Soccer Saturday: Your Running Commentary

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Luis Suarez and Patrice Evra will face each other on the field for the first time since the controversial racism charges against Suarez when Manchester United and Liverpool renew their rivalry in today's marquee match-up.

Suarez will be key to the Reds chances of knocking off Manchester United in a vital match-up for both teams. Liverpool won the last meeting between the clubs, but beating the Red Devils in league play won't be easy.

Tottenham takes on Newcastle in another crucial Premier League clash as Harry Redknapp looks to focus on Spurs and their quest for a title, while the Magpies attempt to avoid slipping out of the race for a top four place.

In Italy, AC Milan take on Udinese in the top Serie A match-up of the day, while Charlie Davies and Sochaux take on St. Etienne in Ligue 1 action.

If you will be watching today's action, please feel free to share your thoughts, opinions and some play-by-play in the comments section below.

Enjoy the action (Today's TV schedule is after the jump)


7:45 a.m. – ESPN2/ Deportes – Liverpool vs. Manchester United

9 a.m. – – Auxerre vs. Lorient

9 a.m. – – Evian Thonon Gaillard vs. Marseille

9 a.m. – – Lyon vs. Caen

9 a.m. – – Montpellier vs. Ajaccio

9 a.m. – – Valenciennes vs. Nancy

9:30 a.m. – GOLTV – Borussia Dortmund vs. Bayer Leverkusen

10 a.m. – Fox Soccer Channel – Everton vs. Chelsea

10 a.m. – Fox Soccer Plus/ – Sunderland vs. Arsenal

10 a.m. – – Bolton vs. Wigan Athletic

10 a.m. – – Blackburn vs. Queens Park Rangers

10 a.m. – – Fulham vs. Stoke City

10 a.m. – – Swansea City vs. Norwich City

10 a.m. – - Peterborough United vs. West Ham

12 p.m. – Fox Soccer Plus/ – Udinese vs. AC Milan

12 p.m. – – Racing Santander vs. Atletico Madrid

12:20 p.m. – – Blackpool vs. Portsmouth

12:30 p.m. – Fox Soccer Channel – Tottenham vs. Newcastle

1 p.m. – – Brest vs. Dijon

2 p.m. – GOLTV – Osasuna vs. Barcelona

2:45 p.m. – Fox Soccer Channel – Cagliari vs. Palermo

3 p.m. – – Stade Rennes vs. Sochaux

3:30 p.m. – – Benfica vs. Nacional

4 p.m. – stream – USWNT vs. New Zealand

4 p.m. – GOLTV – Real Betis vs. Athletic Bilbao

6 p.m. – Telefutura – Monterrey vs. Chivas de Guadalajara

6 p.m. – Fox Deportes/Azteca America – Jaguares vs. Queretaro

8 p.m. – Telefutura – Pachuca vs. Estudiantes Tecos

8 p.m. – Galavision – San Luis vs. Tigres UANL

10 p.m. – Telefutura – Atlas vs. America

10 p.m. – Galavision – Atlante vs. Toluca

11 p.m. – Fox Soccer Channel – Wellington Phoenix vs. Brisbane Roar

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239 Responses to Soccer Saturday: Your Running Commentary

  1. Mig22 says:

    Handshake time.

  2. Mig22 says:


  3. abc says:

    LOL Suarez and Evra

  4. Mig22 says:

    I’m no ManU fan (understatement) but that was plainly ridiculous. And Evra tried. I suppose we will never know the whole story here but it doesn’t look good for Suarez’s case.

  5. Jon says:

    Suarez is such a troll.

  6. Mig22 says:

    anybody notice that elbow Rio threw on Suarez before he fell on his neck? Nice. I approve.

  7. malkin says:

    lol at Suarez. D0uche. Bag.

  8. Jeff says:

    Eight minutes in it’s obvious that Enrique can’t handle Valencia’s speed. That will eventually mean a goal. I find Liverpool have the means to put a couple in first.

  9. NE Matt says:

    Edu and Bocanegra have both notched assists as Rangers are up 2-1 at the half

  10. abc says:

    Suarez is such a doosh. Rio was going to shake with him but then refused when Suarez didn’t shake with Evra. Good for him.

  11. abc says:

    I’m not sure that’s what happened…
    link to

  12. Citronomics says:

    Nice. Hopefully the start of a great week for our YA.

    And kudos sir for the early morning update.


  13. Citronomics says:


  14. Mig22 says:

    nice vid snag! I still think he tried to clip him with the arm, but he did miss. Suarez certainly turned his head away from the arm.

  15. Jeff says:

    Liverpool will need Bellamy to make something happen in this game. Passes are too tentative and only Suarez can create separation so far and he’s a bit off.

  16. Citronomics says:

    Phew. Reina with the save on Scholes after sharp build up play and pinpoint cross by Giggs.

    Second Jeff’s point we need Bellamy to come on. Downing has contributed nothing on the attack. Henderson should probably exit too.

  17. NE Matt says:

    Always happy to help – Also the kabosh was put on George Johns debut as West Ham’s game was cancelled due to weather, as well as Jonathan Spector and Birmingham’s game.

  18. Παναθηναϊκός says:

    Assist is the new goal.

  19. marco says:

    Can’t see Downing, Spearing or Henderson winning Liverpool this game or any silverware.

  20. Ivan says:

    Poor quality so far; Pool/Manure is never a game for the purists, but, the amount horticulturalism and lumberjackery is appalling. I know I know, both teams hate each other, but how about they play some football, too.

  21. marco says:

    Spearing looks good at times, but then I see old men Giggs and Scholes waltzing past him, and I suspect he has no speed.

  22. Jeff says:

    Daglish needs to demand more sportsmanship and composure from Suarez. Dude is developing a terrible reputation that will get him carded over and over in coming years. He’s incredibly arrogant.

  23. Toumba says:

    I have zero respect for Suarez. I will have zero respect for Liverpool when they come out to defend him and his actions after the game. This is a new low for him but I am sure that Liverpool will follow him down.

  24. deepvalue says:

    Suarez really is petulant, but the nonshake suggests he still believes he is innocent. He’s on an island this game unless Gerrard sneaks forward a bit and provides some help.

  25. Glaring says:

    Fight in the tunnel at Old Trafford, wonder if Suarez was involved?

  26. Keel says:

    You can’t change who you are, and Suarez is an unmitigated piece of shite. I’m a Liverpool fan, but he’s an absolute disgrace to the shirt.

    Actually kinda happy about the goal. Never thought I’d say that….

  27. Mig22 says:

    Well said Keel. As a Chelsea fan, I detest John Terry for being the same variety of shite. He’s a plague and maybe even worse all told than Suarez because he is supposed to be the captain.

  28. deepvalue says:

    Downing not having a great day.

  29. isaf says:

    Liverpool need Dempsey. Can I get a HELL YEAH

  30. Jeff says:

    Has produced much more than Carroll…

  31. Zach says:

    Liverpool has just given up.

  32. JG13 says:

    I’m not quite sure why Darke & Macca are making this a tale of two halves? From the 25th minute on, this has been all United. Liverpool has been using the old “we’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas” approach and just because it didn’t reflect on the scoreboard until the second half, that doesn’t mean they haven’t been owned for 2/3 of the match.

  33. ACS says:

    Williams a CDM-R, Johnson at LB, and Gyau on the bench for Hoffenheim with their new coach at the helm

  34. Jeff says:

    Agreed. They never had the right men on the field to win this one. Now they do, but they have been playing like men already defeated…until the Suarez goal. We’ll see if they can pick it up now.

  35. Mig22 says:

    Well, that’s cool. At least the new coach didn’t come in and bench them all. :)

  36. Jeff says:

    Though they might need to take off Carroll to win. So far, got a block in on the second Suarez attempt and just passed it out of play in the United third.

  37. deepvalue says:

    Carroll is so awkward and lumbering. He is stealing tne Red Sox blind.

  38. Jeff says:

    That’s what you get when you pay 35 million pounds for a guy who had scored a grand total of 14 top-flight goals!

  39. marco says:

    Kenny never gave Liverpool a chance with his selections.

  40. Citronomics says:

    Adding on the fees for Henderson and Downing to the Carroll, Liverpool’s return on investment is far, far away from any reasonable break-even target. Uughhh

  41. deepvalue says:

    Evra just blew whatever points he had won. He’s got his own rough edges.

  42. malkin says:

    It doesn’t look like Ream is even on the bench for bolton

  43. Zach says:

    Evra being a huge jack*as wow.

  44. Matt S says:

    Noticed that, so much for all the talk of him making a debut this week.

  45. Zach says:

    Absolutely. That was freaking shameful.

  46. Jeff says:

    In all seriousness…I understand wanting to rub it in Suarez’s face, but there has to be some sanction for that kind of behavior. Can FA seriously say taking off one’s shirt after a goal is more insidious than that kind of taunting?

  47. jim b says:

    I’ve got no problem with the celebration in front of Suarez. Most neutrals would agree that Suarez brought that on himself with his bitchy and childish attitude before the match and at halftime.

  48. malkin says:

    Yup. Lost the moral high ground with that jack@ssery. Responding in kind, while tempting, is not the best practice.

  49. malkin says:

    Are there links out there to hoffenheim now that first row has been deemed a threat to the security of our homeland?

  50. pete says:

    over the top, but shameful, come on.

  51. timmytwoshoezzz says:

    That pretty much sums up Liverpool through this whole mess, doesn’t it?

  52. dimidri says:

    it hasn’t been deemed that in the EU :) firstrow sports DOT eu

  53. AK says:

    Definitely see them taking action for incitement. That was egregious behavior.

  54. Ted in MN says:

    Is it just me or does Cech need to be coming out there? Nice finish by Pienaar.

  55. Mig22 says:

    He could have come out but I thought, and maybe he did, that Ivanovic was going to close it down.

  56. Jeff says:

    After the game, Dalglish couldn’t bring himself to criticize his player at all. It’s always, ‘I didn’t see it…I stand behind my player.’ He is too forgiving of Suarez’s ridiculous behavior. No leadership there. I am no SAF fan, but at least he admitted that Evra shouldn’t have taunted Suarez. Dalglish needs to at least think of the rest of his squad and not tolerate all this distraction. Or maybe not. I mean, Liverpool is just fine sitting in 7th or 8th as far as I’m concerned.

  57. WendellGee says:

    Howard’s confidence seems quite low these days.

  58. Ted in MN says:

    Landon’s been quiet. Nice hard shot but outside of that…

  59. Kevbo says:

    That’s a funny looking teamsheet.

  60. Ted in MN says:

    and right as I say that, he nutmegs Ashley Cole and keeps the ball alive in the midfield.

  61. Ted in MN says:

    Getting some nice touches in the game but not exactly making a massive impression upon the game

  62. FulhamPete says:

    Dempsey enters beast mode…

  63. kev says:

    I tell ya come summer Dempsey is leaving for a bigger club, either in the CL or a big club currently in the EL. Arsenal or Liverpool if you ask me

  64. WendellGee says:

    Indeed! Though that might go down as a keeper own goal.

  65. malkin says:

    It moves to the left, it moves to the right, that shot from Dempsey made stoke look shite

  66. malkin says:

    Heard the commentators saying it’ll probably be an own goal. What’s the rule on that? I thought it was something along the lines of redirecting on goal, which isn’t the case here. It was a rocket that was moving back and forth…sure he coulda saved it but an own goal?

  67. abc says:

    Dempsey goal, I am declaring this to be officially out of hand. ( pushes red button )

  68. malkin says:

    Did it bounce off the crossbar and come back and hit the keeper?

  69. Michael Stypulkoski says:

    It was an own goal, guys.

  70. malkin says:

    Oops, my bad. I just watched the replay. Own goal after hitting the crossbar.

  71. ManicMessiah says:

    Taking off your shirt is more to do with time wasting than incitement or being over the top. I don’t agree with that either, but that’s why it’s an automatic booking.

    (If you’re referencing a specific incident where the FA said that then my bad.)

  72. Citronomics says:

    Landon with nice pressure on Ashley Cole there to back him up towards his goalbox. Good to see him active in closing down Chelsea

  73. Eddie says:

    Ha. Understatement of the year. He’s terrible.

  74. Eddie says:

    It makes me want to vomit. Overpaying for players because they’re English and young. Could you imagine if Liverpool had left Carroll at Newcastle and signed Ba instead?

  75. Eddie says:

    Completely agree, Jeff. Kenny and Suarez both need to pull their heads out of their asses. No leadership there.

  76. Eric says:

    So I guess I totally missed something. Pinnear is back on Everton. What is it a loan? Bc I dont remember seeing that transfer?

  77. Andy says:


  78. Andy says:

    Yeah it’s a loan until the end of the season.

  79. biff says:

    Danny Williams looking strong at right DM and Fabian Johnson flashes of brilliance at Left Back. Hoffenheim looking much better under the new coach, fighting hard to hold a 1-0 lead in a tough away game against Bremen. Gyau waiting on the bench.

  80. ... says:

    No, it wasn’t. It is NOT an own goal if it hits the crossbar and then goes in off a defending team’s player. I don’t have the link to the rule any more, but this came up in the NY/Philly game in October (Dane Richards goal or Faryd Mondragon own-goal) and it was ruled a Richards goal because it went Richards-crossbar-Mondragon. If the crossbar hadn’t been involved, it would’ve been an own goal.

  81. Brian says:

    Evra is a disgrace. He is such a punk. He was a mutineer at the World Cup and disgraced his national team. He calls the cops when someone calls him names (apparently) and when the man he set the FA, the police and the British press on refuses to shake his hand,….he tries to force it, physically assaulting him. (if I didn’t want to shake someones hand and they tries to force me,…they would lose their arm.). And then he makes a fool out of himself with the ridiculous celebrations after the match. What a classless punk.

  82. Zach says:

    Torres is definitely not Chelsea’s problem. That midfield and defense Ia freaking terrible. Quit longballing it, drogba isn’t playing.

  83. Mig22 says:

    Going to disagree with you on this one, Brian. I’m not a fan of his but in this case, I think it’s important that if someone is slinging racist crap, then you have to call him on it. As for the celebration, I can’t argue with a desire to gloat a bit given the handshake debacle, etc. Like I said above, I don’t think we’ll ever get the full, true story. Just my opinion, admittedly, but I think there are some important things to discuss here, outside of who we root for.

  84. GW says:


    For you to say Donovan is having a good game does that meanhe has to be on fire for 90 minutes covering every blade of grass, making every tackle and every pass and scoring a hat trick?

    Because it’s not likely to happen, in the real world.

  85. Mig22 says:

    yeah, without Drogba up top as a target, they simply can’t send it long. This team is a mess right now, a talented mess, but still a mess. Makes me sad.

  86. Ted in MN says:

    Wow, Landon getting into it with Ivanovic

  87. NF says:

    Evra didn’t find anyone guilty of racism. He didn’t suspend anyone. He simply reported what he believed was an offensive term. Even if you think what Suarez said wasn’t wrong, do you expect Evra to understand the nuances of South American culture? Or do you just think racism should go unreported? And if you believe what Evra did constitutes assault worthy of taking off someone’s arm, then I hope you get locked up sooner rather than later.

  88. Zach says:

    Its all they do. Cech sent the ball long almost 50% of the time today with Everton sitting back. There is no coaching whatsoever, it’s a mess of a team.

  89. Zach says:

    Donovan is known for cheap shots like that. He’s lucky he didn’t get decked.

  90. Ted in MN says:

    I believe I said “Getting some nice touches in the game but not exactly making a massive impression upon the game”. Which would be just about the definition of having a good quiet game. I noted his nice nutmeg
    That is realistic. Though I do like the extremely aggressive overreaction. Its interesting.

  91. john.q says:

    another assist for Donovan. Everton 2-0

  92. Petaluman says:

    Nice pass by Donovan that leads to a goal.

  93. beachbum says:

    goal Everton, Stracqularsi (sp?)…assist Landon

  94. Ted in MN says:

    It wasn’t even that cheap. Ivanovic is holding up Landon as he tries to get around. Is he not expecting him to try at all?

  95. Ted in MN says:

    and another assist. Now that’s making a big impression on the game.

  96. Peter says:

    Hmm. I didn’t know Kenny Dalglish’s middle name was Brian and that he posted on SBI.

  97. Jon says:

    I could certainly get used to watching LD set up beautiful goals like that every Saturday in the EPL. Oh well, we’ll just settle for watching him disappear every once in a while in MLS

  98. Ted in MN says:

    with a name like that its the attempt that counts.

  99. fischy says:

    Donovan did shove Ivanovic in to the boards — kind of a duck move, but a sweet move through the defense and great pass for the assist. I don’t hat Everton’s going to do for offense, when he goes home.

  100. Jeff says:

    Yikes. Heh heh.

  101. Zach says:

    Mor and Cole are not good. Cole couldn’t send in a cross if he tried.

  102. beachbum says:

    ain’t it so :)

  103. fischy says:

    Next time Chelsea play Everton, Cole might decide to skip it. It’s like Everton’s gunning for him…

    50/50, but Neville went in with both feet. Lucky not to get whistled.

  104. beachbum says:

    and off Cole he comes…subbed out at 76′ mark

  105. Zach says:


    The guy is useless.

  106. isaf says:

    Donovan has what, 5 assists so far in the past month he’s been with Everton. wait til he gets that goal. He’s definitely helped the team out.

  107. fischy says:

    First, Donovan breaks his leg, not Neville.

  108. fischy says:

    I menat “now Neville”

  109. Jeff says:

    Really? Because it doesn’t waste any more time than, say, piling on top of the scorer over by the corner flag. Or doing a choreographed dance.

  110. Ted in MN says:

    Nice physical save by Howard

  111. abc says:

    I thought that was Donovan’s 6th assist for Everton?

    And he had that almost assist where he basically created it by getting the ball into Felleini, who missed and then handled the ball to someone else for the goal.

  112. Ted in MN says:

    Not to spoil it but Chelsea’s more likely to get a red card then score by the way this is going

  113. Zach says:

    Would hate to be a Chelsea fan. 3/4 of the team still thinks Drogba is playing and they okay that way. Mata, Torres and lampard seem to be the only people interested in playing as a team and going hard.

  114. Andrew says:

    When will Everton sign Donovan? He’s saving their season for the second time. Doesn’t work to well when Everton’s savior plays for LA.

  115. Brian says:


    Please explain to me what the standards are with respect to Evra’s claim? And tell me where it stops? Tell me what the FA will do,…given the precedent they set with the Suarez ban,…if Suarez claims that Evra called him a bad name (? Fill in the blank with whatever name you think might be offensive) BUT no one heard Evra say it. Is the FA going to ban Evra 8 matches like they did Suarez?

    What Evra did was battery.

    Lastly,… If I call you a Big Girls Blouse (emphasis) are you going to call the cops,..are you going to make a claim that I made a homophobic remark? Or did I call you a big girls blouse?

    What if you call me a “white c@nt”. Should you be arrested and placed on leave from your job? First,…name calling doesn’t bother me. Second, I am white so you would be stating a fact. Third,….at times, like everybody else, I can be a real one. So should John Terry be arrested for calling Anton Ferdinand a “black c@nt”? Is Ferdinand black? Was Terry merely stating a fact? Should someone be arrested for calling someone the c-word?

    For what it is worth,…I don’t support ManU, Liverpool or any other EPL team and I think John Terry is a total yob. So arrest me.

  116. Ryan says:

    Davies on the bench to start the game. Can we hope that Sochaux is down a goal with about 20 to go and Davies gets his shot?

  117. Petaluman says:

    AEG should buy Everton. I’m sure they could afford it.

  118. fischy says:

    Straquolarsi by the Mersey…..

    That was easy.

  119. Ryan says:

    Henry with the game winner in stoppage time for Arsenal. Go RBNY!!!!!!!!

  120. fischy says:

    Stracqualarsi by the Mersey.

    Spelling counts.

  121. NF says:

    I was opposed to these MLS to EPL loans at first, but if nothing else, this has to show people that MLS has some real quality.

  122. Eric says:

    Ahhhh Dempsey just getting robbed by the goal frame today.

  123. Ryan says:

    I was skeptical too but, besides the Omar Gonzo nightmare, Keane, Donovan, Henry have all shown quite well. Let’s hope they bring this intensity back to MLS!

  124. NF says:

    I never said the FA’s decision was correct. That’s another issue entirely. My point is that Evra tried to be classy by shaking Suarez’s hand, and Suarez was incredibly immature.

    If he has an issue, he should have appealed the FA’s decision. Even Suarez admitted he used the Spanish word negro, so it comes down to whether that is offensive. The FA reached its decision after a long investigation. If you study the history of how words have been used to dehumanize certain groups of people and justify terrible actions, you might have a different view or racial slurs.

  125. Ted in MN says:

    Apparently, Robbie Findley blew one hell of a chance in stoppage time to get the win for Nottingham Forest. He’s close to on his way out.

  126. BrianK says:


    That is my point!!! Evra has no class!!! His bullsh!t actions,…just like his mutiny in South Africa, caused damaged to one or many people. From Suarez’s perspective,…his reputation was damaged, he lost eight weeks wages and he was subjected to tremendous torment by the English press. Why would he want to shake Evra’s hand? Who would after that. Good for Suarez for refusing that disingenuous punk.

    What concerns me the most about this entire situation is the sheep like response from so many people,….posters on this board, soccer commentators, people in the press (Grant Wahl for example). People just don’t think these things through. England is on a VERY slippery slope with all of this.

  127. Judging Amy says:

    PL match report lists it as an own goal. Perhaps they’ll revise after reviewing tho.

    link to

  128. Tom says:

    porque tu eres negro

  129. BrianK says:


    You just implied that I am uneducated (despite my numerous professional certifications, B.S., MBA and JD). I am offended. I want you arrested and docked eight weeks wages for your statements.

    Being Irish I am well aware of racism and offensive words,…but goodness, I don’t let words bother me. Does anyone remember the old saying,…sticks and stones may break my bones BUT words will never hurt me (unless I am Patrice Evra, of course).

    While you are on your high and mighty ‘go get yourself an education’ box can you please,…in an intelligent and coherent way, explain the double standard with respect to the use of the N-word. And you can’t use the old and very lame,…it’s just black people taking control of the word, explanation. Why would a Hispanic guy be arrested/tormented/deprived of earning a living for using the N-word on a soccer field but a black guy could walk into a dressing room and look at his black teammate and shout “Whaaaaaat’s up N-word?” and everything is cool.

  130. BrianK says:


    His contributions to the team’s performance during the loan go WAY beyond his assists. LD has been a HUGE asset to the team all over the field,…on and off the ball.

  131. CrispyST3 says:

    Wait wat was de gea trying to do? Was he trying to force suarez to shake evra’s hand?

  132. deepvalue says:

    Spurs en Fuego! Go ahead Harry evade taxes if you want to.

  133. Jamie Z. says:

    Holy cow. Why couldn’t Saha play like that for Everton?

  134. zeed says:

    Was doing a search to find a video of the Suarez-Evra non-handshake and this homemade video from the October 2011 Liverpool-Man U game popped up. Beginning at the 1:10 mark it shows Suarez and Evra going for the ball. Suarez beats Evra and then Evra falls to the ground and looks in great pain, but it does not appear that Suarez touches him. Weird.

    link to

  135. BrianK says:

    Nothing. Just what I expected from the sheep.

  136. Rob says:

    Nice to see Charlie Davies dressing for Sochaux today. And apparently Morales had a horrible time of it for Hertha as he was subbed off at the half, down 0-4.

  137. ben in el cajon says:

    BrianK, if you are a lawyer, you should understand that laws are contextual, set by local governments. So arguing about British laws concerning “racial abuse” based on U.S. subculture slang is kind of useless.

    As for insults, there is a difference–and I suspect this is a universally held distinction–between insults based on an individual and those based on an individual’s group identity. Implying that someone is under-informed is far less insulting, and threatening, than naming someone an insulting word for Irish.
    Finally, on a simple human level, when someone says, “you insulted me,” the right answer is never, “no I didn’t, you’re just stupid.” A sane adult should never be defended for acting a Suarez has acted in this situation.

  138. BrianK says:


    All I ask is that responses be coherent. Not a lot to ask.

    Try again.

  139. Vic says:

    Surprising for such a clinical finisher.

  140. clearly you dont know as mush as you think you know about black people and why it is beyond offensive to be called a negro by anyone because of what our race went through during times of enslavement and beyond. Your beng naive if you think the FA didn’t have enough evidence/probable cause to suspend suarez for the amout of time that it did. Multiple sources put out the script of what was said between the 2 players on the pitch and i refuse to believe that everyone is wrong in what was precieved to have happened. As it was said, uruguyans may use the term frequently to refer to blacks in their country but when you’re living or playing abroad, one has to curtail his what is custom to him to the laws and customs of his new environment, which brings me back to why some black people call each the n-word. we know our history with the n-word by those who oppressed us but for whatever reason it may seem customary or accepted in inner city and urban environments for blacks to refer to other other blacks as such without there being any ill will meant by it. Not all black people use the term obviously, but its just one of those things. However, to let anyone outside of the black community to refer to someone black as a negro or n$$$er is unacceptable and offensive. Suarez knew he was inciting Evra when he coined the phrase, “porque tu eres negro”! I’m surprised evra wanted to even shake that racists’ hand but i have no problem with his celebratory antics after the match.

  141. travis says:

    I see your Fox News, reverse racism rant is back again. Clearly you have no comprehension of the social dominance theory. Calling someone a cracker is not the same as calling someone the N word because there is virtually no history of white oppression by blacks so it’s just not equal whether you like it or not.
    As bad as it was to be Irish (as you say you are) in America in the early 1900s, it was still far worse to be black in America. Get over yourself.

  142. Ted in MN says:

    Charlie is in!
    draws a foul running up the right side

  143. phlub says:

    and CD9/12 on the pitch as a late sub. sochaux putting on late pressure.

  144. Ted in MN says:

    Davies gets a long ball over the top, beats his marker but fluffs the shot way high.

  145. Rob says:

    Warms a chaps heart to see Davies back on the pitch in Europe.

  146. AK says:

    CD is on the pitch!

  147. Ted in MN says:

    Not much service for CD. Really just the one time over the top and that wasn’t exactly a sitter.

  148. JS says:

    Even so…He created the goal. It was a hell of a shot.

  149. GW says:

    “Which would be just about the definition of having a good quiet game.”

    Nowhere in your previous posts did you say he was having a good game until just now.

    The fact is a player needs only to a few minutes or so to have a very positive impact on the game. It’s the nature of the sport.

    Donovan’s loan spell to this point has been a master class by Moyes in terms of how to get the most out of short term loan

  150. PD says:

    Actually P-man, that is probably the more likely scenarioAEG buying controlling rights to Everton rather than Everton shelling out 10 mill for LD. Sometimes money sucks.

    it is a win-won for LD, he’s around long enough to make a positive impact but not so long that he falls into a slump or anything. He’s kinda like the uncle that visits once a year and spoils your kids rotten but his own family is like, “eh his feet smell and he never takes out the garabge at home”.

  151. PD says:

    If you are referring to LD or even CLint Dempsey I agree. if you are referring to Henry then I think you are giving MLS a little more credit for his greatness than is actually deserved.

    Don’t get me wrong, MLS is a great league, but they did not “make” Thierry Henry.

  152. Ted in MN says:

    What exactly does good touch mean to you? or for that matter complimenting his nutmeg?
    Just because I don’t use the phrase “good game” doesn’t mean I am for some reason whining. There is a very large gap between how you are reading what I have written and how most people would interpret it.
    I’ll be honest, at this point you really are just being pedantic.

  153. pd says:

    he’s playing. that’s a start!

  154. Ted in MN says:

    Rennes isn’t exactly the easiest of Ligue 1 pickings either. Nice to seem him running around in France again.

  155. ben in el cajon says:


    I wrote a long response explaining my comments again, but it didn’t post somehow. However, others have done a better job than I could answering your implied arguments.

    I will agree that Evra should not have grabbed Suarez’s arm.

    There’s a time when it is clear that someone will never be civil. At that moment, it is best to ignore him if you can, or fight if you must.

  156. BrianK says:

    Clearly, I “don’t know as mush” as I think.

  157. Brian says:

    Are you really faulting Evra for reporting Suarez for making a racist taunts/remarks? Evra is a punk and he showed that at the World Cup and today, but he totally has the right to complain if someone is making racist remarks toward him.

  158. Rick says:

    BK, way to show your immaturity and lack of intelligence with that reply.

  159. Mhat says:

    Your previous arguments start to lose any weight they may have had when you resort to pointing out spelling errors. And I would hardly classify Evra’s reaction to the handshake snub as battery.

    Secondly, I believe that both Suarez and Evra are classless idiots.

  160. Mhat says:

    The real question is if this was a good thing, because you forgot to mention that.

    The fact is, a player needs to get into it sometimes. 😉

  161. Shounen Bat says:

    Who is this U.K. announcer on Gol TV? He is seriously the worst ever. I would rather have Harkes, no joke. His never-ending Barcelona-ballsucking is the most irritating and biased announcing I have ever heard. Surely Gol TV can do better than this f*cktard.

  162. Peter says:

    It’s ray hudson. He is openly rooting for Barcelona. It’s pathetic.

  163. Alex G says:

    Clearly you don´t have a clue about Latinos or their culture, I know that we are not biased against any people, including black people, this thing is getting out of proportion, because as you said before negro is not an insult in these countries, he may or may not had said it, but it is what it is, latinos are every single day mistreated by whites and blacks across the US because they believe they are not american enough, even though they have been in the US for generations and contributed to the US culture, with their blood and work, so, where´s the equality?. It may not be the same in the UK, but I believe if he didn´t want to shake someone hand, let him be, who cares?, it was classless of Evra to celebrate that way and I consider that an insult as well, the solutions is to ban all forms of racism anywhere, but we as humans have preferences, the problem is when you insult somebody with yours, being white, black, brown or whatever.

  164. Alex G says:

    Barcemoda is phatetic.

  165. Alex G says:

    I’m with you on that one.

  166. AK says:

    Simply inexcusable. Osasuna ball boy refused to give Barcelona the ball for a corner kick!

  167. Peter says:

    Ray Hudson is the worst. He is about to cry.

  168. Shounen Bat says:

    He needs to be replaced. What a pathetic tool. I remember last week when he was commentating the Barcelona match, the other commentator said something to the effect of, “If there were no Barca, [the other team’s] coach would be a shoo-in for coach of the year.” Hudson replied, and I quote, “Yea, but if there were no Barcelona, why would you get up in the morning?” Seriously, this guy is insinuating that if there were no Barcelona we might as well just kill ourselves. These kind of fanboys are the reason I find Barca so irritating. That they can act as a commentator for Barca matches is a travesty.

  169. Turgid Jacobian says:

    Definitely didn’t make him, but the active players currently in a league is a good measure of its quality. Don’t get me wrong, the quality of players developed in a league is also a good measure of its quality.

  170. Shounen Bat says:

    He squealed like he was getting Woolly mammoth f*cked when that last header by Barca didn’t go in.

  171. AcidBurn says:

    How about his “uhhhh” in disgust when Barca flubs a pass?

    I get Hudson’s enthusiasm, but his kneeling at the altar of Barca gets to be too much after a while.

  172. AcidBurn says:

    I would pay to watch Special One give a “love tap” to Hudson when RM gets the la liga trophy.

  173. Peter says:

    I agree. That was terrible announcing at the end. Groans of displeasure whenever Osasuna would make a clearance. Goltv is a joke with those two announcers. And at the end, Ray Hudson blaming the weather for Barcelona’s loss and not the effort of Osasuna. Give me a break.

  174. Peter says:

    I hope Ray Hudson has the will to live on since barcelona look likely to lose la liga

  175. Brett says:

    Central and South American Latinos are some of the most racist people in the entire world…

  176. John says:

    Charlie Davies came off the bench in France in a losing effort. Report says he shot over in the 89th minute.

  177. David says:

    Could the ref yellow card a player such a Suarez for unsporting behavior, prior to kick off?

  178. SriKrishnamurti says:

    Sir AlexF says Luis Suarez could’ve caused a riot. Who is the Scot kidding? We all know this Scottish football fan/manager walks into the football stadium hoping there will be a good riot to begin with.He was probably hoping ManU would draw Real Madrid, just for the possibility for putting the special one in his place should he try his eye-poking ways.

  179. Phalluster says:

    I hope that someday black players will stop crying to the authorities when someone calls them names. What’s next, bans for sideways glances? Fans can’t jeer a visiting player if he doesn’t look exactly like them? Bloo bloo bloo but the history of oppression! Oh please, they’re all millionaires on the pitch.

  180. Peter says:

    smells like a troll

  181. BoC says:

    Charlie Davies on as a late sub for Sochaux!!!! If he is ever the same player for club and country again who knows, but I am excited for him personally as he must be over the moon to be back on the field in Ligue 1. (No offense MLS but lets just be honest here)

  182. This Guy says:

    Interesting how Suarez came off at the end of the match as the more sportsmanlike. Evra has a history of douchebaggery.

  183. This Guy says:

    Saurez showed class throughout. Only he and Evra know if racial slurs were used previously and if innocent, Suarez did exactly what I would have done. Accuse me of racism when it’s not true, I’m wouldn’t shake his hand either. What Evra did was classless. Suarez didn’t do anything at halftime. The tunnel fight was between Reina and Evra at the half.

  184. T says:

    You are definently trolling, I mean you have to be trolling or you are a complet fool.

  185. Michael Stypulkoski says:

    Keep telling yourself that, it’s not going to change the fact that Dempsey doesn’t get credit for it.

  186. This Guy says:

    It’s not racism. Suarez said a term used affectionately in Uruguay towards black Uruguayans. He calls Glenn Johnson by that name too. This whole situation has been blown up to be bigger than it is.

  187. BrianK says:

    Alex G,

    You are missing Ronnie’s point,…only black people can truly understand what racism and hatred are because of their unique historical experience. The rest of us in this world, as Travis stated,…just have to get over ourselves.

    No worries though,…we will all be living in a better world now that John Terry has been stripped of his England Captaincy and is likely to be convicted of a crime,….for calling a black man black.

    This is truly a sad state of affairs. It’s time to get back to soccer.

  188. This Guy says:

    The problem here is that you’ve used reason which is unacceptable when debating racism. Suarez was only allowed to address Patrice Evra as Mr. Evra (as long as he is not transgender) or Mr. Left Back (as long as he has checked every racial incident in history to ensure that “Left Back” has not been used as a racist term).

  189. This Guy says:

    Enlighten me. What oppression have you been through?

  190. hogatroge says:

    Since you’re Irish, those degrees must be:

    Bachelor of Spirits
    Master of Beer & Alcohol
    Jameson Doctor

  191. hogatroge says:

    He’s scoring at a pace more or else equal to that in MLS. He has some of the best midfielders in MLS giving him service as well, despite the fact that RBNY can’t seem to get it together on D.

    That speaks to the quality of the opposition he’s facing.

  192. hogatroge says:

    Was it as bad as the sitter he skied a few weeks ago?

  193. hogatroge says:

    Barcemoda… nice. I’m assuming you didn’t come up with that on your own, though?

  194. hogatroge says:

    Shaped like a phallu…er, troll, too!

  195. Jeff says:

    Neither of them could be mistaken for good sports by the time they went down the tunnel after game’s end. Fans of Liverpool and United will say whatever they will, but I think this much is obvious to the rest of us. But in any case, I don’t think anyone but Liverpool supporters see Suarez as a victim here.

  196. Jeff says:

    Don’t think Suarez is any stranger to that kind of behavior either.

  197. hogatroge says:

    I saw that scoreline with Morales at half. Nicht bueno.

  198. BrianK says:


  199. marco says:

    It is exactly the same as saying ‘black’ in English. But I don’t know the context.

  200. marco says:

    Anything over one yard out is an adventure.

  201. Wm. says:

    Or the non-shake can suggest that he feels superior. People do awful things to others all of the time and find ways to justify their behaviors. Who knows what’s going on in Suarez’ head.

  202. Wm. says:

    Point to Travis.

  203. BrianK says:

    No,….I am wondering if Patrice Evra shook Raymond Domnech’s hand before he stabbed him in the back.

  204. Jeff says:

    It’s sad that people actually believe what they are saying on this board. Not sure how anyone could think it’s OK to call someone a disparaging racially charged name during an argument (sorry, he wasn’t trying to buddy up during an argument on the field). It was done to get in Evra’s head, and out of ignorance and lack of perspective on Suarez’s part. Plain and simple. And to then be so defiant and unapologetic underlines his ignorance and points to his arrogance. Evra reacted poorly to all of it, but there’s no defense for Suarez’s actions.

  205. ... says:

    You made me hunt down the link. Here. This is why MLS changed the Mondragon own-goal to a Richards goal:

    FIFA says “Shots that… rebound from the goalframe and bounce of a defender or goalkeeper are not considered as own goals”.

    link to

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    So, whether or not it’s been credited to Dempsey, I will keep telling myself that it’s a goal. And you can keep telling yourself that it’s an own goal. And we can both be happy.

  206. Ted says:

    i don’t think you really understand racism…

  207. BrianK says:


    I never stated anything like this – “Not sure how anyone could think it’s OK to call someone a disparaging racially charged name during an argument (sorry, he wasn’t trying to buddy up during an argument on the field).”

    What I continue to point out or otherwise ask is,…what are the standards and how do you enforce them? Are they going to be applied fairly in defense of all people or simply to a select class of people?

    What does the FA do in the future when similar Suarez/Evra circumstances arise,….a player claims that he was racially abused on the field but no one else hears it. Is the FA automatically going to apply the eight match ban?

    What about Terry/Ferdinand? If I read Terry’s lips properly in the video clip it looks like he said, “…you black c^nt.” So what does the court do when John Terry’s legal counsel points out to the court that Anton Ferdinand is, in fact, black. Is he going to be done for calling Ferdinand a c^nt?

    Funny thing is that when this all developed initially and Suarez was banned, I noted on this board that the FA had opened pandoras box. Now we get this nonsense today because Lius Suarez exercised his right as a man not to shake Evra’s hand. Now Suarez is getting pummeled again. John Terry has been stripped of his captaincy and will most likely lose his place on the England team (good riddance!) and Fabio Capello has resigned. And the Terry affair is still not resolved! I submit to you that this is going to go on and on and spin wildly out of control and make matters much, much worse. The backlash is going to be awful.

    Again,…standards. How can you know what every player is saying on the field during a ninety minute game? How do you judge what is offensive? What is the standard? Does it apply to blacks, whites, homosexuals, bi-sexuals, faiths,….where does it stop? What if players start inventing code words for slurs? Think this is a crazy concept? Go to Boston and ask a cop what a Canadian is? I assure you it is not the maple leaf hockey playing kind. But if he was in court the cop would simply say ” I called him/her a Canadian. What is the problem?” Pandoras box.

  208. Brian says:

    Suarez is a racist d*ckhead. lemme guess either your from Uruguay or a Liverpoolfan. lol

  209. Northzax says:

    Because in the UK, racism is actually illegal. There is no first amendment, there is no ‘freedom of speech’. And Suarez exercised his right as a man to collect a paycheck from an company who’s rules specify shaking hands before work. He knew the rules, he cashed the check (I assume) and shook with everyone else. So obviously he doesn’t object to the requirement as a rule, just with some people.

  210. GW says:

    “Just because I don’t use the phrase “good game” doesn’t mean I am for some reason whining.”

    Of course it does. Though I would not say whining.

    The entire tone of your posts prior to the last two is condescending, patronizing, amd somewhat dismissive, as if you were too cool to be impressed by what LD has done.

    Therefore you have to take that tone.

    It seems you do not wish to be seen as actually appreciating how difficult it is to do what Donovan and Moyes together are doing right now.

    “.Landon’s been quiet. Nice hard shot but outside of that…”

    “and right as I say that, he nutmegs Ashley Cole and keeps the ball alive in the midfield.”

    “Getting some nice touches in the game but not exactly making a massive impression upon the game”

    I’m not a big fan of Donovan. My favorite USMNT player is Frankie Hejduk.

    But I can tell you this, you Americans don’t appreciate how exceptional and unique a player he really is. He’s not the most skilled player in the world nor the most physicially gifted but those two aspects are the least of it. There is so much more to being an exceptional player.

    LD is just beginning to demonstrate that he understands that. I think you all write him off a little too early.

  211. This Guy says:

    They’ll never get it. It’s pointless to continue with reason on this forum.

  212. abc says:

    Why would MLS be offended? They had him last year and decided not to keep him.

  213. SilverRey says:

    just ask LD

  214. MicahK says:

    Do not be a ignorant racist you punk.

  215. soccerhorn says:

    Absolutely. The referee’s jurisdiction goes from the moment he enters the pitch to the moment he leaves it.

  216. Syd says:

    The buck-toothed a-hole does it again….

  217. Mook says:

    wasnt good enough for MLS…no offense

  218. MikeR says:

    How many Flops/Dives?

  219. Ken says:

    USA’s savior plays in LA…Like I would say to eurosnob Wynalda…get over it

  220. Alex G says:

    Whatever man, you just don´t know what you are talking about, by the way, Mexico is in north america.

  221. Ted in MN says:

    you’re reading too much into 2 compliments and a meh.

  222. Alex G says:

    I´m just trying to be fair, only Irish people know about hate crimes in Ireland, black people know their stuff, and latinos the same. Suarez actually tried to shake Evra´s hand and he avoided him, before he could get a chance, as certain footage shows (Suarez brother footage actually). I think both of them are wrong, if it´s true.

    People need to understand that if a racist act is true then it should be punished, but if it isn´t we also need to protect the innocent, or at least be fair, I´m not trying to understand black people racism, and frankly I don´t pretend to do it, but it is sad.

  223. Alex G says:

    Agree and Evra is using the victim card.

  224. Kenny_B says:

    Here, here. The man has been torched in most of the posts today. Not too many people seem to have considered this possibility. I wouldn’t have shaken Evra’s hand either had I really felt innocent and been suspended 8 games.

  225. Kenny_B says:

    Well said. England isn’t on the slope any more. They fell.

  226. Kenny_B says:

    Try checking out the oppression of the Irish in Ireland.

  227. Kenny_B says:

    Is it actually a rule? Or is it a custom? What happened to the rule at QPR-Chelsea?

  228. BrianK says:

    Thanks for the advice, but one last note on this mess:

    From Gordon Taylor, Head of the PFA:

    “if we have a situation where nobody accepts the findings of hearings and just carries on regardless, all you get is anarchy.

    Now the Football Association have to step in because the whole situation has gone too far. Suárez had a chance to put everything to bed yesterday, in front of a worldwide audience. The fact that he chose not to is, quite frankly, depressing.”

    Exactly Gordon,….you buffoon! If you did not see this coming months ago then you should resign from your post. I love the part about the FA having to step in,…as if they weren’t the architects of this mess.

  229. Curtis says:

    Ya it was a loan on transfer deadline day

  230. Phalluster says:

    I agree. Being black is one of the worst fates in any era. Lots of innate obstacles to work through.

  231. Brent McD says:


  232. GW says:

    “Getting some nice touches in the game but not exactly making a massive impression upon the game”

    This is called “damming with faint praise”

  233. Nic D "the TX 2 Stepper" says:

    I can’t believe you are this THICK (insult intended – arrest me – nevermind – you don’t believe in that)



    If/when harm is done …

    1. Own it. Avoid Denial.
    2. Make it right within your ability to heal/repair relationships/property/etc.
    3. Avoid the same/other harmful behavior