Report: German-American Brooks to be called up for USMNT match in Bosnia

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Highly-coveted German-American John Anthony Brooks could make his U.S. Men’s National Team debut as soon as next month.

According to a report in Germany, the Hertha Berlin defender has been selected by USMNT head coach Jurgen Klinsmann for next month’s friendly match against Bosnia and Herzegovina in Sarejevo. If Brooks plays, it would be his second debut in four days, as he is set to make his Bundesliga debut on August 10.

The 20-year-old centerback decided to use the summer to rest, turning the chance of playing for the U.S. Under-20 team at the FIFA Under-20 World Cup. Many thought that his decision to spurn the U-20 squad was a sign that he was still waiting for a chance within the German National Team setup, but if the veracity of the report is true, Brooks seems set to become a member of the USMNT.

Though he wouldn’t be be cap-tied with an appearance in the August 14 friendly, Klinsmann having a chance to see Brooks up close and speak with him will help the USMNT boss’ assessment of the young defender, and spending time with the USMNT could help Brooks make his own decision on whether to play for the U.S. or Germany.

What do you think of this news? Do you see Klinsmann playing Brooks against Bosnia and Herzegovina? Do you believe that Brooks should be in the USMNT centerback conversation?

Share your thoughts below.

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429 Responses to Report: German-American Brooks to be called up for USMNT match in Bosnia

  1. SanFran415 says:


    • Left Wing says:

      Looking forward to seeing this kid play.

      Man.. How many boys were born to US service men in Germany 1985-1995? Doesn’t it seem like, proportionally an upsurdly rich player pool comes from this segment? Some college kid or 60 minutes should do a story on this..

      • DCLee says:


      • Chef says:

        Applause to our servicemen! Back to Back World War Champs!

      • Socom 2 says:

        CNN did a few months ago

      • Brett says:

        Having grown up on military bases in Germany (11 years) I can tell you that there are a lot of kids with American fathers and German mothers. You have understand that during the cold war there were hundreds of thousands of servicemen in Germany and they are mainly young and male. Captain of my local team in Nurnberg, who is one of the best players I have ever seen, was half African-American and German. He had a tattoo that said “1/2 Breed.”

        • Left Wing says:

          This is the first time I’ve allowed myself to quote the Heritage Foundation but google gave this from their site.

          “Every year for nearly four decades, one-quarter of a million troops were billeted in West Germany, but by 1993 the number had dropped to 105,254. In 2000, just 69,203 American military personnel remained.”

          I guess it isn’t so upsurd that a population this size would produce half a dozen to a dozen bundesliga level players.

          It also looks like we better strike this while its hot. :)

        • Rory says:

          You know, a better question might be what happens to all the half american germans that are the sons of white servicemen? Do they not go into soccer, or do they get further adopted into the German nationality due to racial relations being easier on them?

          • The Squad says:

            Appropriate answer #197234

            Who cares?

            These kids decide to play soccer ( the far and away #1 team sport in that country) at a young age, stuck it out and were good enough to garner consideration from higher level programs

            Pretty sure numerous players of diverse background tried the sport.

            These just happen to be the guys in the spotlight now.

            Take a look at the German national team roster over the last 10 years or so.

            Par for the course

          • Andrew says:

            I can’t think of names off the top of my head, but a few of them have played for Germany.

            Of course, the USMNT got one too in Thomas Dooley. But Dooley only accepted a US call-up after he got injured immediately after each of his three Germany call-ups, and took it as a sign that he was meant to play for the US.

          • flagermunsen. says:

            Tom Dooley

          • Karol says:

            Just ask Sandra Bullock and Bruce Willis. They might be able to explain to you what happens to the sons (and daughters) of white American servicemen and German women.

        • Juergen klinnsman says:

          To anyone hating on these German American players all I can say is: do you have old glory and bald eagle tattooed on your arm. If not I know longer care what you say.

          • Karol says:

            I am German and I have family in the United States. One of my cousins has a German flag with a huge German eagle tattooed on his right upper arm – the other cousin has a Bavarian flag on the same spot. Both speak German fluently.

            But I wouldn`t consider them German/Bavarian because of that. And when they are in Germany they usually wear long sleeves…

      • Lane says:

        Just wait!!!! In about 18 years my half brit youngling will be wearing the red white and blue!!!! (I was stationed in England and did some “touring of the country”)

      • Brett says:

        Makes you wonder why we don’t build a bunch of bases in Brazil, Argentina, and Spain….

      • beto says:

        subs: P. Zimmerman

      • KJ says:

        The kids born over there are brought up playing soccer, and only soccer. That alone explains how they develop into such good players.

      • kennydojo says:

        Agreed. The U.S. has had 50,000+ troops deployed there for decades. That’s largely 50,000 procreation-age males ages 18-30 or so. At any given time, if you think about it, what would that equate to in potential fathers, or populating terms, to a regular American city? A city with a population of half a million? So you’ve got the procreating power of a medium sized American city, plus the well seasoned, mature construct and coaching of the German youth leagues. It all kind of stands to reason.

    • Yea Baby says:

      USA! USA! USA!

  2. AskAlexi says:

    Looks like a pure centerback build, but from what i can tell, looks like he might play LB too? Would definitely fill a need at LB or RB – any insight?

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  4. wfrw07 says:

    The dream scenario being he plays next month, we qualify early, and cap tie him in a “dead rubber” in October I would think.

  5. chris says:

    Shouldnt have to recruit any player to the USMNT

    • Joe+G says:

      Just like University of North Carolina Tar Heels and Kentucky Wildcats shouldn’t have to recruit basketball players?

      When players have choices between top sides (and it’s a once-in-a-lifetime decision usually), you have to do some recruiting. Even Google has to convince people to come work for them.

      • chris says:

        The fact that its become like college recruiting is the root of the problem. The national team isnt some job. You play because you want to represent YOUR country not whoever has the best bid

        • Sternbild says:

          I think you are missing the fact that he is American AND German.

          • chris says:

            I dont consider somone who has never played for any soccer team in the US an American soccer player.

            • Wispy says:

              Well, as soon as he plays this friendly with the USMNT, he meets your definition.

            • Peter says:

              He’s played for the US U-20 team. We’ve got lots of dual-nationals on the US team.

            • HoboMike says:

              Bruce Arena, is that you?

            • Ryan nanez says:

              That’s absolute bullcrap. My parents are from Spain I was born here and have lived in both countries. If both teams came asking for me I’d have a hard decision to make. I’d probably pick the us cuz this is my home. This country was built from immigrants. Ingnorance at its finest

            • Ceez says:

              Welp!, thank God you have ZERO say in the matter.

            • DaveInSLO says:

              Good lord. I thought we were through with these nonsense arguments. Hey, Cris…John Brooks’ father is on the line: He wants you to grab a rifle and man a post before you question the “American-ness” of his son.

            • Edwin in LA says:

              I won’t be as short minded as you….define team? Youth team, pewee soccer team? College? Developmental Academy team? Because a guy like Stevce Cherundolo has played his ENTIRE career in Germany and what you don’t consider him an American? What about Oguchi Onyewu? He never played pro just youth and college in the US….?

              Get over yourself, the kid has as much a right to represent the US and in his interviews you can tell he has love for the US, what you think we are above what countries like France, Germany, Spain, Argentina even they do it Higuain was born in France but had Argentine parents and he lived in Argentina so why is it we must be so above it all and only have ‘Murrican good ol’ boys born and raised huh?

            • GW says:

              You mean like MIxx?

              He never played for an American soccer team before he got capped by the Under whatevers.

              Or how about Tom Dooley and Earnie Stewart?

            • whoop-whoop says:

              Fortunately, your definition is meaningless.

            • bryan says:

              well that is your problem.

            • Bobb says:

              Steve Cherundolo, Joe Corona, Mix Diskerud: NOT AMERICAN

              Go back to listening to Rush Limbaugh, the US national team will be fine without you.

        • Ben says:

          Hmm, yes, except there are lots of people who have diverse backgrounds and would like to explore all their options before making a choice, which is entirely reasonable.

    • Pingunça says:

      just hand out trophies to whoever shows up?

      • chris says:

        Makes no sense but thanks for trying

        • nick says:

          neither does this ridiculous statement:
          “I dont consider somone who has never played for any soccer team in the US an American soccer player.”

          so after the Bosina game, is he an american player?

          • chris says:

            Key word in the US, as in developed IN the US or spent time playing IN the US. The USMNT is a reflection of the American soccer system. Hard to relate to a player that has been in Germany his whole life and has no idea what it is like to grow up playing soccer in a country where the general population doesnt take it seriously

            • Casey says:


            • Juest says:

              I’m not gonna call you names like a previous classless poster just did, but the USMNT is a reflection of the USA more than our “soccer system”. If JA Brooks feels more connected to the US than Germany, then who are you (or we) to say that he’s not American enough?

            • edmondo says:

              No offense, but that is a very closed-minded and ignorant view of the world we live in. You are entitled to your own opinion, but I think it’s misguided.

              There are many people who have multiple/diverse backgrounds, but are still Americans. There are also people who live abroad but are entirely Americans. My father was a diplomat and I have been over 20 countries during my life. One of my best friends whose whole family is American only spent 2 years or so in the US before he turned 18 because his father worked for a multinational that had him working Latin America and Europe before coming back to the States. He also feels very much an American (and he was a very good soccer player growing up)

              • slowleftarm says:

                Chris makes a good point. JAB has never lived in the US and has zero connection to US soccer.

                I’d say that’s a pretty weak connection to the US. Personally, I’d rather root for guys who are actually American, like Gonzo/Besler (the guys he’d be most likely to replace) even if they aren’t as good.

                And even if you don’t agree, immediately calling someone a xenophobe is childish.

              • edmondo says:

                Slowleftarm, I never called him a xenophobe. I just stated that it was a closed-minded view of the world because it is not considering all the circumstances that make one an American by explicit definition.

                He has a valid point, as I stated is his right. However, I stated he is not taking into consideration the full breadth of who encompasses American citizenry by definition. Then I brought up 2 examples (myself and a friend). I could even add another friend who spent his entire life living in Hong Kong until he return to states to go to Dartmouth University.

                I do not think his or your stance is xenophobic. By your definition, my friend who parents are American,but grew up in Hong Kong is not American. Or the friend who only spent 2 years in the States has tenuous ties is also barely American.

                The issue with discussing who is (more) American and who is not is where does it end? The definition is what it is. Why set up subjective, arbitrary hurdles?

              • Falls City Outlaw says:

                Calling someone a xenophobe isn’t childish if it’s accurate. What’s childish is a couple blog commenter thinking that their definition of American has to be met for this person to be American.

            • bryan says:

              go away dude. your logic is terrible.

            • jerm says:

              I figured the USMNT represented the US. Not the US soccer system.

        • cj says:

          Guess Lando has no right to be on this team. With a Canadien parent.

          • slowleftarm says:

            Nice straw man. Wow, you really showed us.

            • Ross says:

              So if you have a kid with a woman who lives out of the country and she keeps custody he shouldn’t be able to represent your country. Is that your argument?

  6. slowleftarm says:

    Not really a fan of this (players with tenuous connections to countries representing them internationally) but other countries do it and I guess we have to as well. So looking at it like that, looks like this could be big news. Huge season for JAB – making the step up to 1.Bundesliga and possibly being on the plane to Brazil.

    • froboy says:

      How do you figure tenuous, his dad was in the US military like so many other German Americans on our team, I have no problem with it.

    • Josh says:

      I don’t see having a parent who is an American as having a tenuous connection. Seems like a pretty strong connection to me. He’s also been much more involved with the USMNT setup than he has been the German.

    • Sternbild says:

      You should speak with an American servicemen and tell them their son has a tenuous connection with the US. Jingoism. Gotta love it.

    • JoeW says:

      You’ve got countries (Jamaica is a great example, Ireland another) that award citizenship to players b/c of GRANDPARENTS!

      The US is one of the stricter nations in terms of athletic nationality. Brooks has a US father. You can either have a US parent. OR be born in the US. OR acquire citizenship by residing here, following residency rules, getting a green card, applying for citizenship, passing the exam, taking an oath.

      Nothing tenuous about it….

    • slowleftarm says:

      Nonsense. The guy has never lived in the US. That’s a pretty tenuous connection to me. And of course, you immediately revert to name calling. Pathetic.

      • Ben says:

        Which you respond to by calling someone pathetic, so way to take the high road.

      • slowleftarm says:

        The tactic of calling some a xenophobe to try to shut down the point they’re making is pathetic.

        • SanFran415 says:

          The argument/point they/you are making IS xenophoic. That’s why it’s being called that.

          You don’t get to be bigoted and hide behind a curtain of “tolerance.”

        • Ross says:

          What your saying is if an American has a child with a woman in another country and he is unable to bring him back to the States that child shouldn’t be able to represent the United States. That is nonsensical.

        • bryan says:

          your point and entire argument is pathetic.

      • Brett says:

        It’s a pretty narrow view of cultural identity to reduce it to geography.

      • Mueller says:

        For me, A US military base constitutes living in the US. Also, when parents split up the kid often goes with the mom. Its not the kids fault he lived in Germany growing up.

      • Snaves says:

        Terrence Boyd has never lived in country and I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone prouder to be an American. Your comment simply reflects the fact that you cannot reconcile what it’s like to have parents who come from multiple backgrounds. It’s not as simple as where you live or what language you speak. My Mom is from Brasil. I’ve never lived in Brasil, but I feel akin to the country. I saw a couple little girls the other day at my workplace who were very clearly Caucasian Americans with no accents whatsoever playing with their “Abuela.” The world is changing my friend. These matters are rarely simple and if someone wants to come in and represent, let them represent.

      • Martin Blank says:

        Obviously you’ve never been on an American military base in a foreign country. That’s about as American an environment as there is. One is acutely aware of their connection to the US, even in a foreign country. To criticize these kids as not being “American” enough does a huge disservice to our military who put their lives on the line for us.

    • Frank says:

      No way is he going to Brazil. He might be an option for Russia but not for next year’s WC.

      • bryan says:

        you are probably right, but if he has a stand out season in the Bundesliga and becomes a part of the WCQs, i bet we absolutely see him there. that is a lot of “ifs” but the guy will be playing in the Bundesliga and it would be hard to justify not bringing him if he is playing well.

      • alf says:

        B—S–t. He will make his path not you.

      • Joamiq says:

        Why not? Look at Bease in 02

      • Coco says:

        if he has a great season in the bundesliga its possible he does. We are weak at CB. As far as i’m concerned only Besler is in. Gonzo is not very good.

    • Waterlewd says:

      Me thinks it’s the brain that is “slow”, and the left arm has no problems. But lets go along with this thinking…maybe we could have a Daughters of the American Revolution version of our national team. Where only those that can trace their roots in the US independence would qualify. I always though nationalism was the yummy part of fascism.

      • slowleftarm says:

        Of course, rather than address my viewpoint, you create straw men to shoot down. I guess it’s easier that way.

    • PSU says:

      His father is American and I’m sure he has spent a lot of time on an American base in Germany, surrounded by lots of Americans. It’s not like his distant great, great grandmother once visited the US and got citizenship, so now he gets it as well.

  7. Pace says:

    This guys a stud.

  8. Jamie Z. says:

    Well, I for one think he’s a great prospect and would welcome the addition.

  9. Clover362 says:

    This is the problem with us fans. JAB has played for a 2nd decision club team and that is it. People are now hoping he makes it to brazil. What a joke. Go ahead and cap tie him if possible after the us qualifies with a 5 minute cameo, but well see where this guy is for ’18 and ’22.

    • Sternbild says:

      I think fans are excited to add more prospects.

    • Josh D says:

      Brooks is currently as good as Gonzo, better with the ball at his feet, younger, and about to play division one German soccer.

      Brazil is not a long shot for him considering his competition is: Gooch, Goodson, Boca, and Fiscal. Cameron maybe.

      • rainORshine says:

        brooks is LCB – basically competing with besler and boca. id look in to moving besler to RCB, which I think he could do

        • Brooks may be a LCB, but focusing on that at all really overemphasizes the differences between LCB, RCB and CB. It’s basically a non-issue.

          • rainORshine says:

            how is it a non-issue? he plays LCB. so does besler. they are both left-footed. not all guys are equally effective on either side. if they play together one would obviously have to play on the right

            i would suggest that bocanegra NEVER played RCB – also left footed

            goodson is somewhat ambidextrous and plays both.

            it is something a coach considers when fielding a team and is thus an “issue”

          • Ceez says:

            As a former defender myself who has played RB, LB, and CB, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Professional or not, I can assure you there is a very discernible difference that REQUIRES adjustment. This isn’t FIFA13.

            By your logic, there’s no difference in a defender’s eyes between RB and LB. Tell me, how many times have you seen Beasley on the right, Cherundolo on the left, Hejduk on the left, or Bornstein on the right? For you Eurosnobs out there, how many times have you seen Ashley Cole on the right, Dani Alves on the left, Branislav Ivanovic on the left, or Leighton Baynes on the right?

            It is NOT a non-issue.

            • Joamiq says:

              It’s not a non-issue, but comparing CBs and FBs is overdoing it. CBs switch positions several times over the course of a game. It’s a far lesser positional adjustment.

    • kryptonite says:

      To say that a standout Championship or BL2 player cannot compete with the current CB pool that mostly has CONCACAF international experience is silly in itself.

    • rainORshine says:

      are you suggesting that MLS is better than bund2, or that SKC is better than hertha berlin?

      the kid is a bundesliga CB, making his resume superior to any CB in USMNT pool

      • John says:

        While the Bundesliga is of coarse a stronger league. It is also far easier for a German born player to get time in the league then it is for a foreign player to make his way on to a roster.So you really can’t just pick a starting lineup based on what league everyone is in.

      • slowleftarm says:

        To be fair, he’s never played a single 1.Bundesliga game yet, although he will soon. So you can’t label him a Bundesliga CB yet. Still, he will be facing far tougher competition at club level than any USMNT CB.

      • Ben says:

        Yes MLs is better than the Bund2. We will see if JAB is actually a Bl CB this year, he hasn’t proven anything yet other than being the right size for the position. I’m not knocking the Kid but I am knocking fans on this site who think a 20 year old who has gotten most of his professional experience in the 2nd BL should walk in and start for the USMNT in a year.

        • Coco says:

          the wages are higher in Bund2 than MLS.

          have you ever watched Bund2? How can you say MLS is better?

    • TomG says:

      Many people would consider Bundesliga a better league than MLS and if he’s able to hold his own this season against the best plaeRs in the world, he automatically contends for minutes with USMNT.

      • Peter says:

        If he holds his own in the Bundesliga as a 20-21-year-old, he’s definitely got the best resume of any USA-eligible CB. My preference would be for Hughes to primarily use Cameron at CB at stoke, and he and Brooks can start at CB in Brazil. We already blew it with Subotic, let’s get this one under wraps.

      • John says:

        Yes the Bundesliga is a strong league but there also a lot of developing and selling going on. So just picking a roster based on the players league is a problem.

        • Peter says:

          Any player starting in the Bundesliga would be starting in MLS. It’s a much, much better league.

          • Big Red says:

            Christian Tiffert led the Bundesliga in assists a few years ago and then came to the Sounders (in the MLS) right after that and he sucked. He was basically benched and then cut last year.

      • TomG says:

        Sorry. Meant to write Bundesliga2 considered by many to be better than MLS.

    • Justin says:

      See above comments re: 2. Bundesliga, but even if you take issue with the quality of that league – Hertha topped it last year and are back in the first division.

    • louis z says:

      apparently his club thinks so highly of him that they offer him a 5 year deal.

    • Bobb says:

      Hertha Berlin are a second division club like West Ham were a second division club. Now that they’ve been promoted, they’re not going back down. This isn’t Reading or Hull City.

  10. Sternbild says:

    I like the overall idea of cap tying as many good dual citizen players as possible.

    • Good Jeremy says:

      I disagree. Bunbury is now cap tied, and for what? He certainly isn’t featuring in the qualifiers and won’t sniff Brasil, so we have cap tied a person who may be nothing more than depth for the rest of his career, while he could be getting significant playing time in Canada.
      He’s a person with dreams and aspirations, not a video game character. I hate to see this stuff happen.

      • Travis says:

        It was his decision to play for the US, we can’t help he’s not good enough for the team.

      • Peter says:

        Not to mention the fact that it looks bad and will hurt our chances at getting borderline dual-nationals in the future. Also, there’s the point that capping Bunbury hurts Canada, which hurts CONCACAF, which hurts the US. We shouldn’t be pillaging players from the Canadians if we want our Confederation to be taken seriously. Given that Canada is the second-wealthiest and third-most populous nation in CONCACAF, they could be a real player internationally.

        • Casey says:

          Hasn’t Bunbury been injured lately as well though?

        • chris says:

          But we didnt pillage Bunbury. He lived in Canada for 2 years the rest in Minnesota

          • Peter says:

            Bunbury developed with the Canadian youth program up through U-20, and his dad is one of the best players in Canadian NT history. He even was on record saying he would feel wrong playing for the US.

            And that isn’t the point. The point is that we shouldn’t have capped him if he wasn’t in the long-term plans. Bad for the player, bad for the Confederation, bad for the US.

            Brooks isn’t in that boat because Brooks would probably be our best CB in the WC next summer if he plays for the US, but just capping anyone we can whenever we can is reckless and could be harmful to us long-term.

            • Lost in Space says:

              Bunbury was very much in the USNT picture before his injury and before the US Coaching change. His injury & subsequent form coupled with the good form of vets (Gomez, Dempsey & even EJ) is what has taken him off the radar of the USNT…same as Agudelo.
              In 2 years when many of the established strikers retire from international compitition Bunbury will have a chance again if his form returns. Similar to what EJ has done.
              Agudelo, Bunbury, Boyd, are the next round of strikers for the USNT….and will have the U-20 guys nipping at their heals. Compitition is what makes players better.

            • Brett says:

              What coach decides a player is “in the long term plans” regardless of his playing form?

              Bunbury would be “in the long term plans” if he was a better player. He chose to play for the USA because he wanted to have a better chance to go to a World Cup. No one twisted his arm. If he wants the spot, he’s gotta earn it. No one is going to give it to him because they feel bad that he COULD be playing somewhere else.

            • GW says:

              Charlie Davies was in the US’ long term plans. That turned out to be about 17 games over two years.

              Stuff happens. No one is guaranteed a long career in great form.

      • El Gringo says:

        Had Bunbury chosen to play for Canada, he wouldn’t have another meaningful game to play for 2-3 years.

      • Sternbild says:

        Single Citizen players are cap tied at birth. So what’s your point? I would love to have dual citizenship and the option.

  11. rainORshine says:

    id rate brooks as best CB right now if he joins. not because he is a polished plays, just a bit better than besler, who is consensus #1 CB at moment

    looks like a pure LCB to me. id start exploring if besler can play RCB. i think he could

    • Steevens says:

      How many Bundesliga 2. games have you watched?

      If you are rating a player based only on what club he plays for that is far from smart. And let’s all take a moment to remember that JAB has not played in the Bundesliga. He IS not a Bundesliga player, but he WILL BE a Bundesliga player when this upcoming season starts. We shall see how he plays against significantly tougher competition.

      • Lost in Space says:

        The fact he WILL BE a Bundasliga player, likely starting for his team, at the age of 20-21 makes him a very attractive prospect for the USNT long term at a position that we are currently very thin at.
        For arguments sake if you take our current pool of CB’s and look at their age, and level of compitition you can see why many think that if Brooks commits to the US he’ll have a very good chance to be on the plane to Brazil.
        Goodson (30 – MLS), Boca (34 – MLS), Besler (26 – MLS), Gonzalez (26 – MLS), Orozco (28 – Mex @ RB), Gooch (31 – Who Knows), Cameron (29 – BPL @ RB & RM).
        Now….Boca & Gooch are for the most part out of contention for 2014. That leaves us with 5 CB’s….2 of which are not playing the position for their clubs, and all but 1 in leagues inferior to the Bundesliga. It should be evident that IF JAB does well (even in rotation) with his club that he’d likely be in the top 4 of the US CB’s. Add to it that he could (potentially) represent us for 3 cycles….and you see the real attraction.
        I’m not advocating that he be handed the Starting CB role…but he could earn it based on the level of compitition he’ll face with his club Vs. the level that our other options will be playing against.

        • Steevens says:

          No player should ever earn a call-up based on the level of competition they face, not to mention that he still has not faced Bundesliga competition. The decision should be based on their performance, taking into consideration the competition.

          I fully understand why he is seen as an attractive prospect for the future. However, I see far too many comments here on SBI ready to anoint him as the savior of the USMNT back-line.

          My point was to say that it is incredibly premature to call for him to participate in the WC team. Let’s see how he does in the Bundesliga. Let’s see if he can fit in our system. Let’s see if he can pair well with any of our CB’s.

          I am of the opinion that his delay in committing to the USMNT may cost him a spot in the Brazil WC roster, because he may not have time and/or opportunity to prove he fits in the current system/squad.

          • Brett says:

            He wouldn’t be considered if he were playing poorly, whether he was in a good or bad league.

            But performing as well as other players while playing in a stronger league can only be better for the player’s chances to be called up.

            • Ross says:

              I’m assuming he has been heavily scouted by Herzog and Klinsman. No doubt JK could puck yo e phone and call any Bl1 or 2 coach and ask him their opinion about JAB.

  12. Tony in Quakeland says:

    My attitiude is get’em all cap tied and sort it out later.

    • Peter says:

      The problem with this is then you end up cap-tying guys to your national team that you don’t end up using, and those players are no longer eligible to represent other countries. That’s not likely to be an issue with the German dual-nationals, since it’s much harder to make the German national team than the USMNT, but with guys like Johansson, they’ll be afraid to commit to a team that cap-ties guys and doesn’t use them. You should get the players you actually want.

      • Good Jeremy says:

        Bunbury agrees. Diskeruud may soon agree as well.

        • Peter says:

          I think Mix is in the team’s long-term plans. He’s a real talent. Bunbury, however, is probably buried on the USMNT depth chart, and could have really helped the Canadian national team if he’d gone that way.

          • Jim says:

            Bunbury isn’t an apt comparison. You can be buried in the US pool and still be good enough to play for Canada. But if Brooks isn’t good enough to play for the US, he’d never SNIFF the German squad.

            But basically, I don’t think any of this matters. If a player isn’t good enough to play for the national team, his only option should be to work harder and get better. Not worry if he chose the wrong team.

      • Lost in Space says:

        Duel National Players ultimately make the decision as to which country to represent. Inviting talented young players who have a tie to the US (Mixx, Johannson, Brooks, Bunbury, etc…) and giving them a chance to experience the National Team set up (Players, coaches, etc…) for a friendly game that doesn’t Cap tie them is a good thing. It gives them a chance to evaluate the situation and make an informed decision.
        I for one hope that Brooks & Johansson both are invited. If they are interested in suiting up for the US great. If they choose not to commit later that is their decision….but I think both could be quality additions to the USNT for a long time.
        Bunbury was a quality option for the US when we were thin at the forward position 2 years ago. Right now we have some good strikers with Jozy, Dempsey, Donovan, Gomez, EJ, etc….but who knows what will happen in the future. If in 2 years we’re hit with the injury bug and Dempsy, Donovan, Gomez are retired from the international game we may be glad to have Bunbury as an option. Having depth to cover the injuries, retirements, and player form dips is what will help the US team grow stronger.

      • louis z says:

        If Johannsson gets capped tied to us and doesn’t play is not going to be because he can’t score. it will be because he will be behind Dempsey.

        The way he is scoring, JK will find him minutes either as LW or as FS/SS.

      • Tony in Quakeland says:

        There are probably three thought processes that people with a choice in cap-ties go through:

        – Dual nationals who identify with one country. These guys will probably go withtheir heart regardles.
        – Guys who don’t think they are good enough to make thier national team (or face some obstacle there). We want fewer of htese guys, unless they happen to be part top country. A German reject is more interesting than a Panaman reject.
        – Guys who hav ea choice but want to be with the team they beleive will be more successful. We want lots of these guys.

        They are grown up. They make a choice because they beleive they can succeed. If the see player x get cap tied and not make the WC, their likely reaction is “Well, I’m better than Player X anyway.”

        Bunbury, for example, is just not good enough. Tough luck to him, but that’s a cold fact

        • anchoredinn says:

          Bunbury ain’t even starting for SKC, a team in an OBVIOUSLY inferior league than all others. If that means he’s good enough for Canada, then, well, that doesn’t really mean anything. I’m sure his goal is to play in a WC, so he needs to improve. That was his thought process all along I’d say.

          I say bring em all in. Competition is a great thing. Don’t you people get jealous of seeing Fabregas and Pedro and David Silva sitting on Spain’s bench? That’s a luxury! Obvisouly I’m not trying to make comparisons here, but the point is that we need to stack and stockpile as much talent as we can. You’re always one injury away from the next guy, and a deeper pool only helps.

          I don’t really get the point of this argument. Must be ’cause it’s Friday…

      • whoop-whoop says:

        The concept of a guarantee to a 20 year old that he will have a permanent, major role in the national team is rather ludicrous.. doesn’t exist anywhere. These players all have representation who are advising them, are developing professional careers, have competed for positions at the highest level and are all well aware there are no iron clad guarantees… that their place must be earned. This is exactly why many players wait to make the decision and don’t necessarily do it on “our” time. There are all kinds of factors involved including divided feelings, travel… that one could have a better chance at a slot on a national team that never gets a sniff of the world cup. I don’t think the US is at all trying to manipulate or trick players into being tied to the US… you show them exactly what the opportunity offers and let them make the best decision they can for themselves.

  13. Gary Page says:

    The more players of quality the better. What coach doesn’t want to have the problem of having too many good players to choose from?

  14. Brian says:

    If he does decide to join the team he is an immediate consideration in the CB pool. While he won’t jump into the starting lineup, a season of sharpening in the Bundesliga gives him a step up on other CB options.

    Also, if you have watched any of his games he is a STUD.

    • louis z says:

      he has good footwork but what impresses me the most is his speed, he has nice long stride, if we play high line, it is going to be tough to outrun him.

  15. Matt says:

    I don’t know about anyone else but ‘m getting blue background with gray text, hard to read

    Be great to see if Brooks meshes well with the rest of the team

  16. Michael V says:

    I laugh so hard at people who are adamant they don’t like players connections to other countries — as if that they do not see them as “American” enough. Or some people don’t like the fact the US is the fallback option. Hello, we are a melting pot. Always have been. Always will be. get over it.

    • Josh D says:

      It’s just people who either A. have little empathy or B. who don’t know anyone with a dual identity. My mum is English and I’ve grown up surrounded by not only English people, but multiple trips there, English pop culture, English soccer, encouragement to maintain the English identity, etc.

      Now my daughter is half Colombian and is growing up with her mother speaking Spanish to her, going on yearly trips to visit, surrounded by patriotic friends, going to cultural events, having Colombian traditions, etc etc.

      Dual players are a fantastic representation of the US and why we’ve become who we are. The US was built on the backs of immigrants.

      • chris says:

        But hes not an immigrant thats the point. If he came to the US in search of a better life i would be perfectly fine with him playing for the US. I dont care what race you are as long as you are from or have made an effort to live the US since you know this is the USMNT. His parents made the decision to live in Germany. Brooks has spent his whole life in Germany.

        Trying to spin the people that oppose this call up as immigrating hating xenophobs because they disagree with you is wrong (although i only speak for myself)

        • USAmr says:

          His father made the decision to serve our country and was sent to Germany to serve our country. He is as much a part of this country as any of the rest of us. This is an honorable background that we should celebrate.

        • Josh D says:

          Sports are different. What is he going to leave Germany to play soccer in MLS? Not realistic at all.

          I’ll never live in England, doubt my daughter will live in Colombia, but I identify with the English and she identifies with Colombians.

          I really fail to understand how people can’t get out of their own experience and at least try to understand where someone else is coming from. Just because you don’t live somewhere, doesn’t mean you don’t sense it’s a second home. Just like there are plenty of people who know cartoons, movies, TV, etc aren’t real, but they sure love believing it does and dressing up.

        • Steevens says:

          @chris: His parents did not make “the decision to live in Germany.”

          His father was in the US military and was stationed in Germany.

          These two things are very different. The fact that you fail to recognize this significant point is why many here are posting comments indicating they feel you are being discriminatory and xenophobic.

        • GW says:


          There are currently foreigners, non US citizens serving and dying in the US military in Iraq and Afghanistan. If that is acceptable to the US then I’m happy to have Brooks, a guy with a US passport, playing for the US.

          It boils down to JK talking to Brooks and figuring out if he:

          1. Can help the US
          2. Really wants to play for the US

          If I’m JK I only want people who I can count on to go through hell to play for me (see Jones, Jermaine, Costa Rica sno bowl).

          He has certainly said as much, many times.

          It is very simple. If JK is happy with Brooks, I’m happy with Brooks.

        • GW says:


          There are currently foreigners, non US citizens serving and dying in the US military in Iraq and Afghanistan. If that is acceptable to the US then I’m happy to have Brooks, a guy with a US pa$$port, playing for the US.

          It boils down to JK talking to Brooks and figuring out if this guy:

          1. Can help the US
          2. Really wants to play for the US

          If I’m JK I only want people who I can count on to go through hell to play for me (see Jones, Jermaine, Costa Rica sno bowl).

          He has certainly said as much, many times.

          It is very simple. If JK is happy with Brooks, I’m happy with Brooks.

      • GW says:

        Has your daughter been capped yet?

    • chris says:

      See but a melting pot implies people come to and live in the US. Hard to assimilate into American society when you live in Germany your whole life

      • chris says:

        See but a melting pot implies people come to and live in the US. Hard to @ssimilate into American society when you live in Germany your whole life

        • Sternbild says:

          I think you should join the military and receive an OCONUS duty assignment.

        • rainORshine says:

          columbus in september sounds like a fine time to assimilate. i hear its lovely in the fall!

        • Chef says:

          The only thing that makes it hard for people to @ssimilate into American society is your xenophobia. The only constants in this world are diversity and change. GDIF

          • David M says:

            When you have no valid arguments, accuse the opponent of bigotry and xenophobia. Works great.

            • Grunt says:

              Actually, it’s a pretty transparent debate technique. :)

            • Chef says:

              Oh David you are a little small minded I’m afriad. I don’t want to waste too much time explaining how to remedy your situation, so I’ll just quote USArm from above; “His father made the decision to serve our country and was sent to Germany to serve our country. He is as much a part of this country as any of the rest of us. This is an honorable background that we should celebrate.”

              • Vic says:

                Nonsense….more than likely the product of a night on the town. This has nothing to do with serving our countrry

              • Justin says:

                I think they miss you over on the CNN message boards. You should go back there unless you have something to discuss about actual soccer. No one cares about your opinion on what makes a person American or your crude and offensive speculation on the lives of people you know nothing about.

              • Justin says:

                @ vic

              • Chef says:

                Because you were there Vic?

              • edmondo says:

                Wow! That was blatantly ignorant on your part. We do not know if they were married and divorced (Jermaine Jones) or together for a few years and broke up or etc. Even if it was a one-nighter….guess what…still American.

              • slowleftarm says:

                Again, someone who never lived here is not as much a part of the country as people who have lived here. There are thousands of people who were brought here as kids (illegally) by their parents and have lived basically their whole lives here. But because their parents entered illegally they aren’t citizens and, in fact, can’t play for the USMNT. Those people are a whole lot more American than JAB.

              • Mat says:

                Without its “foreign legion” the US team would have never qualified for the 1990 WC, would have never had the kind of success it had in 1994, and soccer development in the US would have been stunted, and we would be closer to Canada than Mexico in terms of program advancement. One could even argue MLS would have not been successful if it weren’t for the recent rise of the US Team, achieved on the backs of guys like Tab Ramos or Thomas Dooley and many others who weren’t born in the USA. Would you have preferred if we only used guys who were 100% born and raised in the USA?

              • David M says:

                I often wonder if some people here don’t read what others are saying and reply to what they think others are saying. It doesn’t matter where one was born! It matters where one grew up and learned his soccer. Tab Ramos is a New Jersey boy, as American as anyone here. Tom Dooley, on the other hand, I am not at all sure. He is much more so now, having lived and worked in this country for a number of years, but he sure wasn’t when he first played for the national team. Now, was he good for the team? He sure was, a fine player, but I still felt at the time about him playing for the US the same way I feel today about the current crop of Germans.

              • Justin says:

                @ David M.

                By that logic – we should encourage guys like Brooks to play here partly because they will, over time, develop stronger ties to America. That’s a good thing, right?

              • Mat says:

                What “%” of American that qualifies you? Ramos moved to the US when he was 11 his parents aren’t American, he started for the USMNT at 22 years old or something like that. I’m not sure when Tab Ramos became a US citizen but if you consider Brooks to be a US citizen at birth from a legal perspective from his dad, than isn’t Brooks more American than Ramos was, since he’s been American all his life whereas Ramos became American much later in his own existence? Think about that for a moment and how silly it sounds. My point is all of this splitting hairs on how “American” people are is not the right approach. You are either American or you aren’t. If the former, you can play for the USMNT.

              • Mat says:

                Without its “foreign legion” the US team would have never qualified for the 1990 WC, would have never had the kind of success it had in 1994, and soccer development in the US would have been stunted, and we would be closer to Canada than Mexico in terms of program advancement. One could even argue MLS would have not been successful if it weren’t for the recent rise of the US Team, achieved on the backs of guys like Tab Ramos or Thomas Dooley and many others who weren’t born in the USA. Would you have preferred if we only used guys who were 100% born and raised in the USA?

              • Mat says:

                sorry for the double post… browser issues…

              • David M says:

                I often wonder if some people here don’t read what others are saying and reply to what they think others are saying. It doesn’t matter where one was born! It matters where one grew up and learned his soccer. Tab Ramos is a New Jersey boy, as American as anyone here. Tom Dooley, on the other hand, I am not at all sure. He is much more so now, having lived and worked in this country for a number of years, but he sure wasn’t when he first played for the national team. Now, was he good for the team? He sure was, a fine player, but I still felt at the time about him playing for the US the same way I feel today about the current crop of Germans.

              • wfrw07 says:

                Amer·i·can noun \ə-ˈmer-ə-kən, -ˈmər-, -ˈme-rə-\

                Definition of AMERICAN

                : an American Indian of North America or South America
                : a native or inhabitant of North America or South America
                : a citizen of the United States

                Seems by definition JAB is every bit as American as people inhabiting this country illegally.

                Furthermore, since many of those inhabitants proudly represent culturally their home countries, both in the way they live their lives, and who they root for on the soccer field, and you (and I) have absolutely no idea how JAB lives his life on a daily basis, or who he was rooting for on June 2, your argument is hearsay and theoretical at best.

              • wfrw07 says:

                That was meant as a reply for slowleftarm

              • slowleftarm says:

                If your arguments are actually any good, you don’t need to call people names all the time. It just makes you look vitriolic and angry.

            • Mat says:

              Well what is the eligibility criteria for international soccer? Is it not having said country’s nationality? By his father, Brooks is American, and thus qualifies to play for the USA. What’s so complicated about that?

          • away goals says:

            American society isn’t just your hometown chris. And it doesn’t end at the pacific, atlantic, canadian or mexican borders.

            These are the sons of men serving in the UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES. They unquestionably have a tie to this country and their decision as to which country they represent is a deeply personal one.

            They have no obligation to a-ssimilate into your or anyone else’s idea of what american society is.

            obligatory a-ss double post.

        • away goals says:

          American society isn’t just your hometown chris. And it doesn’t end at the pacific, atlantic, canadian or mexican borders.

          These are the sons of men serving in the UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES. They unquestionably have a tie to this country and their decision as to which country they represent is a deeply personal one.

          They have no obligation to assimilate into your or anyone else’s idea of what american society is.

    • PD says:

      Yeah, I’d like to know what kind of purity test they’d like to put in place…

  17. Grunt says:

    So, can the elephant in the room be discussed without the PC police getting their panties in a wad?

    Why are there so many black German-American players to recruit from in the first place? Yes, I know how babies are made, but black Americans were and are a minority of the military population. The last white German-American player I can recall is Tom Dooley. Is it just an extension of the social phenomena we see in the States of black fathers bailing on their kids more often, or did black servicemen just get busier, so to speak? Both? Something else?

    • PD says:

      Unless you know the biographical information on each player I would suggest it’s a bit of a stretch to say all these black dads bailed on their kids…

    • ANM says:

      That’s not an elephant in the room. It’s barely a housefly.

    • Jeff says:

      So many being about 5 or so? Is that a pattern or a coincidence? When you are talking about “social phenomena” shouldn’t the numbers be larger to identify a pattern?

      • Josh D says:

        Grunt isn’t talking about Germany in general. He’s talking about the fact that almost every single dual German-American soccer player we’ve identified and clamored for is half-black.

        How many all white German-Americans can you name? There are a few, but it’s a fair question for Grunt to ask considering 100% of the USMNT players of German descent on this team have half black fathers.

      • Peter says:

        It’s a lot more than 5. You’ve got Jones, Johnson, Chandler, Danny Williams, Terrence Boyd, Brooks, Jerome Kiesewetter, Andrew Wooten, Shawn Parker, and others. It’s a peculiar phenomenon that many people have noticed.

      • louis z says:

        Maybe German woman prefer Afro-American service men because there is so few of them. We can all make a guess but I don’t think there is a set rule as to the phenomenon.

    • Josh D says:

      Society. From CNN:

      “Many German women perceived the black soldiers to be kinder than their white counterparts, even admiring – a rarity after the brutal war. After so many years of scarcity, a gift of stockings or canned milk might as well have been a diamond ring.”

      Also, in Germany, while there was and is racism, it wasn’t as socially visible. There were no rules against someone sitting someplace or eating in a certain section. You might get looks, but laws didn’t forbid it. So, for many black soldiers, Germany was in a way more welcoming. Which leads to relationships. Then they get their orders to return to American and you get the situations we have now. During Jones’ parents’ era, men who got German girls pregnant were actually moved to a different base. Which adds a level of complexity.

      It’s sadly ironic, because all of our German players speak of feeling welcome in the US because they faced so many problems from being half black – i.e. they talk about getting made fun of, being told they weren’t German, not being welcome in social groups, etc. Jones even talks about the fact he was ridiculed for having tattoos like he does, whereas in the US no one says anything.

      A quick Google search will bring up documentaries and articles. It’s never as easy as words on paper though.

      • David M says:

        I wonder what “brutal war” Germany had just experienced in 1980s and 1990s?

        • Josh D says:

          “after the brutal war” – they’re indicating between WW2 and the fall of the Berlin wall when poverty was quite rampant.

          • David M says:

            Poverty was rampant in West Germany between WW2 and the fall of the Berlin Wall? Where did you learn that? West Germany, from the mid-50s on, was one of the most prosperous countries in the world.

            • SanFran415 says:

              You’re missing a distinction.

              West Germany was certainly an economic powerhouse and one of the great economic miracles due to switching to the Duestche Mark and also a m@ssive guest worker base.

              The country’s exports were stronger than ever, but the people were quite poor because the doubling in export value came at the expense of cheap labor.

              It was in response to many of those conditions that the labor-centric concerns in the German economy and industry exist today.

            • Brett says:

              The country was prosperous in terms of industry because they had to spend decades rebuilding the infrastructure. It was quite a while before the psyche of the German people healed. Thankfully there was no repeat of the post- WWI economic situation in Germany (one of the worst cases of rapid inflation in history thanks to the government’s decision to print their war reparations, draining the treasury and making the currency left over nearly worthless) but acting like we swooped in and the country just bounced right back is a bit glossed-over, particularly when referring to Communist-controlled East Germany.

              It takes two or more generations to really recover from something that devastating. There’s a reason the destruction of the Berlin wall was such a momentous and emotional occasion. Do you think the people would have been that thrilled by it had things been swell?

    • Luis V. says:

      So what if they are green or purple. They are Americans. Their dads were working for uncle sam during the cold war in europe. Most GIs were stationed in Germany. Stop the race argument and concentrate in the sport.

    • Sly says:

      I just… I dont know what Im reading. I I read this and then sorta gave up for the rest of the month. I really thought we were pass this.

      Why the immediate assumption that it was only black guys running from their kids. Whats your sample size of dual national german american players who happen to be of mixed race all 7 of them…

      Of the american military personnel in Germany twenty years ago of that number a small fraction impregnated German women of that number a small fraction were male and healthy of that number some played sports in lieu of studying anything else of that number some play soccer of that number some were good enough to get our scouts attention of that number some said hey we can play for the US. Of all these amazing things how come so many are black is whats on your mind…

      A million things had to line up for Jermaine Jones to play for America and its why are they all black did those black dads run too was what struck you? Maybe the ones with the white dads (whether they remained in their lives or not) had alot of better social opportunities not being black in a very white country like germany and as such didnt push themselves to excel in something as difficult as making the first team of a bundesliga club as opposed to idk medical school.

    • Adam says:

      Well, I know why your name is Grunt…

    • Good Jeremy says:

      How many of the top athletes in the US are black? Most, to put it lightly.

      Why wouldn’t black athletes in Germany be just as capable as black athletes in the US? The only difference is that the top athletes in Germany are playing soccer instead of basketball or football, where most of our top stars are black. It makes perfect sense to me, even if it is a bit odd to talk about.

      • Peter says:

        But what’s unusual about it is that the vast, vast majority of the German national team (on the current squad, all but Sam and Aogo) is white, while the US could reasonably be sending 6 German-Americans to Brazil next summer (Jones, Johnson, Chandler, Brooks, Williams, Boyd), and every single one is half-black and the son of an American serviceman. That doesn’t seem like an insane coincidence to anyone else?

        • Good Jeremy says:

          How many African-Germans are there? I am guessing the ratio of black Germans from at least one American parent is significantly higher than black Germans with no foreign parents. I do find the statistics surprising, but not at all shocking.

          Also, if we’re talking honestly, MAYBE two of the players listed above would be competing for a spot on Germany’s World Cup roster next year, so we’re not talking about a significant chunk of Germany’s elite athletes being American-German with African ancestry.

        • Justin says:

          Germany has plenty of players who would be considered racial or national minorities in the German context, even if they aren’t all “black” in the American context. Ozil and Gundogan are Turkish as well as German; Klose and Podolski are Polish as well as German. You left off Boateng on your original list as well.

          The point is: much as we like to speculate on scandal, I don’t think either Germany or the USA develop national teams based on racial/ethnic/cultural competition – which is a credit to both organizations. The players make decisions based on where they feel comfortable, and where they feel they can make an impact. The respective national team staffs recruit and cap players they feel fit the team.

          Obviously, being a “black” German-American in Germany would cause you to “stand out” more than a white German-American in Germany. Maybe this causes individual black German-Americans to reflect a little more on their American heritage in some cases, but I don’t think you can make general statements about it unless you hear more from the athletes themselves.

          • louis z says:

            here is a question….do you think there is more racism in America or Germany?

            • Justin says:

              That’s a question that will only invite stupid answers, and in my opinion it has very little to do with soccer in America or Germany (though it may apply if we were talking about Italy, Russia, or some other countries). I’m not sure if you specifically want my opinion on the subject for the purposes of debate, or if you think you are actually going to get a well-reasoned answer on this message board, but I don’t really have an answer that is relevant to the discussion.

              • Justin says:

                Just read my response and it sounded too harsh. I guess I just decline to answer because it’s such a broad and touchy subject that involves two very different cultural contexts.

              • louis z says:

                no prob. I guess I should ask my daughter in law, since she is german and my son is hispanic.

              • Good Jeremy says:

                Is that you, George Zimmerman’s father?

            • Brett says:

              How would one even begin to quantify racism? Number of racists per million citizens? Is there a racism-ometer that can tell me how racist each person is?

    • Chef says:

      Your statement perpetuates the negative stereotypes of white males more than it does black males. These kids are great athletes and more representative of America than you will ever be. Stick to soccer, not ignorant social commentary.

      Their parents were attracted to each other and produced super athletes. Get over your insecurities.

      • slowleftarm says:

        How is someone who never lived in the US “more representative of America” than I am?

        • Chef says:

          Who are you even? Cu…I mean Grunt or slowleftarm? The U.S. is all about excellence and striving to be the best. JAB is clearly a major talent. Your split personality may not understand that, but its ok little buddy.

        • slowleftarm says:

          I’m not grunt. I post here all the time. I just disagree with that tactic of calling someone a xenophobe to shut them down.

          In the above post, I was using myself as an example. So anyone that strives to be the best is American? Wow, pretty broad and nonsensical definition.

          • Justin says:

            Well what’s your definition? Should we test CITIZENS to see how American they are? What if Fabian Johnson can list the amendments in the Bill of Rights and you can’t?

          • Chef says:

            It’s not a tactic when its reality. So U.S. citizenship doesn’t count? Yea that makes a ton of sense. Pot calling the kettle black much? Your “tactics” are just silly son.

          • Chef says:

            Boiling make “tactics” down to calling someone a xenophobe and disregarding the fact that it was an ignorant question to begin with is really just sad.

    • Lost in Space says:

      From some of the interviews given by players there seems to be a bit of a racial issue in some german fans dealing with mixed race players. I believe it was either Jones or Williams who commented on it during a studio 90 interview….where they spoke about being seen as foreigners by German Fans for the color of their skin….while in the US they are seen more of just a player. That may be why more of these players (Jones, Williams, Johnson, etc…) are more prevelent than say white German-American players are to entertain the option of playing for the USNT.
      Just a thought.

    • Dainja says:

      Someone has dealt with the elephant in the room. CNN did a great piece on it last year. Basically, African Americans overindex in the Army in Germany (1/3 of all soldiers, while they normally are 10 to 12 percent of American population), especially in the height of the cold war. Factor in the fact that…well, if you have a white American dad, its not written all over you face, as they say, and I’m sure there are plenty of white German-American kids no one knows about. Lastly, the main point i want to make is NO, not all of these guys black dads bailed on them…that’s a stereotype there and I gotta call you out. There’s nothing wrong with raising your original question, but that part is. For example, Danny Williams dad settled in Germany after he retired from the military and lives with his German wife, so Danny grew up with his Dad. Hopefully this link to the story posts: link to

      • Grunt says:

        Call me out on what? If I had actually written “all of these guys black dads bailed on them”, you might have a point, but, since I didn’t, you don’t.

        Part of what I was wondering was if the FACT of black fathers being absent “more often” in US society was something that carried over to the military and contributed to the disproportionately high numbers of black German-American players. The disproportionately high number of fatherless black households may be an uncomfortable reality for you, but it is nevertheless reality. If you doubt it, do some homework. If you are going to “call me out”, your dogma may back you up, but the facts don’t.

        I am not saying it is the only factor or with certainty that it is a factor at all; however, I think statistics suggest it is, especially when one considers blacks were always a minority of the soldiers and airmen stationed in Germany, and yet there appear to be at least 10 times as many German-American players with black fathers than of any other ethnicity combined.

        • Chef says:

          The fact that you imply that it is statistically significant is wrong. I suggest you do your research first. Clearly you know nothing of the world.

  18. PD says:

    The more competition the better, especially at a position we’re not quite flush with prospects.

  19. Luis V. says:

    This is probably better than winning the Gold Cup for the U.S. LD in full force and JAB with Omar or Beiss in the back = Solid. The biggest problem with the US since JK took over has been the back line. Gooch and Boca are out. Goodson is ok on the offense – but gets lost. Omar lacks experience. Edu will be playing out of position. I like Orozco as a second option to the Right Back position. We don’t have that many true central defenders for Brazil.

  20. IvanRG says:

    Klinsmann is working his magic again. He has done an incredible job with the dual national prospects. In my personal opinion, in a few years Klinsmann will be considered the most influential person un US Soccer ever. Looking forward to seeing Brooks with the USMNT.

  21. IvanRG says:

    Please also bring Johansson to camp !!!

    • slowleftarm says:

      You know, just because someone is foreign doesn’t mean they’re better than Americans at soccer.

      • wfrw07 says:

        So now being born in Alabama makes you foreign too? Interesting…

        • slowleftarm says:

          Well he hasn’t lived here since he was one so yeah I’d say he’s foreign.

          • louis z says:

            what about the foreigner that lives in the states all his life and never naturalized. is he American?

            • slowleftarm says:

              I would say that person is far more American that Johansson, a person born here just because his parents happened to be studying here, then left when he was one, never to return. I would say that person is also far more American than JAB.

              • Joamiq says:

                The entire notion of relative Americanness is dangerous, as is the idea that you can decide that for anyone else. That’s what leads to stupidity like birthers.

              • Ian says:

                OK, so I’ve read a bunch of your comments now and I can’t figure out why living in the continental US is such an important indicator of American-ness to you. I’m not attacking or calling you a xenophobe. I’m genuinely curious why you think preference for USMNT duty should go to players who have lived in the US for an extended period of time. Are you worried that the team will not be culturally American enough if it has a lot of German-born players? Or am I missing something? Does the cultural American-ness of the team affect your support for it? And what would it mean for the team to be “culturally American” anyway? These are all non-rhetorical questions.

            • GW says:

              Assuming he is legal he can be an American if he wants to be.

  22. Travis says:

    A lot of xenophobia up in here. These German Americans had parents who served in the US military, go ahead and tell their parents their kids aren’t American see how that goes for you. I get some of the annoyance at pining over people that have very tenuous ties to the US but try to cut out the borderline racism that a couple of comments have had.

    • slowleftarm says:

      Haven’t seen a single offensive comment on this thread. Stop with the straw men. If you want to state your view, please do so but don’t accuse others of ill intentions without any basis.

      • Travis says:

        Haven’t seen offensive comments? Didn’t one guy above me mention how it appears that all of these German Americans are black and that their fathers appear to have abandoned them just like in America?

      • Travis says:

        Also the whole idea that people cant be American if they arent born here or dont spend a ton of time here is racist in itself. If they are born to an American parent, they are an American.

      • You are says:


  23. Danny says:

    It’s nice to get a look at him, but this is also part of a numbers game. All of our CB options have been quite busy with WCQ and Gold Cup. Who else is a European-based CB option for the US? Gooch? Boca and Goodson are back in the states now. I’m sure Arena and Vermes will have kittens if Gonzales and Besler are called in again. Could we see an Edu / Brooks CB pairing? Am I just forgetting someone?

  24. John says:

    I think this is about bringing a player in and letting him see a camp with out any real pressure. I think those of you penciling this 20 year old into the Brazil line up are all being way premature. I see no problem starting to build a relationship that perhaps becomes something next cycle.

    • louis z says:

      yes we are premature but looks to have all the tools, he is going to tested day in day out. I don’t expect cleans sheets just how he handles it. If he still very much composed, why not. I’m sharpening my pencil 😉

  25. Dennis says:

    I’ve never seen him play against anything but youth teams. My crystal ball regarding how he will improve, or not, is real fuzzy. I hope JK has had some eyes on him when he played better competition. Identifying new players is one of the primary tasks for a national team coach and I would like to think that there is more than press-reports and fans’ hopes in the process.

    • TomG says:

      He played 28 games for a high level B2 side last year, so he’s not much of a secret or a mystery, any more than a guy like Besler is.

  26. David M says:

    It’s interesting to note that the current record win streak of the national team has been achieved with greatly reduced German involvement. Only Jones and Johnson during the hex qualifiers, and no one in the Gold Cup. Is that just a coincidence?

    • John says:

      While I don’t think its anything to do with the players being German. For sure not trying to shove Danny Williams into a line up and playing with 3 defensive midfielders has helped.

      • David M says:

        The team’s chemistry and unity may be better without the Germans.

        • Justin says:

          What’s the basis for this claim? it certainly has nothing to do with actual soccer.

          The USMNT features all of two German-American players at the moment: Fabian Johnson and Jermaine Jones. Johnson is an entrenched A-team starter who has really helped to spur the American attack in the WCQ. Jones is all but a lock for the Brazil campaign, and at 31 years old, his game is very well known to the staff (plus he has suffered his share of injuries in recent years). There was no reason to bring either to the Gold Cup, and the team’s success on offense this month has everything to do with its own composition and the weakness of the opposition. How can you say the USA function better w/o Jones/Johnson when they’ve never even played with this Gold Cup roster?

        • GW says:

          German Americans have missed the only Gold Cup games.

          So have Mikey90 and Deuce.

          Perhaps the team’s chemistry and unity are better without the Jersey boy and the Texan? After all Rossi was from New Jersey.

        • Joamiq says:

          Given that there are plenty of dual nationals on the Gold Cup roster, this makes no sense unless you’re insinuating that Germans specifically are a problem… which doesn’t really make sense either given that, you know, our head coach is German.

    • Mat says:

      Well, it might also be linked to the fact we’ve played Guatemala, Belize, Cuba, Costa Rica and Honduras B sides, El Salvador, all at home, no?

      Please don’t compare the opposition in WCQ with the Gold Cup, you’re discrediting yourself completely.

    • GW says:

      David M.

      No it’s not.

      Greatly reduced?

      If you mean Williams hasn’t played then yeah, but he’s hurt or in the middle of a transfer situation. Otherwise, that is stretching it.

      The US player pool currently features five players who are sons of service men who were serving in Germany the so-called German Americans:

      Jones, Fabian, Chandler , Williams, Boyd.

      Jones and Fabian are starters
      Boyd is a sub
      Williams status is undetermined since he has been hurt a lot
      Chandler is either hurt or uncommitted but might as well be gone for as much as he has been around..

      Jones and Fabian are A team starters are featured in the Germany game and the subsequent qualifiers (until Jones got hurt). They were never going to get called in for the Gold Cup

      Boyd was on the bench for all those games and played in the Germany game. He might have been called in for the Gold Cup but he probably needs to secure his place back in Austria..

      Williams has been hurt or in a transfer situation with Reading.

      Chandler is allegedly hurt and in any event hasn’t been a real part of the team for a while and doesn’t really count .

      The only German/American you might normally have seen at the Gold Cup is Williams.

    • You are says:

      And again. Where’s jimmy Hoffa?

  27. jimsakeeper says:

    Marcos Senna

    ’nuff said?

    • David M says:

      And you don’t see the difference, right?

      • jimsakeeper says:

        this guy is as American as David Regis.

        • slowleftarm says:

          Haha, so by that you must mean he’s not American, because Regis sure wasn’t. Regis might the one person less American than JAB.

          • Shaun says:

            You have said what you have to say already troll stop jumping on every comment

          • SanFran415 says:

            David Regis became a naturalized US citizen (making him as American as you can be) on May 20th 1998.

            He’s as American as you.

            • slowleftarm says:

              Sorry, that’s complete nonsense. He isn’t as American as me. I was born and raised here and have been an American citizen by whole life. If I marry a French person that doesn’t make me as French as someone who spent their whole lives there.

              • bryan says:

                we aren’t talking about people becoming citizens via marriage. this is a SON of a US serviceman. it’s BLOOD.

                there is a sacrifice to have his kid grow up in Germany since his Dad is in the military, but to say he isn’t American is wrong.

              • SanFran415 says:

                He is as American as you are. He is a US citizen.

                Seriously. Get help. There are no degrees of Americanness.

              • GW says:


                You are an American by accident of birth. You did absolutely nothing to earn it.

                Many US citizens who immigrated here had to go through far more than you to become American.

                I always felt like earning something was a very American characteristic.

  28. OB Rick says:

    I have a plan on how to win the 2038 WC. Open military bases in Brazil and Argentina and DO NOT give our soldiers condoms.

  29. Grunt says:

    Thanks to Josh D for the thoughtful comments. However, it was so predictable that several people would try to shut down any dialogue about racial male-up of the German-American player pool, as if they are somehow more evolved by pretending thoughts on the subject never occurred to them.

    I do not have some diabolical agenda; I do not have anything against any American representing the US (as long as their heart is in it). My question was merely a product of curiosity from someone who actually served in Germany, who nevertheless does not understand why none of the German-Americans currently getting looks have two white parents. For example; is it partly because there aren’t very many, or because they became more integrated into German society and have less compulsion to identify as Americans?

    • Justin says:

      I’m not sure that can be answered without actually doing some reporting on it. If there is any pattern to that at all, I would think that it has more to do with the players’ situation vis-a-vis soccer in Germany, rather than any explicit targeting strategy by our staff. Germany certainly doesn’t appear to apply any race-based recruiting when it comes to its own national team (e.g. Ozil, Khedeira, Boateng, Aogo, and many others), so I think it really just comes down to individual cases where these players think they have a better chance of making and impact playing for the USA than they do for Germany.

      Keep in mind that it’s an international game – not everyone has to be an ardent flag-waver to be supportive of their country, and I don’t think there should be any kind of cultural commitment required for playing for the USMNT (which I think is commitment enough anyway), particularly when they are just getting promoted to the team.

      • TomG says:

        There doesn’t have to be any recruiting bias for a player to be more comfortable with one culture over another.

        • Justin says:

          That’s part of my point, but you can’t make generalizations about players’ comfort zones unless you hear it from them. Jermaine Jones has gone on record indicating that his decision to play for the USA has everything to do with the football opportunities, and almost nothing to do with the culture. I don’t know if any of the others have voiced similar statements.

          My point was also that it’s not like Germany is preventing non-white Germans from rising to the top of the national team, and that runs counter to the notion that black German-Americans are getting capped by the US because they are being denied opportunities in German soccer on account of their race.

          • GW says:


            Jones is on record as not feeling accepted by the “clique” that was the German team and to some degree he felt it was because of cultural differences.

            So whatever the percentage was he plays for the US in some part because he did not feel accepted by the Germans.

            And if you doubt his commitment to the US, particularly on the field where it matters the most, you have not been very observant.

    • Chef says:

      No one has a problem with you asking the question. It is the demeaning generalization of a group of people after the question that is the issue. Generalizations indicate a lazy pattern of thinking. Every German-American player has experienced the world differently and to propose that all of them have the same story is ignorant.

    • edmondo says:

      When I worked in Germany, I can say I knew a few people who were from a mixed backgrounds ethnically and racially (White/Black, Turkish/White German, Latin America/White German, Asian/German). Germany (like a lot of Western Europe) has a wide range of acceptance and disapproval. Meaning people really don’t care at all or some really care.

      From my experience, it seemed like those who had parents who were White/Black or Turkish/White German, Non-White Latino/White German always felt like they did not fit. One of my co-workers decried the fact that she thought Germans were racist (her words) towards her mixed children. So it could be that more “German” looking players do not feel as much as outsiders so end up playing for the youth team if they are good enough (Gomez, Podolski etc. – not American, but you get my drift) or have no impulse to look elsewhere if they are not good enough for the “Mannschaft”. There has been a lot of talk in Germany over the last few years that cultural diversity is a failed experiment (seriously) in Germany. All this plays a part.

      I am not from a mixed background, but this is what I observed when I lived there.

    • GW says:

      As someone who has spent a fair amount of time living and working around US military bases overseas my view is:

      1. I get that everyone on SBI is a red blooded US patriot but particularly with large bases not all American servicemen are well behaved.

      And of course it only takes one or two bad bananas to poison the well.

      And even if they were all angels every day 24/7/365, having that many troops nearby, literally almost taking over the entire area, always breeds resentment. Being made to feel as if you are a minority in your own town does that to people.

      Try being a non-Mormon living in Salt Lake City for example. And Mormons are by and large great people who treat other people very well.

      2. The children of black servicemen have a double whammy against them in terms of being part of two groups that are not always beloved by the local populations:

      US servicemen

      If Germany were not a world power in the game how many of these multiple option players would play for Die Mannschaft?

      3. As someone else pointed out, MIxx Diskerud, who is white, draws little if any controversy in these pages.

      • Karol says:

        “The children of black servicemen have a double whammy against them in terms of being part of two groups that are not always beloved by the local populations:

        US servicemen

        As a German, I have to disagree: US servicemen and Blacks (at least if they are American) are well liked by the local populations. At the same time the children of black servicemen can get into trouble – but mainly when they leave the area around American military bases.

        • Karol says:

          I would even go so far and argue that black German-American kids tend to identify with their American heritage, because the US have a very positve image in Germany – and at the same time this sets them apart from black immigrants from Africa who have a rather negative image in Germany.

        • Increase says:

          I mostly agree with you
          Karol but

          Politically America isn’t that popular right now or ever. The large amount of troops on German soil isn’t exactly loved.(Cold war over) I mean the troop levels are down but things like the Iraq war and the NSA are not liked.

          In school, he would most definitely be labeled “American.” Kids are mean. And he is only 20. Adults may be mature enough to not insult him by calling him a foreigner or American but kids will. When I was an exchanged student there, I got a lot of shit about George Bush and I couldn’t even vote. I bet he got just as much.
          Kids are mean…. that simple.

          • Increase says:

            Oh I should say, I was an exchange student in Ostfriesland in 2004 sooo… the anti American stuff might have been higher then.

            • Karol says:

              I have never been to Ostfriesland myself – but their inhabitants are at the receiving end of jokes from the rest of Germany (as you probably know – “Ostfriesenwitze”). I agree though, in 2004 there was certainly more anti Americanism in Germany than now and before the invasion of Iraq.

              However, and that is what I wanted to say in my previous comment: in areas surrounding American military bases there was little to no anti-Americanism back then.

  30. John says:

    If we are giving this 20 year old a look should we think about giving Yedlin a look soon as well? Right back might be in even more pressing need then center back at the moment.

    • TomG says:

      Difference being that this kid has been playing against much higher level of competition for most of his career and will be playing the highest level this upcoming season. Not sure I want to throw too much at Yedlin in his first pro season. I might wait for January camp and see how he does.

    • Lost in Space says:

      RB is not as pressing as CB, and Yedlin is not about to appear as a likely starter in the Bundesliga.
      RB’s – Dolo, Chandler, F. Johnson, Evans, Lichaj, Parkhurst,
      CB’s – Besler, Gonzalez, Goodson, Cameron, Orozco
      I don’t think many are sold on the quality of the CB pool we currently have, and the last thing we need is a repeat of the 2010 scramble to fill injury depleated squads with inferior players (DeMeritt, Gooch, Davies).

      • John says:

        I don’t have any problem with giving Brooks a look but some people have him starting the next World Cup qualifier.

      • Vic says:

        Didnt DeMerrit retire? only a detail

      • John says:

        If Dolo can recover is still in the air, Fabian plays on the left and then I don’t think many are any more sold on that rest of those players at right back.

        • GW says:


          If Dolo is unavailable. Fabian and arguably Chandler are the next best right backs in the US player pool.

          Fabian was a right back/right sided midfielder for most of his life before Hoffenheim converted him to left back. He has also played at right back for Jürgen .

          I doubt it would take him more than eleven minutes to get back into it.

          JK isn’t sweating RB nor should he.

  31. Scott e Dio93 says:

    Nothing xenophonic on Chris’ comment. I being born Uruguay and being former U.S. Service Member, I understand what Chris trying argue.

  32. SBI TroII says:

    Success! Now Klinsmann will be able to unleach his Germany-only lineup featuring players who have played their club football in Germany before.


  33. Sean357 says:

    Wonder why all this talk about German American players but no one brings up Mixx?

    • edmondo says:

      That crossed my mind…but I did not bring it up. Even Johansson’s only tie to the US is that he was born here, but both his parents are Icelandic (I believe).

    • Scott e Dio93 says:

      Mix visits family in Arizona, so there’s minor connection with the U.S.A.

    • edmondo says:

      Jermaine Jones lived in the US until his parents got divorced.

  34. DCUnitedWillRiseAgain says:

    If we can lose Rossi, Haangeland, Subotic, and Johansson, then we can gain our Jones, Johnson, Chandler, Brooks etc.

    Not to mention the wonderful Sidney LeRoux…

    • slowleftarm says:

      Johansson happened to be born here while his parents were students and he moved away when he was one and never returned. The US is just about the only country in the world where he’d be a citizen. So I don’t think it’s fair to say we “lost” him.

    • Scott e Dio93 says:

      Both Haandeland Johansson are Vikings born by accindent in the U.S., not raise in the U.S. While Subotic and Rossi were raised in the U.S. By my expierence, I living here (U.S.) and served this country makes ultra-nationalist and really careful for this country, and while serving in Theater, I always thought the U.S. as home.

  35. Mat says:

    I don’t care if the guy only knows 2 English words. If he’s good enough and eligible, if he can make my team better, if he’s dedicated, then I want him on the squad period. People who are trying to set some type of criteria for who’s “worthy” of being American or not are really missing the point: it’s the kind of world we live in where so many people have ties to so many different countries.
    I don’t think Italy minded about Christian Vieri how grew up in Australia or Rossi who’s from NJ or Camoranesi who’s from Argentina, or that France balked on Trezeguet who grew up in Argentina or Desailly or was born in Ghana, or that Spain refused Senna because he’s Brazilian, or that Germany won’t start Podolski because he’s Polish, or Serbia won’t use Subotic because of his ties to US Soccer, etc… etc… etc…
    Why would we deprive ourselves of strong talent if when opportunity knocks?
    Do those who oppose Brooks playing for the US have a problem with Tab Ramos (Uruguay), Thomas Dooley (Germany), Ernie Stewart (Holland), Roy Wegerle (South Africa), Frank Klopas (Greece), Hugo Perez (El Salvador) and some others I’m probably forgetting having helped put the US team on the map back in the early 90s?

    • slowleftarm says:

      That’s the point I started out making. FIFA guidelines allow this so we have to do it too or fall behind. Doesn’t mean everyone has to like it. Or that saying you don’t like it makes you a xenophobe. I think this devalues international football and I’m obviously not along in thinking that.

      • Mat says:

        @ slowleftarm Actually kids of illegal immigrants born on US soil and who grew up in the USA are US citizens, so your assertion is incorrect I believe. I’m not a legal expert, but from what I’ve been reading, if you are born from illegal parents you are American; though your parents can be deported due to their illegal status.

      • You are says:

        Still ignorant.

    • Karol says:

      “or that Germany won’t start Podolski because he’s Polish”

      Podolski came to Germany when he was 2 years old and his family obtained German citizenship in 1989.

      He is German.

      • Increase says:

        I have a bunch of English Friend who went on about Podolski because of this. I told them they weren’t allowed to play Rio Ferdinand because he was clearly of non English decent and apparently that’s all that matters.

        • Karol says:

          I wrote something similar to some English guys I came across on the internet during the last euros.

  36. Vic says:

    I’m getting a little tired of this.

    I don’t want a US team composed of people that have never lived here and maybe never even visited here and have no tie to this country. It is making us into a joke. Even if we have success, the world will just say “no wonder, the whole team is German.” We have enough talent right here and don’t need to look for this type of player anymore. This country has never depended on others to fight for us and that should also include our sports teams

    • Shaun says:

      That last line is ignorant, plenty of immigrants have fought for this country. Get some facts

      • Vic says:

        Immigrants live here….Mercenaries dont. Get your facts straight before you call something ignorant

        • SanFran415 says:

          You are ignorant. He was right.

          Those “Germans” are American citizens and are just as American as you.

          • slowleftarm says:

            Someone who has never lived here is not as American as someone who’s lived their whole life here.

            • Mat says:

              During the civil war, the North typically enlisted immigrants straight off the boat, and these immigrants helped defeat Lee’s army thus paving the way for what we call America today. Were they less “American” than the rich third generation immigrant who was able to pay the fee to avoid conscription and didn’t lift a rifle during those violent times?

            • bryan says:

              that makes no sense. if you are American, you are American. there are not DEGREES of American. sure, you, and many others, will always consider come people less American. but that is your problem and it’s not true.

              especially when talking about the son of a US serviceman. this isn’t an immigrant who moved to the US and changed their citizenship. this is a kid who was born to an American, making him also American.

            • SanFran415 says:

              His passport says American.

              Your passport says American.

              Notice there is no percentage or type clarifying your Americaness.

            • You are says:

              Thank gawd

    • SanFran415 says:

      You have any idea how many immigrants straight off the boat helped build this country? Fought and died for this country?

      Get bent. Seriously.

    • Brett says:

      Someone needs a history lesson… the USA would still be a British Commonwealth if we hadn’t had help from the French.

      This might come as a shock to someone who hasn’t ever studied American history outside of a public school, but ethnically speaking there is no such thing as “an American”. We all came from immigrant stock. Even if you were born here, your parents, or grandparents, or great-grandparents were direct descendants of immigrants.

      Geography doesn’t make you who you are.

      • cencalfooty says:

        really? public school makes a difference? private school kids think they are so smart. joke

        • Brett says:

          Public schools teach government-approved curricula, and often times the truth of America’s development and involvement in global politics is heavily skewed.

          I wasn’t referring to private schools, but independent research and post-secondary study.

    • Edwin in LA says:

      You might want to do your research….because not only do we use people who are NOT from the US and even people who lived in the US illegally as their migrated illegally, We HAVE used troops from other countries……doesn’t happen a lot but it happens believe it or not….I was just reading about some troops from El Salvador who went to Afghanistan I think or somewhere in the middle East in 2011 I believe…

    • Coco says:

      “This country has never depended on others to fight for us and that should also include our sports teams”

      Oh god, this is ignorant. We wouldn’t even be a country if it weren’t for the French and German Hessian soldiers.

    • You are says:

      Fire Klinsmann, then?

  37. whoop-whoop says:

    Wow…. things really escalated.
    I’m utterly shocked at the turn this thread has taken. Never saw that coming.

  38. David says:

    Does the US have any military bases in Brazil?

  39. David M says:

    Hmm, sorry about the double — clearly some issues with this site.

  40. Sternbild says:

    Happily I was in the military and I did serve three years in Germany. There were a lot of soldiers whom I knew that had German wives/girlfriends with children. Often the relationships ended. But that is not the point. The point is, the military bases all over the world are considered Unites States property. If you are born in Rammstein, Germany in a US hospital, you are technically born in the United States. There are loads and loads of American kids who have American fathers and mothers who have spent their entire childhood on a military base…in Germany. Their parents just kept working in Germany. The point is, how in the world can one even come up with any criteria to determine who gets to play for the national side that is more complicated than US citizen? Is the criteria going to be US citizen + documented AYSO participation + American High School experiene (also the American High Schools on US bases are also considered Amercian Schools) + whatever hoops one needs to demonstrate their amazing Americaness? I get that JAB probably went to German schools, but again the point is, does he need to fill out a questionnaire and we get to rank just how truly American he is? Like is he only 20% American when you work in whatever formula one can come up with?
    So here is a test. Lets take Jermaine Jones. His dad is American and his mom is German. He was born in Germany but moved to America and lived in Chicago and Mississippi. His parents divorced and he moved back to Germany and spent the rest of his life in Germany. What percentage American is he? 68.2%? Is that high enough?

    • edmondo says:


      The issue with discussing who is (more) American and who is not is where does it end? The definition is what it is. Why set up subjective, arbitrary hurdles?

      *my earlier comment is still in moderation.

    • Joe+G says:

      Actually, if you are born on a US military base, it is US property, but not US soil. If your parents aren’t US citizens at the time, you have to go through the naturalization process. This is even true in Guantanamo, where there is no real local government to recognize your birth.

  41. SanFran415 says:

    We’ve read what you said.

    It was xenophobic and bigoted on the most basic of levels. You are a xenophobe. Nothing you say will change that. Your intolerance is not deserving of tolerance in return and to claim such exhibits a shocking ignorance and lack of self-awareness.

    Saying you aren’t a xenophobe doesn’t change the reality that you are. Claiming the other side is name calling you is simply your way out because you have no actual thoughts on the matter. You are intolerant and when others call you on it you scream they are being intolerant of your supposed right to be intolerant.

    There are no levels of Americanness. You either are or are not an American. Every person who has ever stepped foot on that field with that crest and flag over their body is as American as George Washington himself.

    And if you are making the argument that they are culturally more American, you are only further exhibiting that you have absolutely no idea what America is and was. We are all-inclusive–and if you meet our simple criteria you’re welcomed with open arms.

    “Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
    With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled m@sses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

    The end of the inscription on the Statue of Liberty.

    • slowleftarm says:

      Totally unconvincing and complete nonsense. Like most of what you write.

      • SanFran415 says:

        We get it–you’re a moron. Take your xenophobia to BigSoccer or CNN. Those are your type of people.

        • slowleftarm says:

          My type of people are those that can have a civil debate on a subject where multiple viewpoints are clearly held by the soccer community here. You prefer to immediately make proclamations about moral supperiority and condemn anyone with a contrary opinion.

          And it’s certainly a legitimate viewpoint to think that convincing some Germans to play for us isn’t anything particuarly great for US soccer. If you disagree fine. But stop trying to stifle debate with name calling.

          • Roman Lewandowski says:

            + too many to count

            Too bad the self-righteous types will always shout louder.

            • You are says:

              Bullshit. Please outline this grand plan for improving US soccer quality, and how it excludes any player that isn’t forced to live in your insular version of Amerca.

  42. bryan says:

    this is good news for sure. it’ll be nice to get a look at him with the USMNT setup. i’m hoping he does well in the Bundesliga. no reason to think he won’t. 23 for that friendly:

    G: Howard, Guzan,
    D: Chandler, Johnson, Lichaj, Dolo, Parkhurst, JAB, Cameron, Gooch
    M: Bradley, Jones, Edu, Mix, Holden, Bedoya, Morales, Shea, Corona
    S: Jozy, Dempsey, Boyd, LD

    i realize there are probably way too many fullbacks in this 23 and that there will probably be a 3rd keeper. even though it seems like there isn’t a ton of width, Chandler and Johnson could end up playing in the midfield. most importantly, this list is essentially all European based players. i’m not sure there will be many MLS or Mexican league players for this friendly, so hopefully that explains some of the selections i predicted. LD and Corona were added because I would like to see both there. not sure if it’s realistic though.

  43. Mat says:

    @David M
    So is it a % of American that qualifies you? Ramos moved to the US when he was 11 his parents aren’t American, he started for the USMNT at 22 years old. I’m not sure when Tab Ramos became a US citizen but if you consider Brooks to be a US citizen from a legal perspective from his dad, than isn’t Brooks more American than Ramos was, since he’s been American all his life whereas Ramos became American much later in his own existence? Think about that for a moment and how silly it sounds.

    My point is all of this splitting hairs on how “American” people are is not the right approach. You are either American or you aren’t. If the former, you can play for the USMNT.

    • David M says:


      Again, you’re not reading what I’m saying. It’s where the person grew up and learned his soccer. Tab’s parents moved to the US to join the melting pot. Has Brooks ever lived in the States? Or is he like Chandler who had never even been to the USA until his first call-up.

      • Mat says:

        So if Tab moved at 11, what % of his soccer has he learned in Uruguay vs the US? If Tab had been born and grew up in NJ, would he have been as strong a soccer player? Surely not: don’t fool yourself, the reason Tab Ramos was such a great player is that he was able to first develop his skills in youth Montevideo soccer clubs.

        • slowleftarm says:

          I’m not saying someone has to spend their whole lives in the US to play for the USMNT team but I don’t think it’s right that someone who’s never lived here and has basically no connection with the US should play for us.

          • Mat says:

            I understand what you mean, but I will just have to agree to disagree.
            You seem to believe that being American warrants some type of affiliation with living in the homeland, which I can comprehend. But this is a slippery slope. I think it’s best to keep matters simple: if the law says you’re American than you’re American.
            My broader point is that the irony is that without our American adopted players such as Ramos, Dooley, Stewart and others, the USA would have never emerged from the doldrums of international soccer (we would have never qualified for 1990 and MLS wouldn’t have surfed the 1994 WC wave since the USMNT would have been awful and uninspiring – Dooley was one of our best and a key player at that time)and we wouldn’t even be having this discussion!

          • Mat says:

            The term you use “connection”, can be interpreted in different ways. It is legitimate to think that having a US serviceman as a father creates a “connection” to the US, no?

          • GW says:

            If you have at least one parent who is an American how is that “basically no connection”?

      • wfrw07 says:

        Where a player grew up and learned his soccer is an arbitrary reason. Being American is about far more than the sport. It is about a mindset, a way of life, a set of values and all that good stuff. You can have that mindset living in another country, just as you can physically live within the boarders and feel ties to another country. The bottom line is that his father is American as American gets, and since the US government and constitution says JAB is an American citizen, you or anyone else doesn’t get to say he doesn’t belong.

        That is not to say JAB is reciting the Pledge of Allegiance every morning, but where he plays his soccer is meaningless.

        Hell, Deuce always says that growing up where he grew up in Texas, he learned to play with immigrants and sons of immigrants in Texas who played a more Latin American style of soccer. If that is your argument, maybe Dempsey isn’t a real American and should go play for Mexico.

      • GW says:

        Then you are disqualifying Mixx Diskerud.

  44. Mat says:

    David M,
    So is it a % of American that qualifies you? Ramos moved to the US when he was 11 his parents aren’t American, he started for the USMNT at 22 years old. I’m not sure when Tab Ramos became a US citizen but if you consider Brooks to be a US citizen from a legal perspective from his dad, than isn’t Brooks more American than Ramos was, since he’s been American all his life whereas Ramos became American much later in his own existence? Think about that for a moment and how silly it sounds. My point is all of this splitting hairs on how “American” people are is not the right approach. You are either American or you aren’t. If the former, you can play for the USMNT.

  45. John says:

    He more then likely will turn down this call up. Talk about everyone getting worked up over nothing.

    • louis z says:

      Do you really think JK is going to invite someone that he hasn’t already talk to?

    • Increase says:

      Its only a Friendly, He might want to come play for us. If he wants to play for Germany, he may see it as a way to get them to act or… make it clear that they wont act.

      I think he will come.

  46. BOYD says:

    Why develop player when you can just hire them.

    • Mat says:

      I think you mean recruit players amongst those how have your country’s citizenship? You know as in a legal citizen of the USA as recognized by federal law?

    • John says:

      I think perhaps this is at the root of a few peoples reaction. Just as we were starting to feel good about the direction of US soccer. We are kind of reminded that in some peoples eyes our league still isn’t even producing Bundesliga 2 level talent.

    • Joe+G says:

      Gee, I thought development was supposed to be done at the club level.

  47. Brad says:

    It’s pretty wild how much of a debate stirs up whenever something controversial happens with these foreign-born/dual-citizenship-holding players. Really been a bit of a chore to find something that hasn’t been said more than 3-6 times.

    So something off topic: Our coach, Jurgen, is German.

    That is obviously something that is allowed within the context of the game; to hire a foreign coach. He’s had his ups and downs since his appointment. But right now he has a team that is giving me (and many more USA fans, as well as some ‘non fans’) a lot to be proud about when watching the USMNT. He’s gotten these players to buy into a drastically different approach to the games and opposition we face — it took some time too. But we’ve now rattled off 10 straight Ws. And damn, has the quality been impressive. JK has given deserving players opportunities to represent this country, and I’d say none of them take it for granted when they pull that sweet red and white jersey on.

    There’s only so much that we know about JK’s approach to getting a dual-national to play for USA, but one thing I have to believe as a US fan is that they must buy into the fact that they’re representing you, me and everyone else who loves this country. Boyd’s dad wasn’t in the picture, but have you seen how much that kid loves America? Got a US flag tattoo to boot. Jermaine Jones loves this country as much as I do. The other guys I don’t know too much about, but did it look like JK appreciated Timmy C’s dispassionate summer of rest? Face the fact that a German is doing everything he can to win and to give us something to be proud about when those guys go out on the field. The guys out there play the way I’d like to see them play: hard, confident, and always with something to prove. I hope they prove the haters wrong as a team, because I’m going to be smiling when we do.

  48. MIKE R says:

    Our German based soldiers did us a diservice by not producing strikers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    The only problem I have with German born players is that it highlight how inept our US system. If our stateside system or players were better we dual nationals couldnt walk off the street and be near starters. Jermaine Jones Fabian Johnson are better or at least as good as any US born player. If Germany loses Brooks they would shrug because they have 10 players just as good or better. If we lose him its devastating cause we have no one better…maybe more experienced or just as good but not better.

  49. biff says:

    In addition to the Kicker, I found a couple of other German news stories linked below quoting Brooks about the possibilities of his playing either for the US or Germany. He makes some very interesting comments. I wonder why Hertha Berlin is announcing this invitation publicly, and so soon. And I wonder how Klinsmann, Mr. Secrecy himself, feels about. I am definitely looking forward to the Bosnia and Herzegovina friendly and seeing Jermaine Jones and Fabian Johnson in the starting 11. Will be a good test for the team.

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  50. BOYD says:

    So many kids playing soccer and so much money spent on”player development” and we still get excited about other countries’ sloppy seconds.

    • John says:

      What are all those soccer moms even doing anyway?

    • Sternbild says:

      When the SEC starts promoting their soccer programs, then I’ll get excited about US soccer youth development.

      • Brett says:

        Why? All the best SEC athletes already play football because that’s where all the money and recruiting effors go, that’s why our basketball teams are so weak (Florida years back was an aberration).

        Furthermore, all the best soccer players sign with pro clubs before they’re old enough to go to college anyway.

        College soccer will only pick up in places where there are no other major programs to contend with.

  51. Juan says:

    The reason all of these players like Brooks are half black might be.

    1. blacks are better athletes
    2. white fathers would be more likely to stay around and either bring them back to the US or be more involved in their lives and teach them american sports.

    • Grunt says:

      Huh? AYSO was around long before any of our current players were born. I’d say it’s a fairly “American” sport by now. You do realize US soccer is celebrating its centennial this year, right?

    • edmondo says:

      Juan (if that really is your name), those are pretty broad and ignorant statements. I am not a huge politically correct person, because I feel it is someone’s right to speak their mind.This statement is misinformed. First of all, not all of these guys had absentee fathers. Second, there were a lot of kids with white military dads who not around. Look at the numbers post WWII when there were less interracial relationships. Third, sadly, a lot relationships that these guys get end badly due to the nature of different cultures and types of stressful careers these guys have.

  52. biff says:

    Just to want to note that Brooks was quoted in two other German news articles speaking about his preferences between playing for the USMNT or for Germany. Very enlightening comments.

  53. Karol says:

    All in all, I don`t see anything wrong with recruiting dual nationals. However, I can imagine that it could create problems in the future. I remember one of the Croatian players saying in 2008 that they sometimes held team talks in German rather than Croatian because the Croatian players grew up in Germany,Switzerland and Austria and were more comfortable speaking German.

    Should the United States ever come to this point, I can see a possible friction with the fans.

    • Increase says:

      Croatia is kinda a special case. Those wars in the 90s caused a lot of people to leave.

      For the US, I bet we have on field communication in Spanish/German sometimes. Might actually be useful depending on who we are playing. I don’t see Jurgen doing it though. I mean… we all know how important “faster!!!!!” is.

      There is more danger of practice in Spanish someday than German in my mind.(Still low) I think that using Spanish is by no means bad but… it would kinda be divisive if it became the “primary” language. Chivas USA as an example.

  54. Karol says:

    As an outsider (non American) may I ask you all, why an American serviceman is “more American” than an American who doesn`t serve in the military? They should be equal in front of the law/constitution after all.

  55. Me says:

    Easy test,…

    Listen to them speak English. If they have a regional American accent, they’re in.

    Except for that Baltimore accent – obviously subhuman garbage

  56. yea mon says:

    this all boils down to the fact that many folks who post here who don’t want to see US soccer end up like the other American team sports – mostly non-caucausian. These are the same folks who whined about the mostly hispanic side fielded at the U20’s

  57. Jay Bonds says:

    Poor Jurgen Klinsmann. He has to go take German rejects to get his vision actualized in US.

  58. Chef says:

    I really hope JAB doesn’t read this thread and then read all of the positive reactions the article about AJ committing to the U.S. is getting. Speaks volumes about the state of race relations in the U.S.

    I’d personally love to see the best players we can possibly put on the pitch. If either can add to an already pretty solid U.S. squad I will be more than delighted.

    • MesaATLien says:

      Okay. The difference between the optimism of Johansson to the cynicism of Brooks is simply Brooks has a legitimate chance of playing for Germany (he’s had looks). And no disrespect to Iceland, but Germany is understandably a sexier pull. I don’t think this has anything to do with the fact that he’s half African-American.

      I don’t have a problem with him playing for the U.S., and I’m happy to have him as long as he’s committed to this team, on which he hasn’t shown any indication that he wasn’t. Same with Johansson. The minute someone starts going “Timothy Chandler” on us, that’s when I’ll let all hell break loose.

      • Chef says:

        So you completely ignore the comments about black fathers “bailing” on their kids. This isn’t about race to you and that is fine. That is actually the way it should be. To others it is completely about race. They are quick to talk about people who don’t “look American.”

        I hope you can understand that. I also understand for some people ignorance is bliss.

        • MesaATLien says:

          Yes, I understand completely, no need to get defensive.

          I didn’t see someone saying he didn’t “look American” in this thread, so maybe that’s where the misunderstanding is coming from. The majority of comments I have seen have been debating the American experience. In addition, if a person was generalizing and making these comments about absentee black fathers to be a douchebag, then yes, that person is ignorant. That we can agree on.