Rangers voted into Scotland’s fourth tier

Rangers (Reuters Pictures)

Rangers' climb back to the top of Scottish soccer will start at an unprecedented low.

After a vote conducted by 30 Scottish Football League clubs, Rangers will be playing in Division Three — the country's fourth tier — as it starts its rebirth as a new company following the financial turmoil that forced the club into administration and out of the Premier League. Dunfermline or Dundee will replace Rangers in the country's top flight, and 25 of the 30 clubs voted for Rangers to be placed in Division Three, according to the BBC.

The club is already facing a mass exodus of players despite new owner Charles Green's assertion that they are not free to go elsewhere just yet. For Americans Carlos Bocanegra, Maurice Edu and Alejandro Bedoya, the ruling accelerates their urgency to find better playing situations. All have been linked with moves away from the club, something that seems like a certainty now given Friday's vote.

What do you think of this development? Can you see any of the three U.S. internationals staying at Rangers now?

Share your thoughts below.

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106 Responses to Rangers voted into Scotland’s fourth tier

  1. Lost in Space says:

    Get out as fast as you can boys. It’ll be a minimum of 4 years before they can assend to SPL’s first division….and even then the quality of opponents, besides Celtic, is poor. Would like to see all 3 end up in France, Germany, or England.

  2. THomas says:

    The SPL is low enough competitively already, but I’d have to think the NASL is about equal to the Scottish 3rd division, so I can’t imagine what the 4th division would be. Pub teams?

    Plus isn’t the team’s debt only (I use that relatively to bigger clubs like Man U) about $30 million or so? With their potential and history I can’t believe somebody hasn’t rescued them out of this crisis.

  3. Eurosnob says:

    I am not a Rangers supporter, but I wonder if Scottish football is committing a suicide? SPL’s sponsors will pull out of their deals knowing that there will be no Rangers (and their thousands of fans) in the top division for several years. The Scottish FA should have moved the Rangers down for a year like Italians did with some of the top teams that were engaged in match fixing (which I think is a more serious offense to the integrity of the game than overspending on players). And unless Rangers can file the paperwork and be admitted to one of the English leagues, Boca, Edu and Bedoya should be looking to move to another club.

  4. Fitba says:

    I’ve always had a soft spot for this league, and this is gutting. This is going to kill Scottish football.

  5. Ryan says:

    Agreed. I have only a passing interest in the SPL, but I can’t help but view this move as completely ill-advised. For most, this move will effectively render Scottish football irrelevant. It’s hard to understand why the other clubs thought it was in their own best interests to vote Rangers down to the 4th tier, and one has to wonder if they even bothered to consider the implications to Rangers’ roster of players. It’s shameful to me. And it will take a very, very long time for Scottish football to recover. All involved should have acted to mitigate the damage. Instead, they’ve exacerbated the damage to nth degree and all will suffer.

  6. gmonsoon43 says:

    I don’t know how the club thinks it still has rights to the players. Their contracts were with the former Rangers and this team is a new entity.

  7. THomas says:

    After thinking about it…Rangers should just say eff it and try to get into the EPL and if Scottish football as a whole were smart they’d do the same thing. Look at Swansea, you’re telling me Rangers and Celtic wouldn’t add to the declining EPL. They’re losing ground to La Liga every year, this would be a good step.

  8. liberoo says:

    Wow. You’re absolutely right. I thought putting them in the 3rd tier sounded like cutting off your nose to spite your face, but this seems more like cutting off your head to spite your face. Hard to imagine how much damage this does to the league when it already had only two top teams….

  9. KevDC says:

    The whole thing is very sad. The SPL has (along with the old Rangers management) made itself irrelevant…possibly forever.

  10. The Imperative Voice says:

    By doing what, physically moving to England, etc.?

    People act like they’re bign unfairly treated and are owed TV bucks, etc. The team had the TV bucks and went massively broke. Technically it doesn’t even exist anymore. To avoid their creditors they dismantled. So they should be treated like a new team.

  11. Span16 says:

    Spl has been irrelevant for years…a two team league playing lousy football. Celtic and Rangers feature average (at best) professionals while the rest of the teams have a kick and chase mentality straight out of 1980’s England. There is simply nothing interesting here outside of the religious bickering between the two main teams.

    . The three players in question should’ve never gone to Scotland in the first place. Now, they should get out and go play anywhere else….Europe or MLS.

  12. AFC4life says:

    Arbroath FC > Rangers FC

  13. CSD says:

    This makes me laugh.

    The teams in the Rangers new division must be excited. It will be like all their seasons will have at least two memorable cup matches. It will be an exciting year for their 1000 or so supporters.

  14. allouez86 says:

    So, um, they should go to another team?

  15. CSD says:

    With their huge debts and lack of financial constraints it would make me laugh harder if Madrid and Barcelona end up in the Tercera División in Spain one day. After years of screwing the other clubs out of revenue streams that would be some nice justice.

  16. ManicMessiah says:

    Rangers are what amounts a new club, so they probably should start out that low. I’m just amazed that a Football Association managed to do the right thing even while it flies in the face of their own self interest.

    Unless of course they did it out of any kind of spite or bitterness. It really is a fascinating decision.

  17. Oliver F says:

    Welcome to Canada….Edu back to TFC???

  18. Vic says:

    So ruining the league and make millions of innocent fans suffer is the right thing?

  19. solles says:

    saw a graphic that showed comparative attendances in the Scottish third division… Rangers draw 46K plus, the next highest attended club drew less than 700. Have to think this will be good for all those little clubs Rangers will play over the next few years, they’ll be getting cash that they could only dream about before.

  20. Jeff says:

    The fans have definitely been left out of the equation here. Not to mention the league loses some of its best talent. They likely won’t come back, and others will be leery about signing for an SPL team after this mess. Quality of play drops even further and it may even have an effect on Celtic, although they’d seem to have the inside track to Europe each and every year, so maybe they benefit in a way too.

  21. Ezra says:

    Finally someone speaking some sense. Did any of these people saying not having the Rangers will kill the SPL even watch any games not involving either of the Glasgow teams?

    I hope that this will be a catalyst for Scottish football to change directions and concentrate on developing young players. That is what would be best for Scottish football, not keeping the Celtic-Rangers rivalry alive at any cost.

  22. Ezra says:

    Both teams would gladly join the EPL, but the EPL won’t have them.

  23. KevDC says:

    You’re missing the point; it was only the Old Firm that non-Scots paid any attention to at all…making them at least a little bit relevant. With that gone it’s not anymore.

    I stand by my comment.

  24. liltommyj says:

    This will help Celtic so much. They will literally walk through the league and they can concentrate on Europe. The Old Firm derby was only good for a few million quid that can be replaced by Celtic qualifying for the CL and maybe getting out of the CL group stage.

  25. Ezra says:

    But if the only thing that is relevant about the SPL is the Glasgow derby, what’s the point in having the league at all? The two teams could both just leave the SPL and play each other every week, surely that would be more relevant than having to play against the other 10 teams in the SPL.

  26. Helium-3 says:

    Is there anything stopping Rangers from forming a new league? SFA ? Have the youth team players play in the 3rd division, and enter the 1st team in MLS/NASL until they reach promotion back to SPL ?

    Sounds crazy? Glasgow is only 6 hrs from northeastern US cities.

  27. omg says:

    This is just crap. 4 years until they are back in the SPL. By then the SPL will be as competitive as the league in Estonia. Scots made a huge mistake.

    Carlos should head back to a French club

  28. McQ says:

    The vote was overwhelming with virtualy every team voting against them. Rangers have historically behaved wih an arrogance which I am sure won them no friends in the league. You need to realize that they basically cheated for the past 3 years buying championships while thier competitors struggle to make due with what they could get by on and in some cases got relegated. While it may seem shortsighted for the league, it was probably the right decision. As many point out, the league is already virtually irrelevant but there is no escape plan for Celtic (or Rangers) they have a better chance of getting into MLS than the Prem for a number of reasons none of which are based on thier abilities to compete.

  29. kevdflb says:

    Because they Aren’t being voted down.
    Newco Rangers is a new legal entity.
    It isn’t Rangers FC.
    They are being voted Up Into the Scottish 4th level from non-existance – which is unprecedented, normally clubs need to have 3 years of history to be considered to join the SFL.
    I think allowing them into the 3rd division is a reasonable compromise considering they have they already have the 3rd largest stadium in Scotland and a couple million supporters

    Ultimately, I think it is good for the sport in Scotland if there is at least some temporary reduction in the dominance of the Old Firm.

    Also, every level Newco Rangers play at will see sell outs and much much more money coming in. First in the third, then second, then first divisions.
    That will only help the game north of the border.

  30. kevdflb says:

    4 memorable matches.
    The third division has 10 teams and they all play each other 4 times.

    The third division teams must be elated.

  31. the old grey mullet says:

    Rangers’ player contracts were purchased by the new owner, so, they still have those rights. That said, they can’t afford the wages. Couldn’t all of their top players go on loan for 3 years, and then another club (say Sunderland, etc) would pay Edu’s wages for that time. Then, when RFC was back in the top flight, they could recall the loans and then still ‘own’ the players, able to have them play or make money by transferring them.

    Seems the obvious choice, but, maybe that option is not open to them; not sure of the rules they are under currently.

  32. kevdflb says:

    IF either team were even allowed to join the English league pyramid system (highly doubtful) they would be starting in the ninth level, not the premier league.

  33. Annelid Gustator says:

    Do you think Rangers continues to draw 46k, playing in the 4th level competition? Not having games against Celtic except maybe (if they do real well) cup games?
    No way they can continue to afford most of their players do they have to trade a bunch (at a discount) for cash and/or downgrades… who’s to say they even do so well in the lower divisions immediately?

  34. AdamFromMich says:

    Wouldn’t the Rangers’ debts also have been “purchased by the new owner”? I don’t see how the owner can get one (players) without the other (debt).

  35. db says:

    their new logo says RANGERS 2012. guess they shouldnt have spent all that money huh? GO CELTIC. i hope the rangers have fun playin on teams that the people come straight from the farm to play.

  36. chupacabra says:

    I think you got your numbers backwards – should be a kick and chase mentality straight out of 1890s England.

  37. db says:

    wow that was the smartest comment on here. well said sir.

  38. Yusef says:

    The SPL might as well pack up shop. With Rangers down, every club in the league loses money from sponsorship, gate receipts, television etc. They thought a Great Britain Olympic team would end the sovereignty of the FA? how about not having a league?

  39. Seriously says:

    Until their easy Euro berth is removed because the SPL is deemed to crap of a league to deserve one and they have to fight for one through the lengthy qualifiers like other crap leagues in Europe do.

  40. Louis Z says:

    I wonder where are boys will be going…BOCA has many contacts in France maybe that is where he is going to land, Edu might get to be in EPL division 2. Bedoya? I have no idea where this kid may end up, at least he is young enough where he can bounce back with a good showing, BOCA is limited in his choices, wouldn’t surprise me if he comes home to MLS. Of course, I’m just speculating.

  41. curmudgeon says:

    Your response is one giant non-sequitur.

  42. ThaDeuce says:

    Well, Bedoya could finally get some playing time in a Rangers jersey!

  43. Louis Z says:

    I wonder where are boys will be going…BOCA has many contacts in France maybe that is where he is going to land, Edu might get to be in EPL division 2. Bedoya? I have no idea where this kid may end up, at least he is young enough where he can bounce back with a good showing, BOCA is limited in his choices, wouldn’t surprise me if he comes home to MLS. Of course, I’m just speculating.

  44. b says:

    They should just move into the England soccer pyramid, like Swansea City.
    The other Scottish clubs have shown them exactly what they think of them and their value to the SPL.

  45. Wendell Gee says:

    I don’t know. This makes the league a lot more interesting if you ask me. Does 2ndplace still qualify for the Champions League? If so, all the other clubs will finally have a shot at that.

  46. Vic says:

    Sun of Scotland is reporting that Olympiakos is one of the clubs interested in Bocanegra.

  47. Jim says:

    Just for the record, the head of the Scottish Premier League AND the head of the Scottish FA support the creation of an SPL-2. It would include Rangers, and then invite the other teams in the SFL 1st Division. Now getting this to actually happen will require a lot of convincing, but this isn’t over just yet.

    As far as people asking why Rangers weren’t saved by a new owner given their potential earnings, it’s because HMRC (gov’t tax authorities) wouldn’t agree to any plan that involved someone taking over Rangers. Mainly because they want a full criminal investigation. Also, the estimated tax debt ALONE could have been over £100 million.

    Personally, I agree with today’s decision. The fundamental fact is that Rangers that played for all those years don’t EXIST anymore. Sure, I feel bad for their fans in the same way that I feel bad for basketball fans in Seattle. But there have to be repercussions for club’s actions. And if this decimates Scottish football, then so be it. It’s ridiculous that a country that small has 4 professional divisions anyway.

  48. adam says:

    You’re a soccer nerd, bro… most people aren’t operating on that level. This is really bad for the league and their sponsors.

  49. solles says:

    did say i thought theyd continue to draw 46k, just pointing out the gulf in the size of the clubs, though I suspect the support won’t drop off as much as many are predicting. have no idea about player movement, obviously they’ll have a dramatically different playing staff if not this year then soon. Even so I think they’d be ale to walk up the divisions, even if their support is halved (which I doubt) they’ll still have resources no one else in any of the bottom divisions can come close to.

  50. dan says:

    Wow, Scotland just b/c more boring… if that was possible

  51. Eurosnob says:

    Technically you are right, they emerged from the administration (bankruptcy) as a new legal entity, but it does not solve the real problem. If it is simply a matter of the corporate structure, as you appear to suggest, what’s all the fuss is about? Is it really a brand new club, with no history, no thousands of devoted fans, no players that ever laced their cleats for the club, no rivalries and no prior achievments? Is placing the club in the 4th tier of Scottish soccer good for the players (many of whom play for their respective national teams), thousands of fans, sponsors, TV rights, etc? Is it really good for the Scottish soccer to turn into a one team league? Motherwell, the club that finished 3rd behind Rangers and Celtic last season, finished 31 points behind Celtic. Do you seriously expect the likes of Motherwell will be able to challenge Celtic for the next four years? Will the Rangers fans be excited to pay for the season tickets that give them the privilege for witnessing games against the 4th tier teams which largely consist of technically deficient, overweight and out of shape players? What if the Rangers say, we’ve had enough of this nonsense, and move to the English leagues?

  52. solles says:

    … “didn’t” say, meh for an edit button.

  53. bottlcaps says:

    No. They had an opportunity to continue in the Scottish Premier League if they would have got a majority vote from the other SPL teams…they didn’t.

    And this begs the question. Why are you punishing the fans and the players for the misdeeds of the owners? This doesn’t make sense. Someone needs to be punished, but you can only ban the former owner from football and he laughs all the way to the bank after extracting as much money out of the Rangers as he could get away with.So instead, you demote one of the most storied teams in the UK to play pro-am ball for several seasons, hurting the players, the fans throughout the SPL and more importantly Scottish football itself.

    This is a story of financial misfeasance by the former owner of the Rangers and he was aided and abetted by the SPL as his misdeeds were ignored when first exposed. The SPL need to put in more stringent financial controls over it’s ownership, but instead the seem to punish with vengeance, the players and the fans of Scottish football.

  54. solles says:

    its not good, there is no doubt, but I think it remains to be seen if the doomsday predictions are close to accurate. Let’s be honest, Scottish football is a joke, regardless of whetherRangers are in the Premiership; at least now many small clubs across the country will have a chance at a regular big payday for the next few years, the financial deals in place for the SPL traditionally heavily favor the old firm clubs to the exclusion of everyone else.

  55. Eurosnob says:

    No, SPL has only one Champion’s league spot. There’s not much intigue left for that one – Motherwell finished 31 points behind Celtic last season and they were the best of the remaining teams.

  56. The Imperative Voice says:

    That’s funny because half the reason Rangers became a cause celebre as they went into administration is they weren’t necessarily paying their own players or paying opposing teams their full share of gate receipts in prompt fashion.

    The TV deal is still in effect and has previously benefitted Rangers while in the SPL, but didn’t save them from the taxman and liquidation. Now some other team gets the benefit of being SPL. If the TV rights holders wanna try force majeure they can see if a court will believe them trying to say with a straight face that it would not be an assumed risk after Gretna that a Scottish team might financially implode and disappear. Good luck with that.

    Ditto sponsors. 9 weeks from every 11 the sponsors were on show for Aberdeen or the like, not Rangers or Celtic. The planet is not all in Glasgow. FWIW, team sponsors sign up at least nominally for their team, not the other guy’s. And TV sponsors, well, if they want to risk their spot in the pecking order (for when Rangers inevitably re-emerges) or their appreciation from the Scottish people (who might respond poorly to a public sponsorship divorce), again, good luck with that. I think a lot of Scotland would take umbrage against being taken for granted just because one team from Glasgow implodes.

    But carry on about how the other teams need them for their own financial good?

  57. The Imperative Voice says:

    Also, (a) I believe the SPL and then the SFL expressed their feelings on the matter by dumping New Rangers to the SFL and in turn the 3rd division. And (b) considering part of the issue is whether Rangers spent itself into bankruptcy to be part of the Glasgow monopoly over the SPL, the other teams might appreciate a more open, honest competition.

    Granted, it may just be a line of Celtics in the record books for a few years now, but in terms of competitive integrity, it’s a fair penalty for Old Rangers, and only an appropriate reboot for New Rangers, however you look at it.

    The new Manchester and Wimbledon teams didn’t get a free pass to their premiership.

  58. The Imperative Voice says:

    Which innocent fans? Celtic fans? Ha, they’ll laugh to the bank. Other SPL teams, including 1 additional team at Rangers’ expense? Their fans’ll like being one step closer to success. Between that and morality is why 90+% of teams dumped them out. Their fans aren’t crying.

    So are we talking about Rangers fans? Should that override what their own team did? Europhiles abroad? I mean, Rangers are above punishment because it will irk soccer nerds used to the Old Firm rotating?

    This is like right up there with “but what about the kids.” Well, what?

  59. Michael K in San Diego says:

    distantly similar (if that makes any sense) to Wimbledon FC moving to Milton Keynes a few years ago, and a “new” Wimbledon FC being forced to start in the lower divisions in the UK. A new club is a new club, but Rangers obviously had few friends amongst the voting clubs … dropping them down one level probably would’ve better served the SPL and Scottish football, but “rules is rules” I guess. Hope that the players find new homes quickly …

  60. Juan says:

    Its hard to believe but… who cares? Scottish soccer is big in… Scotland

  61. The Imperative Voice says:

    I misunderstood your comment which made more sense when read with the article. I think the trio had to send something in if they wanted to reject a Rangers reboot contract. If they’ve not sent that in or have even shown up for camp — I don’t know — then it’s academic for now.

    If they’re in a position to move Boca is too old and in need of high level competition to stay and wait it out. He’ll be retired when they return to SPL and the level he needs. Edu is younger but needs a high level of play also, I’d suggest leaving. Bedoya, in contrast, is a marginal international player in need of a break, young enough to have time to burn. He might consider staying because he might suddenly get played and develop — this could be an opportunity SPL-level Rangers could never offer — but he is quality enough where he might also leave.

  62. Joe+G says:

    The next club I start will be known as “Non Sequitur”.

  63. Eurosnob says:

    None of us knows the exact language in the sponsorship and TV deals to tell whether the sponsors can back out. Rangers paid late, but now SPL will not get any payments from the Ranger’s gate receipts. I don’t expect that the newly promoted club will get anywhere near in the attendance to 50,000 in regular attendance at Ibrox. As for the TV deal, SPL expected to extend it during this season for additional five years with a heafty increase in TV money, but now they pretty much can kiss goodbye to the increase. You are right that the planet is not all in Glasgow, and it’s just one club that imploded, but some clubs are more important than the others. Remove Real Madrid or Barcelona from La Liga for four years, and La Liga, which is in a much better league than SPL, will suffer.

  64. The Imperative Voice says:

    Of course, who knows how much a 3rd division Rangers will be paying, how they plan to handle their inevitable ascendancy. Usually relegated teams dump salary, but how much? Do they keep an expensive core to ensure repeat promotions?

    I say that because Rangers have to be willing to pay these people on the other end. I don’t know if there’s even TV for 3rd division Scotland, surely much lower road receipts. etc. So I’ll be interested who’s retained and how long. Right now it’s like a game but after a year in the third division will they still be insisting people be on their books, no, you can’t have your registration?

  65. David St. Hubbins says:

    “The fans” ???? The FANS benefited unfairly! their success the last 10 years was due to financial cheating by their owners… so yes Rangers fans deserve some suffering.

  66. Michael Stypulkoski says:

    I read the same thing this morning, surprised no one else mentioned it. The SPL knows how important Rangers are to their survival. So they boot them out for a year as a slap on the wrist, but they’re going to restructure the pyramid to ensure that they’re back at the top as quickly as possible.

  67. jbrader says:

    And by 2:38 it’s three.

  68. Kevin_Amold says:

    “Now the story of a wealthy family, who lost everything…..”

  69. The Imperative Voice says:

    But isn’t the team one big non sequitur depending how it’s understood?

  70. The Imperative Voice says:

    Rangers was failing to pay other teams and not paying all their taxes. There might be cynical other financial reasons for trying to keep them up, but teams weren’t being paid for ticket sales so who cares how much Ibrox holds and theoretically would pay.

    In terms of TV and other deals, the league needs the reality or at least illusion of solvency to support those just the same. Rangers may have contributed to the value of the TV but it also risked the whole shebang because it was causing other teams financial problems to not be paid by Rangers, which risked a domino effect.

    No team is more important than league integrity and solvency, and Rangers was starting to risk more than itself. They then ceased to exist and under league rules that means any replacement starts over. Elevating them to the SPL would be tossing out the rulebook for short term financial gain. I think Gretna did not teach the financial probity lesson enough so a lesson needs to be taught, even at slight expense to the bottom line. Over time, getting their crap together will benefit the whole even if it bothers Old Firmers.

  71. The Imperative Voice says:

    Swansea and Cardiff are basically grandfather exceptions from like 100 years of English play. UEFA are not big on newbies. Every so often one or both of the Old Firm theorizes a Euro Superleague and UEFA grumbles it will never happen. At minimum, they’d be barred from UEFA CL.

  72. Brett says:

    Rangers should be selling all their players and replacing them with scout team and amateur players. Our boys will find jobs elsewhere.

  73. RK says:

    Seriously, I have no idea what he is babbling about.

  74. Halford says:

    i was in Scotland last year and went to several SPL games: dundee utd vs celtic, hibs vs hearts, and hibs vs motherwell.

    I have to say that it was a higher standard than the MLS. The soccer IQ and spacing was much better as was the technical ability.

    Sometimes i watch an MLS match and its like watching chickens with their heads cut off run around chasing the ball.

  75. Patrick says:

    No! That is not true! As much as it looks like being in the third division sucks, Rangers fans have accepted it. In fact, the fans want to be in the Third Division. See for yourself:

    link to dailyrecord.co.uk

    link to eveningexpress.co.uk

    link to scotzine.com

  76. Patrick says:

    No, under UK law, those contracts are not valid. Employees, including players, have the option to accept or decline the transfer of their contracts to the newco. Those who decline become free agents.

    link to irishexaminer.com

  77. Patrick says:

    Correct. As a new club, they will not be able to participate in any UEFA club event for three years.

  78. rob flint says:

    This exactly ! More then likely TV revenues will drop, not to mention attendances. Why cant there be a British league is beyond me.

    10+ years to get back to prem. By which time it will be obsolete.

    link to firstsoccerstop.com


    The MLS is higher, not even close.

  80. Halford says:

    no its not sir

    if you know what you’re looking for its easy to see that the SPL (prior to Rangers exit) was superior to the MLS.

    what makes MLS better in your opinion?

  81. Chesser says:

    Come home boys, plenty of teams could use you

  82. Herb says:

    Rangers or Celtic could compete in MLS, but not the others. It is difficult for LA Galaxy to compete in MLS right now.

  83. GW says:

    Relegation is hardly a death sentence. Juve were sent down a few years ago and it was quite a benefit to Serie B. Admittedly this is a liitle worse for Rangers and they are a much crappier team than Juve were.

    As a USMNT fan I only care about the three Americans. If they have an option it is clear Edu and Boca should move. Bedoya could land on his feet there depending on how this all works out as it is probably not completely settled yet.

    As a nuetral observer this is probably for the best. Scottish football has been in need of a serious shake for years. It’s just shame they could not have taken down Celtic in the process.

    The Old Firm has been in a sort of limbo for so long; dominant in Scotland but horse manure outside of it. As I see it he problem is, somewhere along the line, Scotland stopped producing Scottish players.

    The Old Firm were dominant because they could afford to bring in mediocre foreigners (like our boys) to supplement therir increasingly meager Scottish core. The other clubs had to rely on growing their own and for some reason, their crops have been miserable for some time now.

    I don’t know if this will help but perhaps if Rangers also have to rely more on local boys, that will give those kids a chance to get better.

  84. Air Jordanz says:

    Semantics doesn’t eliminate the history or identity of Rangers as a club.

    Management of the other clubs must be taking crazy pills. 50% of the relevance in the SPL is now gone along with all of the monetary draw, all so that a few irrelevant bigwigs could have the satisfaction of shafting one of the teams that perennially kicked their butts.

    Also, despite Rangers’ recent poor performances in Europe, do we really see Inverness or Hearts going anywhere in the UCL or the Europa League?

  85. Air Jordanz says:


    All the people crying “justice is served!” don’t think like adults.

    “Rangers FC” was 1/2 of the SPL. Now it’s just Celtic.

  86. Air Jordanz says:

    As wronged as the other SPL teams (rightly) feel, they are helping their league commit suicide.

    All of Rangers’ problems are on the business side and should be sorted out by suits.

    Give the club a nigh insurmountible point deficit to overcome (i.e. force them to maintain their past dominance just to stay up), place very strict restrictions on how much they can pay players, and leave it at that.

    The SPL will fold within 5 years (or some strings will be pulled for Rangers and it will last a decade). Mark my words.

  87. Air Jordanz says:

    *pay players and pay FOR players

  88. Air Jordanz says:

    While I generally agree with you, it’s unfair to call all the SPL players “average (at best).”

    Look at Jelavic, who easily slotted in at Everton and started putting in goals after he was sold by Rangers.

  89. Air Jordanz says:

    In the real world, doing the right thing never means doing something against your own self interest.

  90. Air Jordanz says:

    Edu’s too good for the Championship. He will be going to France.

  91. Air Jordanz says:

    Apparently you couldn’t see anything through the fog and rain. If not, the spectacle of being at a live European match must have clouded your judgment.

    I’ve watched a few dozen Rangers and Celtic matches on the internet (in addition to at least a hundred MLS matches live and on TV/the web. In Scotland, the ball spends half the match bouncing off of players’ heads. In MLS it’s only a quarter of the match.

    Out of the 12 SPL teams last season, 4 or 5 might (only might) make the MLS playoffs.

  92. Air Jordanz says:

    I’m with you in that I only care about the USMNTers.

    The problem is, even the highest tier of Scottish football is irrelevant. Juve dropping to Serie B still put it in a higher quality league than the SPL.

    The Scottish football pyramid is way too bloated, but nobody else in the UK has any desire to help the Scots out.

  93. Halford says:

    complete nonsense.

    for one MLS teams aren’t used to playing hard all season. They loaf it knowing over half of them make the end of year playoffs.

    I’m a betting man and if you took the three best MLS teams and flew them over to Scotland and had them play a full SPL season i would say they would all finish in the middle of the table.

  94. Halford says:

    Yeah, Scotland doesn’t produce Scottish players anymore. I think there are a few reasons for this. One reasons is like you said Celtic and Rangers buy decent foreign players. Well there is an opportunity cost for that which is they don’t have the money for youth development. They used to be able to do both when they were going far in Europe. Not anymore.

    Another thing i noticed when i was in Scotland recently was that you never see kids playing soccer. The parks and soccer fields are empty. Ten years ago those same fields were full of kids playing. Not sure whats happened. Scotland has always had a pub culture but i don’t think that could be the only reason. Maybe they are all indoors playing on their playstations.

  95. GW says:


    I recently had a conversation with a Scottish friend and, don’t laugh, but he said exactly the same thing you said about Playstation.

    It seems Scottish kids just don’t play ball any more. There is a cautionary tale in there somewhere.

    I obvioulsy don’t have any demographic data

  96. kevdflb says:

    Since you don’t know what begs the question means, I’m not sure I can really take anything you say very seriously….

  97. kevdflb says:

    Bankruptcy (*or adjudication or whatever they call it there) is not semantics. And no, it doesn’t erase history or identity, but it does eliminate any right that Newco Rangers have to be in the SPL, First or Second division.

    The SPL isn’t the MLS where they just vote teams in based on how much money it will help them make, they have to be promoted up.
    Ultimately Scottish football will benefit from a more robust promotion and relegation format, and decreased dominance of the 2 glasgow heavyweights. It is still the country with the highest per capita attendance in Europe (or so they claim, but I’m inclined to believe them). 3 years is a blip in a nation’s footballing history.

    The SPL and the old Scottish first division haven’t been a top league for a long time, and its decline has gone hand in hand with the Old Firm recent, total domination. (not that they didn’t dominate previously.. but there had been periods of other clubs being competitive prior to the SPL’s breaking away).

  98. kevdflb says:

    administration…. not adjudication…….
    Administration : Britain ; Bankruptcy : US

  99. kevdflb says:

    You’re right.
    It will be a tooth and nail fight for second.
    Celtic and Rangers have finished 1 and 2 or 2 and 1 every single year of the SPL, except for once when Hearts got second.

    Even La Liga hasn’t seen the sort of 2 club domination.

  100. kevdflb says:

    The SPL (and the First and Second divisions) may have lost Rangers, and a bit of money – but they have integrity.

  101. kevdflb says:

    I think that anything is called “FIFA”

  102. kevdflb says:

    There is no such thing as “EPL division 2.”
    Do you mean the Championship, England’s second league?

    I’d suggest he look for a lower table premier league club, but maybe I’m over-rating him….

  103. kevdflb says:

    their “value” – you mean, lying cheating and not paying their debts?

  104. kevdflb says:

    I’ve got a bridge to sell you….