32 responses

  1. BrianK
    January 13, 2014

    What happens if a Geneation Adidas player performs so poorly in the combine and doesn’t get drafted? What does MLS do IF such a situation were to arise.

    • Timber Danny
      January 13, 2014

      Given that we’re talking Gen Adidas here I would think the savings in $$$ against the cap would mean no Gen Adidas player would ever go undrafted.

    • Vic
      January 13, 2014

      Generation Addidas players are signed with the league. If by some miracle one went undrafted i would assume they would find some office work at MLS Headquarters. I’m sure MLS wouldn’t want the player to stay home and do nothing.

    • TomG
      January 13, 2014

      I’d think the whole idea behind GA is scouting them thoroughly to the point where a bad combine isn’t going to hurt them too bad. Don’t place too much stock on the combine. A few days should never trump years of performance. Teams that draft based on the combine are going to fail in the draft. The combine might reveal a prospect that hadn’t been heavily scouted before, but it shouldn’t kill a heavily scouted top guy.

      • Ives Galarcep
        January 13, 2014

        Tom, you’re being pretty presumptuous. The league doesn’t scout GAs at all. They reach out to teams to get a sense of players they should be going after. Sometimes all it takes is one team saying “We’d take him for sure with one of our picks” to get a player signed. That’s the case with Damion Lowe. And no, teams don’t weigh the Combine MORE than year-round scouting, BUT when it comes to certain players who simply wouldn’t have been scouted (small school players and such) teams have little choice but to look at those players based on how they do at the Combine. So yes, the Combine does still matter. Now, can a Combine kill a heavily-scouted player? Not usually, but ANY player in the draft pool can hurt their stock if they come here and look awful. That’s just reality.

      • TomG
        January 13, 2014

        Thanks for setting me straight re the scouting of GA prospects, Ives. That’s interesting and probably explains Tony Tchani. A well scouted top guy like Dean isnt going to drop out of the first round on bad combine though is he?

      • Ives Galarcep
        January 13, 2014

        Dean won’t even drop out of the top five. As for Tchani, not sure he’s an example to use. Tchani was a beast in college and then dominated the Combine. Every team in the league would have taken Tchani with a high pick.

      • TomG
        January 13, 2014

        Yeah, that was a bad joke as a NYRB fan.

      • TomG
        January 13, 2014

        I’m not saying the combines are meaningless by any means and its certainly a major tool in evaluating guys who havent had much tv time or scouting, but in my thinking, it’s crazy to place too high a value on a small sample size over a large one. Anything can happen in a few days in the middle of winter, months after the end of the college season. Guys are out of form, some guys might not be as fit, guys might be playing out of position, they’re playing in an artificial environment where everyone’s trying to get noticed rather than trying to win a game, there’s no chemistry developed between these players. There are so many reasons why a guy might not be able to show his best. I would love to read an article on guys who starred and or flopped in the combines, guys who were uncovered, etc. that would be a great read.

      • Ives Galarcep
        January 13, 2014

        Tom, everybody knows this already. Teams know, I know, we all know you can’t put too much value into the combine, but the combine is also much more useful than you seem to give it credit for being. The Combine could be much better run, that’s for sure, and it’s far from a perfect way to evaluate players, but the people who know what they’re doing tend to do pretty well at finding talent in the draft, and a lot of times it’s players who had good combines.

        As for Combine flops and stars, we have seen PLENTY of players who were Combine stars that didn’t quite pan out. There are a bunch of those. As for players who were absolutely terrible at the Combine, I can’t think of many of those who went on to become stars. Omar Gonzalez had a shaky first day. There have been playmakers who struggled but still could show some skill. But flat-out Combine flops generally tend to wind up being pro flops. Like the idea though, might have to look into that one.

      • TomG
        January 13, 2014

        Cool, thanks for the response, Ives! I’m a bit surprised there aren’t more top guys that flop given the time of year and artificial setting.

      • K-Town
        January 14, 2014

        Would love to see a story correlating combine to pro performance.

      • TomG
        January 14, 2014

        And draft correlation, too. Best picks ever? Worst picks ever? Best and worst drafting franchises?

      • TomG
        January 13, 2014

        Quick question in reading your comment, Ives. You said the league doesn’t scout them at all, but I’m assuming that the teams have heavily scouted them or they wouldn’t guarantee to pick them, right?

      • Ives Galarcep
        January 13, 2014

        One team could have seen a player enough to believe he’s worth having in the draft, but teams have been very wrong before on that. Your concept of the amount of scouting that goes on is wishful thinking and not nearly as involved as you might think. Certainly not with all players. Teams aren’t at the point yet where they’re devoting the kind of resources to college scouting that you would see in the NFL or even NBA.

      • TomG
        January 13, 2014

        Gotcha. Interesting stuff. I know the scouting network historically has been pretty thinly stretched. Growing up, I had a buddy from Colombia that was an amazing technical player, but he never got a decent shot. He seemed to me to have much more technically than most MLS guys at the time. I thought by now there would be a lot more intense coverage, at least with the potential GA guys. As always, great to have your insider’s info and insight.

    • adam
      January 13, 2014

      what about the notion that GA players shouldnt struggle? you’re pulling them out early for what? they should be guys that are ready to play right away, otherwise they’re better suited staying and saving the league money, no?

    • Rex
      January 13, 2014

      It wont happen. A great athlete like Hairston who is still young and free for teams there is no reason not to take a chance on him. MLS coaches know the draft, just like in all sports, can be a crap shoot, so why not take a wager on someone with house money?

    • Ives Galarcep
      January 13, 2014

      Every GA player in this draft will be drafted and I doubt any aren’t drafted in the first two rounds. Closest we’ve seen to having GAs not drafted were Danny Cruz and Sean Johnson, but both were taken late and have put together some good careers.

    • Derrick
      January 13, 2014

      Probably loaned to a NASL or USL team.

  2. Rex
    January 13, 2014

    “Reviews are mixed on the young Designated Player centerback” I dont get the DP part?

    • Ives Galarcep
      January 13, 2014

      It was a mistake, come on Rex. Was working on an interview with Michael Bradley and wires crossed. It happens.

  3. Christian
    January 13, 2014

    Ives – Any thoughts on how you think Zach Bolden from the University of Denver looks?

    • Marc
      January 13, 2014

      I was there for the first game and he looked good. Scored a goal. I definitely see him getting drafted and earning a contract somewhere. Can’t say how he did on the second day though.

  4. 8stars
    January 13, 2014

    How have the trio of IU guys looked? Think they’ll all go in the first two rounds?

  5. M
    January 13, 2014

    Andre Lewis and Michael Seaton two young talented players in the Jamaica pipeline. MLS is making CONCACAF better

  6. Ben
    January 13, 2014

    Can you tell me anything about Josh Wood? He is one of two players from D-III and played HS where i live currently. I know he was the National D-III player of the year, but who knows how good that is because of his competition.

  7. TomG
    January 13, 2014

    Hey Ives, I was just listening to another podcast which shall remain unnamed and they introduced a segment with Travis Clark naming him, “the Mel Kiper of the MLS Draft!” What!!??? Don’t you have that trademarked?? I eagerly anticipate announcements of lawsuits, deathmatches, slap fights, severed horse heads, octagons, hells in cells, rocks, papers, scissors, heck, at least a good, old fashioned twitter war. Keep us posted.

    • Quit whining about soccer in the US
      January 13, 2014

      Mel wishes he was the Ives G.

      Good stuff Ives.

  8. T. Dillon
    January 14, 2014

    The combine is important for “tangibles”.
    As for intangibles one’s college career is
    the true “tangible” key.

    Of all the sports games, soccer, in my
    humble opinion, is the consummate team
    game. This is the 2nd biggest reason
    soccer has a solid chance to replace
    Football as America’s game in the not so
    distant future. We all know what the #1
    reason is presently.

    Team players will rule going forward for
    soccer. And “team players” are, for the
    most part, loaded with “intangibles”.

    What says you Ives? Please weigh in.

  9. rexdale
    January 16, 2014

    tomislav zadro is one of the best players in the draft if not the best player in the draft. who ever takes him will get a quality player who has amazing soccer IQ . he has played soccer in croatian soccer league. he as also played for chicago divison 3 and his first season he finished with 20 goals and 22 assists – 44 points in 28 games named divison 3 all american his first year playing in the states. followed up his second season with a good year then transfered to wisconsin where he set school records and helped them to their first big ten tournament. he was named big ten offensive player of the year two out of the three years he has been at wisconsin. he was injured one year or he probly would of won big ten offensive player of the year all three years. he was also named to big ten offensive player of the week multiple times. these combines dont really mean anything . his career speaks for it self.

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