, he is clearly one of our better CM’s.

    2. Many of us (me included) have issues with Sacha getting more playing time than Torres. Torres is clearly the better option to bring into a game as a sub than Sacha.

    3. Torres is tired … so is Dempsey, Bradley, Donovan, Gooch, and Boca. No matter how “tired” he is, you can’t really say he’s too tired to play as a 25 to 35 minutes second half sub in a game or two since Costa Rica.

    4. I don’t think Bob is a racist … but when it comes to the US National Team, I think subconsciously he is more comfortable with what he knows and is used to. That would be “traditional” Americans like African Americans and “white” Americans that came up through the traditional US soccer system … than he is with Mexican hertitage or Latino heritage type players … or even an Adu type of player from Africa. You may point to Gooch, but Gooch was born here, raised in America, and came up through the American soccer system.

    It’s not just Bob … it’s the entire US Soccer Federation. They have basically admitted as much that they are not doing enough to tap into the large latino / hispanic population (or immigrant population for that matter) and that those type of players are essentially falling through the cracks. Torres and Castillo (and Orozco to a certain extent) were discovered by Mexican clubs, not by the US soccer system.

    The US is doing a better job as evidence by the diversity in the US youth squads … but only time will tell if the US fully embraces these type of players or whether they get disenfranchised like a Subotic.

    5. Chivas USA club team and US National Team are two totally different things. In a club, you are pretty much stuck with your roster and can only make changes slowly via trades, drafts, and in collaboration with the GM and/or management of club. On the National Team, you’re the man and can call in who you want (within FIFA guidelines of-course)

  82. pablo torres says:

    Yes but everyone knows the Mexicann heritage players only pass to each other. So you tell me who is being racially biased.

    This is why we need an international coach and Bob should go, Sunil too, we dont need nutty diversity intiatives, we just need a coach who is color blind and can pick talent and mold a team from the multiple playing styles in US.