Soccer Saturday: Your Running Commentary

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The Fourth Round of the FA Cup continues Saturday with a large slate of matches involving some of the English Premier League’s top teams and some potential Cinderella stories in the sport’s longest-running tournament.

The day’s action starts with Championship side AFC Bournemouth’s home match against Liverpool, who are currently hanging onto fourth place in the EPL. Bournemouth have lost just one of their last seven matches, so they will look to keep that form going against one of England’s highest-scoring sides. After a disappointing draw with Aston Villa last weekend, a victory Saturday could give Liverpool the momentum they need heading into next week’s derby match against Everton.

Sunderland’s match against non-league Kidderminster Harriers highlights the mid-day matches in the FA Cup. Jozy Altidore and the Black Cats are coming off a penalty kick shootout victory against Manchester United that put them into the Capital One Cup final — can they avoid a disappointing upset against the underdog Harriers?

In matches outside of England, first-place Juventus visit Stadio Olimpico to face Lazio in an important Serie A fixture. Later, second-place Cruz Azul’s matchup with fifth-place Veracruz will kick off a night of action from Liga MX.

If you will be watching today’s action, please feel free to share your thoughts, opinions and some play-by-play in the comments section below.

Enjoy the action. (Today’s TV schedule is after the jump):

7:45am – AFC Bournemouth vs. Liverpool – Fox Sports 1

9:30am – SC Freiburg vs. Bayer Leverkusen – GolTV USA

10am – Real Madrid vs. Granada – beIN Sports USA

10am – Sunderland vs. Kidderminster – Fox Sports 1

10am – Bolton vs. Cardiff City – Fox Sports 2

10am – Southend United vs. Hull City – Fox Soccer Plus

11am – Guingamp vs. Paris Saint-Germain – Univision Deportes

12pm – Napoli vs. Chievo – beIN Sports USA

12pm – Real Valladolid vs. Villarreal – beIN Sports en Español

12:30pm – Eintracht Frankfurt vs. Hertha Berlin – GolTV USA

12:30pm – Stevenage vs. Everton – Fox Soccer Plus

2pm – Valencia vs. Espanyol – beIN Sports en Español

2pm – Ajaccio vs. Sochaux – Univision Deportes

2:45pm – Lazio vs. Juventus – beIN Sport USA

2:45pm – PSV Eindhoven vs. AZ Alkmaar – GolTV USA

4pm – Sevilla vs. Levante – beIN Sport en Español

6pm – Cruz Azul vs. Veracruz – UniMás/Univision Deportes

6pm – Corinthians vs. São Bernardo FC – ESPN3

7:50pm – Costa Rica vs. South Korea – ESPN Deportes

8pm – Tigres UANL vs. Pumas UNAM – UniMás/Univision Deportes

9:05pm – Club León vs. Pachuca – Telemundo

10pm – Atlas vs. Club America – Univision Deportes

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438 Responses to Soccer Saturday: Your Running Commentary

  1. Bean says:

    LFC is starting their most valuable players three days before the biggest derby match of the season. Liverpool already have six starting players out from injuries. I can only hope that all stay healthy today, but why not start Roberto, and Aspas?

    • Citronomics says:

      Hopefully we’ll add to the scoresheet before halftime and then sub out a few starters. Would like to see Flanagan get some minutes.

      • Bean says:

        Me too. Flanagan has really showed that he can play in the EPL, and out of his favored position as well.

        It’s surprising that one of the most valuable players in the world is starting this match. (Suarez). I’m glad that Victor Moses is looking much better today.

        Are you losing hope in this transfer window yet? We need a LB, and a CDM badly. I would really like to see Henry spend some cash to try to get that UCL spot. He’d get $40M right back if he won a spot in Champions League. Suarez will be gone next season if we can’t get in.

        • Citronomics says:

          I’m a bit perplexed by LFC’s pursuit of Salah as I don’t see the need for another winger (not a comment on his quality) given Sterling’s form. And now with Lucas and Johnson out, we need reinforcement. In hindsight, wish LFC had bid for MB90.

          • Bean says:

            I agree. MB90 would have been great.

            The Salah deal was strange. Did LFC even make a bid? Sterling has been one of the best in league this season, so it was a strange move considering that the defense is the part of the team that needs help.

            Gerrard is almost done at this level as a starter. Sad times.

  2. l says:


  3. biff says:

    Two news stories in the German press about Jermaine Jones, with Schalke management basically saying he will never play for Schalke again so he better find a new team. One of the stories says that if he is unable to find a European club by Jan. 31 he would still be able to move to MLS after the European transfer window closes.

    link to

    • Joe C. says:

      Out of pure personal curiosity, do you speak German or do you just use Google Translate? I enjoy trying to translate these articles whenever you post them.

  4. Citronomics says:

    Sturridge! A little breathing room now for the Red Dragons. Time for Alberto and Flanagan to get some work in.

  5. Bean says:

    Let’s get ready for the Merseyside Derby now.

  6. usaalltheway says:

    Any news yet if Jozy will be starting?

  7. M says:

    Wil Packwood is starting today !!

  8. biff says:

    Fabian Johnson starting for Hoffenheim today at left back, which is where he will be starting for the USMNT in Brazil.

  9. Chris says:

    I look forward to everyone’s over analysis of Altidore!

  10. Observer says:

    Altidore almost had a great goal!

  11. Brad says:

    Near early goal for the Black Cats!

  12. Observer says:

    Altidore helped with the build-up to the goal. Somewhat decent chest pass, then the shot.

  13. Observer says:

    Jozy receives a pass at an awkward angle, then loses it.

  14. usaalltheway says:

    Jozy’s first touch was horrible there.

    Top of the box, gets the pass and then poorly gives it away.

  15. Chicago Josh says:

    Sunderland scores after 5 min. Jozy with the assist.

    • usaalltheway says:

      I don’t think that was an assist.

      He was part of the build up but it bounced around a little bit in the box before Sunderland scored.

    • Lorenzo says:

      Given that he is likely our best option up top, every shred of good play and confidence boosting play is good news. Especially confidence boosting.

  16. usaalltheway says:


    It’s been said before but I have to say it again: The Black Cats are a terrible team.

  17. Brad says:

    I know this might be blasphemous on this board, but a non league side I almost want to root for them!

  18. iggy says:

    anyone else finding the camera work on the sunderland game on FS1 just horrendous? It’s shaky, blurry.

  19. Brad says:

    Key word…almost. :)

  20. Observer says:

    A good run from Jozy to the near-post. Announcers are complaining about the out-of-form striker. Want him to be taken off already.

    • usaalltheway says:

      Yep. They are doing just that.

      Although he isn’t making a case for himself at all. HIs first touch has been miserable today.

  21. usaalltheway says:

    The announcers are tearing into Jozy right now.


  22. Observer says:

    Decent hold-up play from Jozy. Dishes the ball out wide.

  23. Chris says:

    Boy hate is flying out of the announcers box.

  24. l says:

    Has Jozy been cursed? This is the same guy who scored 31 goals last season in Holland. he should be scoring but for some reason he’s not

    • usaalltheway says:

      His touch has been awful this game.

      He has had great passes to him both at the top of the box and in the box.

      I am with those who are saying that it’s no longer time for excuses. Jozy just can’t cut it at this level.

      • Increase says:

        The non league level? So he has dropped to the amateur level now. dang.

        • usaalltheway says:

          Actually, yes.

          That give away in the box was criminal for a multi-million dollar professional athlete.

          He should have used that opportunity to make a strike. Instead, he gives the ball away rather poorly.

      • QuakerOtis says:

        I’d like to stick up for him, say that he just needs time, but he just hasn’t adjusted at all. Still has a poor touch. Still doesn’t make the necessary runs. Worst part is, I don’t think he’s lazy. He just doesn’t see the lanes, apparently doesn’t have the vision or awareness to find or create space. Might be allergic to the near post.

        • QuakerOtis says:

          Could be that Poyet told him to play a certain way, but I can’t imagine a manager wants you to pass up on creating opportunities. That also doesn’t explain his inability to handle quick/hard passes.

        • usaalltheway says:

          Yeah, that about sums it up.

          • QuakerOtis says:

            Although, watching Sunderland give the ball away consistently to an amateur side, I can see a bit of an excuse. It’s not like he’s training with Xavi. Improved or not, Sunderland is not exactly “next level” anything. Hope Jozy scores and proves me wrong though.

      • Chris says:

        Have you seen the way he has played for the USMNT before? To make a blanket statement like “he can’t cut it at this level” is ridiculous. Not to mention confusing because it’s not even apparent what level that is.

        • usaalltheway says:

          Yes, I have seen him play for the USMNT.

          It’s time just to accept it people.

          Jozy can’t cut it.

          He has had several decent passes to him that should have resulted in strikes. Not necessarily goals but attempts. Instead, he gives the ball away.

          • Chris says:

            I like how you disregarded everything I said.

            You are providing examples form this ONE game and telling me a player who has proven he is more than capable of “cutting it” can’t cut it.

            It’s painful reading what you write.

            • usaalltheway says:

              It’s painful that you can’t recognize reality.

              This isn’t based on one game.

              You are putting words in my mouth. That is a familiar tactic used by those who can’t argue the point.

              Whatever Chris. Believe what you want. Everyone has the right to their bad opinions. Just try not to abuse the it.

              He needs to step it up. Period. This isn’t exactly Arsenal or Man City.

              • Chris says:

                All of your comments directly referenced one game, sorry bud. Perhaps you were thinking of past performances, but you weren’t typing that.

                And again, just because you vehemently believe your opinion and attack everyone else doesn’t make your’s true. It’s sad how you can’t handle people responding to you the way you do to them.

                Enjoy having your bad opinion.

              • Gary Page says:

                Would you say that Jozy can cut it in Holland? Can he cut it when the US plays Bosnia? Your statements sometimes border on the ridiculous.

              • ronniet says:

                I dont know if its just me but I’ve noticed all your negative comments/energy are concerning jozy which is unfortunate. He’ll figure it out hopefully and if he doesn’t then he’ll be moved but I just dont get the persistent negativity towards the man! I’d almost rather you come out and say you hate him and get it over with so your not looked at as trolling

          • CroCajun1003 says:

            Juan Mata “can’t cut it” at Chelsea.

            Adebayur couldn’t cut it at Tottenham under AVB.

            Early in the season, Johnson couldn’t cut it at Sunderland.

            Players have bad runs of form. Even great players. Players struggle to fit into systems. Even great players.

            The Jozy that played against Bosnia was incredible. The Jozy playing for Sunderland right now is not very good. But don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.

            • Roy says:

              It may not be mentioned, but this is twice for Jozy. The business side is he bombed out at Hull and now Sunderland.

              Let’s hope he does better, but maybe we’re seeing his performance ceiling at the club level. There is nothing wrong with having an awesome career in Holland.

        • Brolo says:

          Chris it goes both ways. We shouldn’t forget the summer he just had but prior to that’s he was on one of his infamous droughts. The droughts seems like they are more the norm for him

        • Stir Crazy says:

          Well it’s pretty apparent after two spells tha he can’t cut it in English football and that can’t be argued.

          If plying with “selfish” midfielders is what started putting doubt on his psyche to the point that it’s come to this, then I’d say he couldn’t cut it on a lot of top levels

      • Tyler y says:

        It doesn’t seem like he tries hard enough to get open. A lot of walking around. At this rate he is only gonna score on a header from a cross.

        • Nic D "the TX 2 Stepper" says:

          So you’re assuming that yhey are gonna actually cross the ball …

          Every ball that comes in is straight into the keepers box or a straight ball that no one can get on the end of or an over hit cross beyond the back post

          Sunderland football club is a terrible team

    • Anthony says:

      there is a reason why Eredivisie strikers are rarely rated

  25. Observer says:

    Jozy helping with the build-up. Good passes.

  26. byrdman says:

    What was Di Canoi thinking when he assembled this group of black cats?

  27. Lorenzo says:

    By the sounds of it if Jozy scores a great goal the announcers
    are going to say: “Goal Sunderland. Great play by the blackcats on that build up, even Altidore couldn’t miss”

  28. Observer says:

    I know people do not like how Jozy is playing, but I would not doubt his abilities. He has cold streaks and hot streaks, and I would rather have his hot streak start during the summer. Like last year.

  29. Increase says:

    Ohhh, Neurnburg might win something. They have like 11 draws this season. If some of those draws become wins they will easily stay up.

  30. beachbum says:

    has Jozy had the ball played to him in the area yet, 30th minute. not even talking about a dangerous ball, just the ball

    • usaalltheway says:

      Yes. Several times.

      He had the ball passed to him at the top of the box several times and a very decent pass to him in the box.

      • beachbum says:

        several times in the area? no way, come on man

        • usaalltheway says:

          One time in the box and about four times at the top of the box.

          I swear it man.

          His poor touch has let him down every time.

          • beachbum says:

            one time in the box. OK, I’ll buy, one time. I think they scored a goal on that one time. is that accurate?

            • usaalltheway says:

              Wait, that makes two times then.

              He had the ball, passed to his feet, in the box and then gave it away poorly.

              I am telling you man. He should be doing much better.

              • beachbum says:

                how man? what should he be doing way better?

              • usaalltheway says:

                It would be nice to just see him get angry, use his strong body and get himself a goal.

                He can do better. He should do better.

                He has had the passes to him today. He just hasn’t done anything with them.

              • beachbum says:

                he does not have the passes to him today. we just proved that above in our dialogue! and your only advise on what to do better is get angry? come on

              • Stir Crazy says:

                How many times as the sentiment been made clear, that despite s**t service! he should take the game by the scruff of the neck and create chances for himself and score a goal maybe?

                How many games have we pleaded aloud for that to start watching him dive for calls in advanced areas like he weighed 120lbs?

                If he had it in him he’d make it happen, bottom line.

      • beachbum says:

        would love to see them target him every time down and see what happens

        there he is outside the area to get a touch, and nothing of it. he looks frustrated.

  31. Increase says:

    I liked that counter “attack” by Sunderland where they get 2/3s of the way across the field then get scared and make a bad back pass which gets taken.

  32. Observer says:

    Jozy is playing some nice passes. Holding-up the ball pretty well. His touch in close-quarters is a little-iffy, but otherwise, not a bad game.

    • Increase says:

      Always has been. I figure that’s why he does a lot of flick-ons. It keeps the ball moving and negates his weakness.

  33. gtv says:

    Hate to say it, but once (I’m not watching now) when Jozy got the ball in some space it did sound like the crowd was booing him. Of course they could have been yelling “shooooot!” but if so, it was sarcastic, because he really wasn’t in a position to shoot. Anyone else pick up on that or am I being overly sensitive to Jozy’s plight? :)

  34. Observer says:

    Altidore gets by one defender, but then loses the ball to another. His touch in close-quarters is still iffy. The announcers are saying he needs to get inside the box more. He should not be helping with the build-up.

    • QuakerOtis says:

      Bingo. And I don’t know why he refuses to use his long range shooting. Not like he can be singled out for wasting a chance on this team.

  35. byrdman says:

    exactly where are these crosses from out wide that I hear the announcers talking about in their criticism of Altidore. “He should be in the box attacking them.” Its hard to attack thin air!

  36. Observer says:

    Altidore with a nice lay-off at the top of the box.

  37. beachbum says:

    awesome layoff there first touch from Jozy, his buddy flailed on the shot, top of the 18

  38. Observer says:

    Altidore loses the ball at the right corner.

  39. byrdman says:

    The pace of ball movement from Sunderland is very poor. Nothing creative, imaginative, or different.

    • Chris says:


      In the case of someone like Altidore, he clearly does better when his teammates are actually capable of playing soccer (i.e USMNT, AZ). We knew this already, from his stint at the putrid Hull City.

      I know it would be nice if he could succeed despite the talent around him, that doesn’t seem to be the case. Put him on a good team and the man can score goals. He’s proven that.

      It might not be what everyone on this comment section (usaalltheway) wants, but it’s true. He will do fine at the World Cup, mark my words.

      • usaalltheway says:

        Looks like I have gotten under your skin, seu babaca.

        Chalk up another victory!

        I am the one who is “immature”.

        I like living rent free in your head. Lots of space. 😉

        • usaalltheway says:

          And* I am the one…


        • Chris says:

          LOL at this mess of a response. I find you cute and adorable.

          • usaalltheway says:

            God, there really is a lot of space up there.

            Did you hear that??
            That is sound of my point going right over your head.

            Your parents must be proud.

            • Chris says:

              “Looks like I have gotten under your skin, seu babaca.

              Chalk up another victory!

              I am the one who is “immature”.

              I like living rent free in your head. Lots of space.”

              That response had a point? I feel bad for YOUR parents. Must be hell with you in their basement.

            • Ted Lasso says:

              You are by far the most annoying person on this site.

          • Stir Crazy says:

            Your title is so anonymous I don’t know who’s words I’ll mark, but it’ll be pretty amazing if this doesn’t affect his football.

            It’s also very hard to compare him to any place he went prior to his spell at AZ. He was 19 when he went to Hull, but if you wanna use that logic, well then the Spanish second division and Bursaspor in Turkey are nothing but crap teams and that’s why Jozy didn’t see the field or didn’t score.

            But that’s BS. He might not be playing with the best in the world, but these are players who with pretty impressive resumes and the bottom line is that they don’t give him the ball like you’d want it, or me (not to mention Jozy) because they don’t trust him.

  40. Chris_B says:

    The announcers: “Altidore’s confidence is as low as a snake’s belly”. I can’t say I disagree with them. His play at this level (even against not league English team’s) is to put it politely, inconsistent.

    • usaalltheway says:

      Thank you!!

      Jozy should be doing much better.

      • Nate says:

        you should change your handle. hard to imagine a true us fan so unrelentingly critical of one of our most promising players. If Jozy is so terrible, why does he lead the team in assists, ahead of “quality” players like Adam Johnson and Steven Fletcher?

        • EspinDOHla says:

          Most definitely. That fool is unbelievably annoying on this website. Being critical of a player is one thing, reading repeatedly how terrible a US player performs is another. The schtick gets old quickly.

          Ives, can we get an IGNORE button on this website???

        • Gary Page says:

          I think he must be a Mexican tr0ll who used to post a lot on another site but gave it up there because he got dissed so much when he was proved consistently wrong by events.

        • Stir Crazy says:

          Those guys have something more importance on the stat sheet though, do they not?

          I don’t give me something about it’s the same thing. No it’s not. Scoring goals would be the same thing because he’s a striker not a midfielder and he’s not doing it and doesn’t even look to know how to go about scoring goals, so as a USMNT fan you have to say, “this doesn’t look to promising”

          • Nic D "the TX 2Stepper" says:

            Like what, goals?

            If Jozy took as many shots from over 20 yards as the rest of his team he might have a few goals as well.

        • QuakerOtis says:

          I got on him in the same way regarding his overreaction to Camp Cupcake’s scrimmage loss to Sau Paulo. But this is different. It’s fanboys who support Jozy at this point. A discerning fan of a team knows when the team is good… and where it leaves something to be desired.

        • Jesse D says:

          Honestly guys, I have watched nearly every sunderland game this year only because I want to see Jozy play. He does not look very good right now. The fans and the announcers are all over him. I’ve never, never, been one to call him lazy… Today him be unimaginative, stay in the box and making the same 2 the inside post all game. I also saw him be lazy. He had a pass that was hit behind him when he had an opportunity to be in on goal. Rather than turn and go get the miss hit pass (which he could have) he threw his hands in the air and walked back. He is frustrated, not playing well and just got shutdown by a 4th tier English club. Sure you can point to his teammates, but against a team of that quality he should make some of his own chances.

  41. Todd Marsch says:

    Altidore right now reminds me of Brian Ching in his USMNT appearances–holds the ball up well, combines well with his teammates, but isn’t dynamic enough or aggressive enough to pose a danger to score consistently.

    Of course, Sunderland’s ball movement hasn’t done him any favors. They’re moving the ball too slowly and not putting in any good crosses.

    • beachbum says:

      “Of course, Sunderland’s ball movement hasn’t done him any favors. They’re moving the ball too slowly and not putting in any good crosses”

      it’s every game. posted the same thing below

      • Stir Crazy says:

        he should be able to create chances for himself but he’s so bewildered about it he’s lost all of his confidence.

        He’s a target man and part of his job to lay off balls in an advanced area. He does it well, thus the assists, but that’s only half the job, so in all I’d call it a bad job

    • James says:

      Altidore doesn’t hold the ball up well, he losses it to often with his back to goal.

    • Skyman says:

      If this keeps up I predict a return to MLS, eventually at least, where he will shred…….wish I thought differently, but strikers require certain skill sets that Jozy doesn’t excel at like we were hoping. It’s alright……we will get our world class striker some day, just may be another decade

    • Birgit Calhoun says:

      Brian Chingwhen to retire. Does your comment mean that Altidore is ayounger. But he bout ready to retire?knew played really well when he was

      • Birgit Calhoun says:

        Something didn’t come out right: I’ll try again: Brian Ching knew when to retire. Does your comment mean that Altidore is on the road to retirement? Brian Ching played really well when he was younger. He was among the best players when he played for the Earthquakes.

    • Jesse D says:

      Altidore has no feel for the ball in the air. He can not time his jumps to get his head on the ball. He missed several opportunities to put his head on the ball today. It is something I see with regularity from him, he is not good at finding the ball with his head. Brian Ching was very good in the air. They are not similar at all to me.

  42. beachbum says:

    hope Jozy gets moved underneath to allow Sunderland to move the ball side to side quickly with the simple one touch passes they suck at, to move the D and create the pockets. All the Sunderland midfileders take 2, 3 touches every time, a high school team can recover when you give them that much time

    • Todd Marsch says:

      Yeah, I haven’t watched them in a while, because, frankly, it’s depressing, and it’s just not good soccer, but it’s crazy an EPL team can’t seem to play faster. You could probably count the number of one-touch passes they successfully executed on one hand.

      • Gary Page says:

        When Jozy was in Holland and ready to move, I thought the Bundesliga was the best venue for him. I think that is still true. I think a mid table German team would be a good spot for him and I believe his style fits best there.

  43. Nick says:

    I think the lesson learned here is never ever trust the performance of a striker in the Dutch league as an indicator of anything

    • Laszlo says:

      Really? Have you ever heard of Luis Suarez, Brazilian Ronaldo, Ruud Van Nistelroy, to name a few?

      • Nate says:

        or romario, or bergkamp, or van basten…

      • QuakerOtis says:

        Question: do we rate them for their performance in the Eredivise, or elsewhere?

        • Nic D "the TX 2Stepper" says:

          We rate them for all they did which does not include scoring in La Liga at 18, scoring in the EPL at 19, scoring 30 goals in Holland and struggling with Relegation fodder once they moved.

          Not One of the men mentioned above played on teams as bad as Hull or Sunderland.

          So what was your point again?

    • whoop-whoop says:

      I honestly believe Jozy has the tools to be a low to mid table in a top European League. He isn’t however, close to being a world class striker the likes of a Suarez who can run at defenses, create his own space, make something out of nothing. Like most mid to low table players, his game has holes in it technically and he isn’t over powering physically or particularly fast. That being the case, like many players, he is very dependent on being put into the right system, surrounded by the right players.

      Sunderland never seems to have multiple threats and movement inside the box, are perfectly content to slowly side and back pass from outside, run out of ideas and put up a weak shot from 30 out. A striker looking for the ball in the penalty area will inevitably be draped by 2 defenders with no help, no runs near by to make space. Honestly, they look like the US a year and a half ago when Jozy nor anyone else could buy goals. No pace, movement, or wing play out wide to keep the defense honest. Jozy can and should do better than he has, but I am afraid with his skill set, that wouldn’t manifest in the form of lots of goals, but certainly more consistent play and being more of a threat. Short of a Van Persie or Suarez, not too may strikers in the EPL would be pouring in goals alone JA.

      If there is a lesson, it is that you best pick your spots/situation/playing time carefully regarding system etc going into a top league. Going against the best alongside inderior team mates is a monumental task. A better league isn’t always a better place to be. Meantime, this truly is an opportunity to fight through this and improve the holes in his game. At this point, it is critical he do so.

  44. James says:

    Jozy just doesn’t have the mental fortitude to play at this level. Its kidderminster for gods sake, throw your body around and be a menace at least. Really disappointed with Jozy this year.

    • usaalltheway says:

      At least one of you guys are getting it.

      I totally agree.

      He simply needs to do better. Enough excuses already Jozy. SCORE ALREADY.

    • Jesse D says:

      We can blame lack of talent at Sunderland all we want, but Jozy has not created his own chances and has not finished the ones he’s been given. He had a couple today against Kidd and he just completely missed the ball.

  45. byrdman says:

    Personally, I think Jozy is stuck between trying to do what Poyet wants and just letting himself play freely. Make runs off ball like he did at AZ. But when he makes those runs there is no one capable of making the required pass. Its a tough spot for him. I wish Sunderland would sign a mid field with aggression and pace,like Jermaine Jones. Don’t know if he is the right one, but someone who plays that way would go along way to help this group.

    • Nick says:

      Haha what a homer comment

      • Byrdman says:

        I guess i wasnt clear. I dont think Jozy is doing either. He is lethargic and he seems to be thinking about everything instead making instinctive runs like he has dine in the past. I agree with earlier comment. He is a scottie Pippen not a Michael Jordan. Bad analogy probably. But he requires good players around him to play his best. Not able to make others better.

  46. Observer says:

    So, my question to all of the USMNT supporters and to the BPL/EPL supporters is:

    Is Jozy really developing better as a player playing in the BPL/EPL?

    Everyone says that this is the best league in the world, so playing in the league would allow him to develop into a better player, correct? Is he not as good as people think?

    • Increase says:

      Meh, just stop watching. We will all feel better.

      • Observer says:

        What do mean? So, he is not as good as people think?

        • Increase says:

          I mean if we stopped watching we would stop stressing out.

          I mean instead of indulging in misery we should all be watching Man City choke.

          • Observer says:

            I am watching both. That is the pleasure I can afford by watching streams. :)

            Plus, this is a “soccer” website — meaning that people care about American players.

    • Nick says:

      His next step of development should have been Germany. No one comes to England and develops…

    • usaalltheway says:

      I guess isn’t as good as we thought.

      Yeah, Sunderland is bad. Yet somehow others on the team manage to score a few goals here and there and make something of it. Why can’t he?

      He will be better on the USMNT because our midfield is better but Jozy isn’t up to the level of the PREM.

      • Observer says:

        Should he request a transfer now? Wait until after the World Cup?

        What if he performs well at the WC, and a better team in the EPL wants to give him a shot? Like Everton or Newcastle? Should he shy away from it?

        Sometimes, players play better on the international level than on the club level.

        • usaalltheway says:

          I guess he needs to stay put.

          He made this bed and now needs to lie in it.

          Hopefully he can get out of England and go to Italy. That style of play is perfect for him.

      • Chris says:

        “Yet somehow others on the team manage to score a few goals here and there and make something of it. Why can’t he? ”

        You’re just wrong.

        Only two players on the team have “a few goals” in league play, and that’s Fletcher and Johnson.

        Jozy is the team’s assist leader. It’s safe to say they would be in an even more dire spot without him.

      • Stir Crazy says:

        “Yeah, Sunderland is bad. Yet somehow others on the team manage to score a few goals here and there and make something of it. Why can’t he?”

        ^ THIS

    • James says:

      Its hard to develop when you have no confidence and don’t poses the mental strength to change it. As a usmnt fan I wish he would have stayed at AZ.

      • matt says:

        Aron Johansson wont last at AZ much longer. He is going to score 30 this year and looks very good doing it.

        His first touch is light years ahead of Jozys. Not as physically imposing but it doesnt matter.

  47. Observer says:

    Altidore moves the ball well. Weaves between a few defenders.

    • Beeny says:

      Yes, and the announcer says he should have done a simple pass forward. LOOL He just can’t win even when he does well. If he scored in this game, it will be only because it was against a side like Kidderminster.

  48. usaalltheway says:

    Is Jozy chewing gum???

    Is that such a good idea when you are PLAYING A GAME???

    This isn’t exactly baseball.

  49. matt says:

    Aron Johannson is the better player. no doubt.

    • Observer says:

      But, he plays at AZ in the Dutch league. It is such a poor league compared to the EPL/BPL, right?

      Just by playing in the EPL/BPL, Jozy demonstrates that he is actually better, because he is playing better competition.

    • M says:

      Yea it’s the back up quarterback syndrome

      • matt says:

        No its observing his touch, his vision and his movement.

        Its better. Even in the US national games that Aron has played.

        Jozy is just big and physical and thats great and all but ultimately he is our emile heskey.

        Ill take our michael owen.

        • Nate says:

          why do you think we need to choose between jozy and aron, or feel the needto compare them?

          im also curious about the us games you watched where aron’s touch, vision and movement were “better”… Do you know something Klinsmann does not?

          • Stir Crazy says:

            Wtf? In his appearances it VERY evident. I don’t know exactly what your intentions are with that comment, but his technique extremely good and the higher up the ladder you climb on the club level, the more important it is to be successful

  50. l says:

    can US strikers score consistently in EUROPE?

    why is Jozy so poor in the PL?

  51. M says:

    Even the announces are beginning to see that it’s not just Jozy. Sunderland is just bad.

  52. M says:

    Announcers have backed off Jozy this half, most likely because he has not touched the ball.

    • beachbum says:

      thanks for noting that key reality in the analysis. still like Jozy better when he plays underneath on this team

      • Stir Crazy says:

        So not when he plays in an advanced forward role, but like a false 9? So basically as a midfielder where he can keep stockpiling those assists stats.

        Makes sense for the good of the team but not for Jozy

        • beachbum says:

          not all bad for Jozy, especially in the maturity category

        • beachbum says:

          and not as a false 9 but instead partnered up top so he can duck underneath and still have someone else stretching the backline deep to create space underneath. make sense? that’s when Sunderland and Jozy have looked best imo

  53. beachbum says:

    Giaccherini with a ball into Jozy that sails wide, but great look! first one today, and Jozy applauds

  54. usaalltheway says:

    Did you guys see Nuremberg (spelling?) is killing it at 4-0.

    There new coach is Jozy’s old coach at AZ.

    Also, I don’t think they have won a single game this whole year.

    And didn’t that same guy coach MB90 in Holland?

    • usaalltheway says:

      Their* new coach….

    • Increase says:

      Yup, dude knows how to score. But Hoffenheim also know how to let people score. I mean… Hoffenhein games always have like atleast 4 goals.

      • usaalltheway says:

        I see.

        Still, there seems to be something about that guy. He seems like a real quality coach.

        Maybe he’ll want Jozy back and can continue to teach him a thing or two more.

    • Tom says:

      “”And didn’t that same guy coach MB90 in Holland?””

      Who cares, really?

  55. Joe Quake says:

    Is Sunderland always this bad? This is my first game all year. Most MLS teams could take these guys.

  56. Shawn says:

    damn no wonder altidore does fight for the ball all the do is play the wings and take lonshots, and they cant cross either

    • M says:

      Sunderland has the most selfish group of players. They are the poster child for what’s wrong with English football.

      • Stir Crazy says:

        No their not. Man City is. Their the poster child for “this is what a disgruntled team in chaos looks like”

  57. matt says:

    Jozy wont be at Sunderland next year. He will be transferred to another league.

  58. beachbum says:

    look at that pathetic decision from Ba! Sunderland wins he turnover outside the 18, Jozy alone to played in in front of him, and Ba rips it high and wide!


  59. Chris says:

    Jozy wasn’t subbed off.

    It’s a miracle.

  60. Shawn says:

    this style of play is atrocious!

  61. TomG says:

    I’ve only just caught the match from the start of the second half but from what ive seen, I can’t begin to imagine what all the fuss is about. Jozy hasn’t remotely had any chance to do anything. He’s got four guys surrounding him in the box and the duffers Sunderland has on the pitch can’t get the ball within twenty feet of him. I’m not sure what some of you expect him to do. This isn’t a comic book. He can’t stretch his leg out twenty feet to the side and pluck the ball out of the air like Plastic Man.

    • TomG says:

      Maybe it was different in the first half? I’ve got it on dvr and will have to check it out later, but this is ridiculous.

      • Jesse D says:

        Jozy missed a couple early in the game should have scored twice in my opinion. In the second half he was almost non existent. We can blame that on the midfield to some extent but he also needs to come up with some more dangerous runs.

    • Jon says:

      If you blame the crappy team, your a homer who doesn’t understand soccer.

      If you blame Altidore, your an ignorant hater.

      It’s the internet, this is what happens when you give people a forum for their opinions that do not deserve such a forum.

    • M says:

      Yep it is why the announcers are throwing the Sunderland team under the bus. Their MF is dreadful, uncreative, selfish no talented….

  62. The Garrincha says:

    What’s up with Chandler?, USMNT could really use him,
    He is finally 100 percent fit and in good form.
    Starting regularly for FC Nuremburg. Game winner today!,
    also seems like a great catalyst down the right flank winning corners, free kicks and performing dangerous crosses, all while playing lock down D.
    Easily out performed Fabian Johnson, albeit playing different positions, Chandler had a far greater over all impact on the game as a final 4 nil scoreline would suggest.
    Furthermore Chandler seems to be back in team mode, He truly seems well received and highly valued by his team mates. Plkease fix whatever is wrong with the Timmy Chandler Situation, He is a good player who would surley benefit the USMNT in Brazil.
    Chandler is also very familiar with the German side no doubt. He said it today post game interview, “eine grosses lernen spiel”. The Kid is really coming around.

    • matt says:

      Watch for chandler to make an appearance against Ukraine if he keeps this form up.

    • TomG says:

      Hopefully he has gotten over his selective bouts of fear of flying.

      • Gary Page says:

        And let’s also hope he can learn to adapt to hot weather conditions. He absolutely wilted in the game in Honduras.

      • biff says:

        @TomG: his fear of flying is a myth. If anyone has a link to a news article that states categorically that Timothy has a phobia of flying, please post the link here. He was quoted in G dot com last year saying he didn’t like to fly and had trouble sleeping on a plane. I’m sure the other guys who busted their bu++s last year flying in from Europe for WCQ games to do the dirty work just loved the flights wished the flights were even longer. But seriously, those guys most likely don’t like the long flights and jet lag but they did it for the shirt. Timothy didn’t.

    • ac31 says:

      Chandler has a terrible fear of flying so medicating him for brief breaks on international breaks is not a good option. It is hard to evaluate him in most training camps.

    • Benny says:

      USMNT personnel has been actually going to watch Chandler play in person since December. I would think you have to give him a call up, especially if he is on form.

      • The Garrincha says:

        Ditto!. and that fine young man I can’t remember his name?, who was born in Tampa/St.Pete.

        • The Garrincha says:

          Oh yeah, I got It, think I’ll just call him “Money”,
          because his last name is Green.

    • biff says:

      Gertjan Verbeek, current Nurnburg coach and Jozy’s old AZ coach, was not satisfied with a long string of Chandler’s performances before the winter break and was quoted in the German press saying he would like to bring in a right back in January “who makes us better.”

      (Last Paragraph)
      link to

      So even if Timothy had a good game today, it would be premature after 18 months of bad form to no proclaim him in good form. Let’s see what happens in coming games.

      As for Fabian Johnson, I don’t see how anyone in their right mind could even compare the talent and 100& commitment to the USMNT of Fabian and Timothy Chandler. Fabian was injured in a friendly (against Bochum, I think) a couple of weeks ago and had to leave the game. Possible he was not 100% fit today. Plus, contract is probably on his mind, as his ends in June and Borussia M’Gladbach want him (and not Timothy Chandler) and I would not be surprised if Fabian would be happy to make them move now rather than risk injury this spring playing for Hoffenheim as his contract winds down.

      • John says:

        Fabian only returned to training this week and went out of this match at half with an injury to his right hand.

  63. ATX_Colin says:

    Jozy seems to has lost his confidence and the confidence of his teammates. Hope he can bang in a few over the next couple of games

  64. Observer says:

    Good decisions today from the Sunderland midfield. That is about the 4th or 5th time a midfielder has decided to shot from 25 yds out or more instead of work the ball around.

  65. Rocco says:

    How is Jozy supposed to do anything when their sole idea is to ski the ball every time they get near goal?

    • beachbum says:

      most of us understand and see it too

    • Madden's Chin says:

      Well they passed to him often in the first half and he just turned the ball over. So, not sure what you want them to do?

      • beachbum says:

        thy did not, and certainly not in the area.

        • QuakerOtis says:

          Sorry, but yes, they did.

        • Madden's Chin says:

          Yeah, this isn’t up for debate. You either didn’t watch the first half or are intentionally lying.

          In fact, the number of times he received the ball in good position to take a touch and a shot is amazing for this team.

          He messed up every single one of them.

          • Nic D "the TX 2Stepper" says:

            Flat out lies. He touched the ball in the 18 twice. One pass was bounced around and the 18 year old finished it. The other was lost but recovered by Sunderland and promptly put in row z

            His other touches were no where near goal because he drop into the mf like a false nine to help the build up. He had one pass delivered to his feet where he was facing goal. This is when the crowd booed him for not pulling the trigger. I was p o ed that he did not pull the trigger as well

  66. beachbum says:

    is that a dozen blasts over the bar from 25 yards+ for Sunderland? nothing remotely close either, not one

  67. Rocco says:

    How is cattermole captain?

  68. Observer says:

    Jozy was open in the middle, but no pass to him. Would have been an easy tap-in, if it had gotten to him.

  69. Madden's Chin says:

    Man, his touch is not top shelf. He should have a hat trick against this level of competition.

  70. Virgil says:

    Gooch scored for Wednesday.

    • Laszlo says:

      Gooch with the second goal. Wednesday hanging onto a 2-1 lead, down to 10 men.

    • Joe says:

      Headed goal?

    • BrianK says:

      All the chatter about Jozy not being able to score,…and Gooch comes along and scores in his second appearance for the Owls,…playing defense.

      Jozy has to be careful,….his teammates will soon lose confidence in him.

  71. Observer says:

    The more and more I watch EPL teams like Sunderland the more and more I think the MLS is pretty comparable to the EPL. There are 6 teams that would probably dominate the table, but the other teams are pretty comparable to MLS squads.

    • Madden's Chin says:

      The best MLS squad is lucky to reach promotion playoffs in the Championship.

    • Clyde Frog says:

      Then how do you explain the disparity in salaries? The majority of Premiership teams simply have no clue when it comes to determining salaries?

    • Timmytwoshoezzz says:

      That’s like saying because you had season tickets to watch the Houston Astros last year, you feel like the Columbus Clippers & the Louisville Bats could play in MLB. Makes no sense…

      • Observer says:


        The Louisville Bats could take on the Astros. So, your comparison is dumb. Louisville native :)

        • timmytwoshoezzz says:

          You’ve made my point for me. You can’t look at a team like Houston, who was historically awful, and think that “since Louisville can beat them, Louisville can play in MLB.” Sunder land is complete crap, and an MLS franchise like Columbus or Chicago would be embarrased on a near weekly basis.

    • Maykol says:

      Lmao even sunderland wouldnt have too much trouble winning the mls cup.

    • Gary Page says:

      Top MLS teams might be good enough to escape relegation in the EPL, but one big difference is that most MLS teams are seriously lacking in depth, thanks to that ridiculously low salary cap.

      • Maykol says:

        I have my doubts that any mls team at the moment could avoid relegation. The only possible one i see is sporting kc and thats because they have such great defenders

  72. matt says:

    And Wilfriend Bony gets the double!!!

    Best striker from the Eredivisie last year.

  73. Clyde Frog says:

    Are we allowed to talk about anyone besides Jozy here? If so, is crediting Onyewu with a goal.

  74. ac31 says:

    Is Tim Ream playing at LB for Bolton?

  75. Shawn says:

    thew thing is his confidence is shot, but at least he makes smart passes and can hold the all better than the rest of the fools.

  76. Observer says:

    Jozy runs around.

  77. David says:

    Idk if any of ya’ll watched the Chandler vs Fab J game. Chandler pretty much dominated Fab J until he was replaced by Toljan also. His goal was pretty beast and idk I think he had assist on the last drmic goal

  78. JS says:

    Listening to the commentators beat up Jozy at every opportunity while giving complete passes to some of Sunderland’s hacks pass after pass is frustrating. At the end of the day, though, Jozy has to prove them wrong on the pitch or its going to keep happening.

    • matt says:

      The verdict is over for Jozy. He cant cut it in the top flight. Off to france or maybe germany at a midtable side.

      • usaalltheway says:


        I always thought Italy would be perfect for him.

      • Clyde Frog says:

        Are you suggesting Bundesliga mid table is a step down from bottom of the table Premiership?

      • TomG says:

        The verdict might be in for you if you don’t think Bundesliga is top flight. You know, they have this thing called th UEFA Champions League where the German teams have been consistently outperforming their English counterparts the last few years. You may want to watch it some time.

  79. Observer says:

    Jozy watches the ball being passed around.

  80. Sebastian says:

    These commentators could not be more critical of jozy.. Wanna know why he isn’t scoring? Because suderland have zero creativity and jozy needs that to score. He’s not the big target man that you want. Typical English play…

    • matt says:

      Wilfried Bony with the double today.

      Christian Benteke made it work last year for villa and is rounding into form.

      Either produce or get out.

      Back to Eredivisie or Germany or France for the josmer.

      Aron Bacon is the man now. Especially if he scores again today.

      No Adam Maher and bacon is on FIRE>

      • John says:

        Someone has a man crush

      • Sebastian says:

        You really just don’t like jozy do you? Every one of your comments is “against” him. I can understand where you’re coming from though. I think he needs a change of scenery..

        • matt says:

          He isnt made for the PL. Must be good with the ball in tight spaces.

          He would do fine in france or holland or MLS.

          • CroCajun1003 says:

            That’s ridiculous. The PL is all about physicality and playing balls in the air.

            What are you talking about?

            Drogba is not praised for his touch in tight spaces.
            Peter Crouch is not a wizard on the ball.
            Wayne Rooney is not known for his flicks and trickery.

            PL is all about power.

            I love AJ, but powerful he is not.

            • Matt says:

              Drogbas touch is light years ahead of jozys

              • CroCajun1003 says:

                Indisputable, but Drogba’s touch is not what made him a star in the PL.

                Admiring Drogba’s touch and ignoring his physicality is like describing a tsunami as “wet”.

                The PL is known for physicality and aggressiveness.

      • JS says:

        Remember when Jozy did the same thing last year? What were you saying then?

        • matt says:

          I thought he had found his level and was doing well. Felt he should try EPL or Bundesliga and if he failed then when knew what we had.

          A player with no first touch who is physical and needs to play slow average defenses to score.

          Aron is next. We shall see how he does when he moves up.

          • MJC-DC says:

            “A player with no first touch who is physical and needs to play slow average defenses to score.”

            It these kind of blanket statements that make it hard for people to take any of your analysis seriously. How do you explain his goals with the USMNT? Are they all scored against “slow average defenses” with “no first touch”.

      • chris says:

        i like Jozy a lot and ALWAYS want him to do well. But it’s true, Aron should seriously be considered as our #1 striker at this point.

        • Nate says:

          hilarious, so now scoring goals in the eredivisie makes you a legit #1 striker? I thought they “played no defense there”. Oh wait. Thats only when Altidore is the one scoring the goals with his “poor first touch.” My bad.

          • Gary Page says:

            Thanks for the dose of reality and negating my need to post. It amazes me how posters can focus on one game and ignore the past. I would like to ask people, how many caps does AJ have? He did score a goal against Panama, but compare that to Jozy’s scoring in qualifiers and the fact that Jozy played a lot in the last WC. The pressure in the WC can only be matched, I would guess, by an UEFA final. AJ hasn’t faced it yet while Jozy has. I’m not saying don’t play AJ, but it is ridiculous to ignore Jozy’s past accomplishments and throw him under the bus.

          • The Garrincha says:

            Truth spoken Nate, would have been great to have Jozy and iceman together at AZ. Imagine a season working together before the WC.

  81. Observer says:

    Jozy runs with his legs.

  82. Shawn says:

    Anybody else think altidore should play more on the wing?

  83. matt says:

    You guys are missing it. Jozy is never going to make it in the PL. He is gone after this year. It doesnt matter how well he performs this summer. He is a known commodity now. Good enough for a midtable side in a mid league like france or holland.

    Aron is the next hope.

    Jozy never developed that first touch. Ruined him.

    • M says:

      ? A mid table holland or France team would be a step up from Sunderland, not sure what you are saying

    • beachbum says:

      not missing anything, have watched all season. disagree on his first touch, has actually shown good first touch and one touch passing all season

      • Drewbles says:

        If you think a good first touch takes you 8 yards away from goal and/or gives the ball away, then I guess I would agree with you.

        • Nate says:

          if you think you can start and score at an international level with a “poor first touch” then you know nothing about soccer. I suppose drewbles and matt fancy their “touch” over Jozy’s

          • GW says:

            “if you think you can start and score at an international level with a “poor first touch” then you know nothing about soccer.”

            Ever watch Chicharito?
            To be fair to him and many other international regulars, except for the very top tier of players, first touch is not always consistent on every single touch for many internationals.

            I’ve seen Jozy display excellent first touch. And then sometimes he doesn’t.

            He would not have come this far if his first touch was as consistently horrible as everyone keeps making it out to be. Jozy is not that most fabled of things , a WORLD CLASS player.

            But he is perfect capable of being the #1 USMNT striker and possibly , of being a regular striker in the EPL.

            Dempsey scored for one goal in his first season in the EPL.

            Lukaku scored 0 goals in his first EPL season.

        • beachbum says:

          that’s not what I think a good first touch is. Jozy’s has come a long way and is not the problem on Sunderland

    • Vic says:

      99% of American players have inferior touch compared to S. American/European players. However, many of the younger Americans coming up now have better touch.

    • bryan says:

      Dude we get it. Stop spamming

    • KingGoogleyEye says:

      matt has become the new usaalltheway

  84. Joe B NYC says:

    He’ll stay in the Prem. He’ll just go to a team that wants to pass the ball to him like they did at AZ.

  85. Observer says:

    Jozy looks with his eyes.

    • usaalltheway says:



      Very funny man.

      Maybe the others on here don’t like your posts but they put a smile on my face.

    • Chris says:

      The fact that the above poster is the only one who finds your posts is funny speaks volumes man. Time to try a new shtick.

  86. beachbum says:

    Jozy runs near post and the ball is delivered far. have to start using my toes to keep count of how many times that has happened today

  87. Observer says:

    Jozy breathes through his mouth.

    • JS says:

      This wasn’t funny during the Sunderland – ManU thread either.

      • TomG says:

        Observer tries to be funny.

      • Observer says:

        I had a laugh or to, so maybe I can pass on the happiness. Everyone on here is over-analyzing his play, so this should make people laugh. Lighten up mate.

        • beachbum says:

          everyone? I don’t think so. I think some have determined their position with Jozy back in October and only see what supports that. typical of internet boards but only a part of it. others are much more balanced here thank goodness

        • TomG says:

          Observer tries to explain himself.

        • TomG says:

          I thought it was kind of funny when it was done the last time even though I was the one being mocked. Less funny and more annoying with each iteration, though, IMO. To each his own.

  88. M says:

    Ball passed behind Jozy ..crowd boos the pass, the run both?

  89. TomG says:

    Fantastic pass from Jozy to Borini. Deserved the assist there.

  90. M says:

    Sunderland execute a corner like a U 12 team, just dreadful

  91. matt says:

    Jozy may just go back to MLS.

    • Jason B says:

      I think he should. The reason for being in England is to play against the best and train against the best. Sunderland only provides good opponents, the rest of his team is terrible. He would have a better opportunity to express himself in mls. He would also have more touches during a game. If not mls then somewhere…. I can’t believe I was watching a “premier league” team. The style of play and lack of all aspects of soccer was terrible during that game. I’m in disbelief about a lot right now…especially because
      1) an American coach could build a better team than that
      2) most NATS would upgrade any position on that Sunderland team
      3) mls teams play better soccer than what I just saw (most)
      4) euros nobs support bpl teams like that over mls teams

      • Birgit Calhoun says:

        I thought Kidderminster played better than Sunderland during the last 15 minutes. Jozy needs to be a lot faster to be effective where he is. Has Jozy had any offers from MLS?

    • atd says:

      He should be so lucky.

  92. matt says:

    If Jozy doesnt want to go down to France or Holland again he may just go to MLS.

  93. usaalltheway says:

    Thank god that is over.

  94. Citronomics says:

    One thing I think is a pattern with Jozy is making the same near post runs. Maybe it wouldn’t make much of an impact with Sunderland midfield not being able to cross and wasteful long distance shots, but would like to see more variety in his positioning and movement – it’s becoming predictable and he’s not opening up channels in the box. Not a Jozy hater. Trying to make an observation and hope he grinds it out and succeeds.

    Cheers all

    • matt says:

      His EPL career is all but over. Sunderland are done with hi Will sell when they get relegated. .

      • BeardedSoccer says:

        Jozy apologists abound… It’s the coach, it’s the team, its the service… etc. The facts are he has played nearly a season and a half in the EPL and has not been successful. 48 EPL games and 2 goals… 2! As the #1 striker for a top 20 national team, its not good enough. For those who harken back to his play this summer, just stop. That Jozy is not this Jozy. That Jozy came off a great season high in confidence. This Jozy has zero confidence and he is not going to get it back anytime soon. The reason Jozy has “hot and cold streaks” is that he does not have the mentality of a #1 striker and that is something that wont change. He will always let us down on the biggest stage. Jozy is a C+ striker at best. I’m holding out hope Johannson can develop quickly.

        • Paul6 says:

          Let’s us down on the biggest stage? Like the 2011 gold cup where he was killing it before getting hurt? Or the 09 confed cup with a goal against Spain? Or the way he was manhandling John terry at the 10 WC? Or how he carried us at a crucial time this summer? The man is off form right now, no doubt, but to say he’s let us down on the biggest stages is false.

        • The Truth says:

          You are an ‘F’ poster no matter what name you use to post under here.

    • TomG says:

      Impossible to tell whether he’s not making the right runs or if he’s just doing what the manager wants him to do. Wynalda said he should split himself put wide just to get the ball. I don’t disagree, nut have n idea if that would be at odds with what Gus wants and get him in trouble. Fletcher isn’t getting the ball either and he’s an experienced, proven BPL striker, so I’m thinking it’s Gus’ system combined w poor midfielders but only someone on the inside could tell you for sure. So we are stuck with wild speculation, the specialty of soccer blogs. Ultimately, he’s a striker and strikers need to score goals. Objectively, it’s tough to see anything really wrong with his performance. You can always nitpick and find things, but most matches I see, his touches are overwhelmingly more positive than negative, so I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt. I understand it if people are frustrated, though.

      • KNPonder says:

        Great points. I am disappointed in the over-reaction of fans on here about Jozy’s play. You are bringing up a key point that people are missing: Fletcher is not scoring either. Fletcher and Jozy have pretty much split the time this season at forward. Fletcher has 3 goals and Jozy has 2. It would be one thing if Fletcher had 7 or 9 goals at this point. If that were the case, it would be very sensible for folks to say that “Jozy can’t cut it”. Say what you want about Fletcher but he has proven that he can score at the EPL level. There is obviously a reason why the forwards are not scoring and if you watch Sunderland regularly it is obvious: that midfield is dreadful. Today was pretty much a snapshot of what has been happening all season long at Sunderland.

    • MidWest Ref says:

      Ironically, a few posts above, a commenter stated that Jozy is not making a near post runs, but only far post runs.

      Intersting to me that our view points on every level are so different.

      • QuakerOtis says:

        It’s funny you mention that, because he started making those runs after I made the comment. Now it appears he won’t go far post. Real problem, apparently, is that he won’t mix things up. Won’t take chances. This makes him easier to guard, leads to fewer opportunities. This and his poor touch combine with a poor, selfish midfield to… well… produce the level of play we see at Sunderland every week.

  95. Bossman says:

    I don’t even know why I bother watching this games.

  96. Joe B NYC says:

    Jozy will be fine. He’ll go to either Italy or Germany and revive his career. Everyone forgets about Rossi at Newcastle. Or people just hate Jozy. Also, let’s not be so quick to condemn Jozy and put Bacon on a pedestal. If he doesn’t go to a top five team, he’ll have to deal with the same every-man-for-himself deal in the attacking third of the park…

    • Gary Page says:

      And Michael Bradley at Aston Villa. People were going to write him off there after a half season where he played very little and the gaffer played a dreadful player ahead of him. Well, that manager got the sack at AV, Bradley went to Chievo and starred. A lot depends on the manager and the situation.

      • Nate says:

        fantastic point. u.s fans are way too hung up on league status when evaluating us players. I think that pressure led to dempsey and altidore making moves that werent necessarily in their interest. Donovan is the best proof that international quality is not necessarily determined by what league you play in. Dos Santos ( until recently) bounced from team to team yet performed for Mexico. Chicharito plays sporadically for Man U, but has struggled recently for Mexico. One does not necessarily lead to the other. Bottom line is MB90 and Jozy are the US team’s best players. The US team will thrive as long as they are both playing with confidence (regardless of where they play their club football).

        • QuakerOtis says:

          Good point. I’m concerned about Jozy at Sunderland, but I still think he should start for the Nats. JK won’t do it, but I like Jozy up top alongside AJ.

      • Joe B NYC says:


  97. Chris says:

    Sunderland is god awful. Just terrible. If we picked any one player from the team and only analyzed his performance we’d come to the same conclusions we have about Altidore.

    The team blows. It’s absolutely painful watching people focus in on Altidore and over analyze these performances.

    • Increase says:

      Hmmm, now that is true. Even the guy that scored gave away some backpasses. Sadly, I’m not sure our guy is any better than the rest of them.

    • Gary Page says:

      I remember watching a WC qualifier with Italy where they had a midfielder score the tying goal. His name is Giacharini (sp?). That same guy has shown flashes of creativity at Sunderland, but he hasn’t been playing that much or well of late. Well, if an Italian international is having problems at Sunderland, I think that illustrates that the problem isn’t a particular player, but the totality of the team.

      • Joe C. says:

        Interesting tidbit: during the game today, the announcers remarked that there were “six full international players” (or something to that effect) on the field for Sunderland.

      • GW says:

        Mr. Page,

        Sunderland has only one creative guy.
        Did you ever cut the head off of a chicken?
        Ki is Sunderland’s head.
        Without him they are just like that bloody headless chicken.

  98. chuck says:

    Jozy has zero confidence right now. The team around him is bad, but he isn’t doing much to elevate their level of play. A lot of people have a problem with Jozy’s touch, but I hate watching him because of his effort. Jozy could learn a lot by watching the effort Suarez(say what you want about his character) puts in every game.

    • usaalltheway says:


    • BeardedSoccer says:

      Sunderland is not bad anymore… can’t use that excuse.

      • TomG says:

        Clearly you didn’t watch this game. They were putrid. That might be offensive to putrid people but I can’t think of a worse word that would get through the filters.

    • GW says:

      Suarez has never played on a team this boring. Ajax, Uruguay, Liverpool were all a lot better.
      Jozy at his very best is a very good player not top class and it would have required at least one or two top class players to make that game anything more than more exciting than watching a butcher learn his trade.

      Jozy is a blade,not the guy wielding the sword.

  99. l says:

    What did his agent tell him exactly to convince him to join Sunderland over other relegation bait clubs like Cardiff or Crystal Palace or West Brom?

    Jozy just needs a few goals. He might go to Brazil and score some goals. He might not. But I recommend a move to France or Germany or Italy in the summer.

    • SD says:

      I don’t think he had much of a choice…Sunderland came in with the highest bid and AZ took it…he had to work out a contract with Sunderland….

  100. usaalltheway says:

    Well that was fun. Nothing like getting worked up over some football on a Saturday afternoon.

    Sunderland sucks. Jozy isn’t doing anything to help himself and everyone with their head on can see it.

    At least the sun is still shinning, right? 😉

    peace to you all

    It’s just a game of soccer after all.

  101. hudson says:

    Not to beat a dead horse, but Jozy’s confidence is completely gone. A move away from Sunderland now would be ideal but it’s not going to happen until the summer at earliest. Klinsmann has to be concerned that his top two strikers are way out of form at this point. It looks to me more and more like F. Johnson and Johannson will figure as key players in the World Cup if the attack is to have an bite.

    • Chris says:

      You’re beating the deadest horse there is.

      “Not to beat a dead horse…”

      (beats a dead horse)

      • MidWest Ref says:

        Bob Knight, who would beat a dead horse, revive it, beat it dead again and then talk to reporters about it like it was still alive, had the same problem. His wife use to tell him when she had enough with a short phrase that “the horse is dead.”

    • Michael Stypulkoski says:

      I’m confused by your post. Are you counting Dempsey as one of our top two strikers? If you are, okay. But he isn’t really a striker, and with the emergence of Johannsson it seems very unlikely that Dempsey will ever see substantial minutes as a pure striker with the US again (which is a good thing for everyone).

      • GW says:

        “the emergence of Johannsson”

        There is no evidence that AJ is better than Deuce

        He’s only scored one goal for the US and that came after the Panamanian defenders, as AJ himself noted, had stopped playing.

        For his club team he’s doing what Jozy already did. And Jozy did it two years in a row and most of you devalued both years because it was in Holland where no one plays defense.

        Or has everyone forgotten that? And Deuce has always been a better scorer than Jozy.

        AJ is great and is very promising but to suggest he has proven himself a better alternative than Dempsey for the USMNT is a bit much.

  102. MidWest Ref says:

    Is this a fair summary of the comments:

    1) Sunderland is not a good team
    2) our american forward is playing at the same level as his team
    3) we want Jozy to lead his team to higher levels of skill and results, but he doesn’t seem capable of doing so, either based on his skill level or his leadership level
    4) Jozy seems to be singled out for criticism, either on SBI because he is the focal point of our American viewpoint or by the myopic English announcers who refuse to criticize their english players
    5) Observer’s attempts at humor fall on deaf ears
    6) life goes on, except for Chris and USAALLTHEWAY who are alwys followed by grey clouds (chuckle)

    • Joe B NYC says:


    • Chris says:

      The comments not about the weather or USAALLTHEWAY’s Jozy-hate are by this Chris. There is more than one Chris on here.

      Also, +1.

      • Chrisalltheway says:

        I will respectfully start posting under this name, so as to not drag your name through the mud Chris.

        I’m actually quite up to speed everything soccer and enjoy a good conversation, but an obvious troll deserves to be trolled back harder ;D

    • biff says:

      @MidWest Ref (and other SBI regulars): I have no problem with usaalltheway or others who use the same user name each time they attack Jozy or express any other opinions I might disagree with. It is great to have robust debate about the game we all love. What I find irritating are the gutless passies who switch to a new user name each time they swoop in for attack. Perhaps SBI should consider requiring user registration to make it more difficult for the trall-la-las to keep switching names. It would be interesting to know how many pussters on this single thread have used multiple user names and how many of the Jozy bashers today were bashing him yesterday or the day before with a different user name.

      And you all know the saying, don’t feed the trall-la-las. Is best just to ignore posts under new user names that will be used only one time. A lot posts today by new names that will never be used again and those posters will be back tomorrow under different names. Maybe SBI should consider requiring user registration.

      • MidWest Ref says:

        Hey Biff. I hope everyone realizes that I appreciate your comments and those of Usaalltheway. I may not always agree, but in my opinion you express them fairly.

        Neither of you resort to the “you must not have played” or “when was the last time you watched. . .” bs that too many trolls use.

        I think that if people didn’t watch the games, they wouldn’t take the time posting their opinions,right?

        sometimes our posts give the appearance that people are upset . . . I think that this is the anonymity of the internet. . . for good or bad. sometimes a little humor and a little point that people are too serious is necessary

      • MidWest Ref says:

        I hope everyone realizes that I appreciate your comments and those of Usaalltheway. I may not always agree, but in my opinion you express them fairly

      • beachbum says:

        agree with you again biff.

        usaalltheway and I have some robust disagreements all the time but civil. I respect he’s not a spineless coward like the others you illuminated in your post

      • GW says:

        Using the same name very time is a sign of courage?
        You really are delusional biff. Sticks and stones.
        It’s not the name it is the content of the post .
        Your conspiracy theory bent and anti Bradley family bias would be recognizable under any name.

    • Gary Page says:

      That pretty much nails it. I would add Matt to USALLTHEWAY when it comes to knee jerk anti-Jozy comments.

    • The Garrincha says:

      el Garrincho, say’s, that’s as pretty fair and accurate summation there, MidWest Ref.

    • Michael Stypulkoski says:

      Regarding point four, American fans read far too much into American players being criticized. American fans have to realize that the English don’t look at nationality in soccer the same way we do. Consider the NBA – do basketball commentators overly criticize foreign players? Are they hesitant to criticize American players? The answer to both questions is obviously no. We tend to take criticism of Jozy or Dempsey or whoever more personally than we should, simply because there are so few of us playing overseas and so those who are over there sort of represent us as a soccer nation. We hear Jozy being criticized and take it as a slight against American soccer as a whole. It’s silly, but we do it.

      Also, there are only a few English players on Sunderland’s roster, so it’s insane to suggest that Jozy is being picked on for being a foreigner.

      For the record, I like Jozy and believe in his talent. But we are far past the point of blaming his poor production on his team or his needing time to adjust. Yes, Sunderland are awful, but Jozy’s lack of goals is simply stunning. Phil Bardsley (a defender, for crying out loud) has scored twice as many goals as Jozy this season. In fact, six players on that woeful squad have scored more goals than our man. He has proven his quality at the international level, but we may have to accept that Jozy just isn’t suited for the English game.

      • usaalltheway says:


        Great points. I completely agree.

      • whoop-whoop says:

        I agree with your post to an extent but can’t help but note that… when speaking of European players in the NBA, particularly post players, there is almost always an underlying implication that they are “soft”.

      • yea mon says:

        Actually until the arrival of the likes of Nowitski & Parker, Euro basketball players were generally ridiculed and considered “soft”

      • beachbum says:

        no matter how it is spun, he does not get served the ball. it’s beyond obvious, and whatever the reason Sunderland pathetically suck at that, Jozy needs that. It’s astounding that Jozy still leads that team in assists over all comps and revealing imo

  103. LOL says:

    At this rate Herc is gonna take Jozys spot away,,

  104. Dawn Kiebals says:

    Has anyone even noticed that Chandler and Gooch scored today? I could only stomach the first 25 comments about Altidore, then I skipped to the bottom.

  105. the original jb says:

    Sunderland is absolutely dreadful. I’m not sure I can watch another game from them even though I so want to see our precious few Americans in EPL play. Jozy’s challenge is to handle the frustration of playing with such a crappy team. For my part, I’m not worried about him performing at the World Cup. I think he will do well, score a couple goals, and if the team catches a few breaks, maybe have a breakout tourney. At club level, his biggest mistake was joining another team like Sunderland. Hopefully he and his agent will be more thorough when it comes time for his next transfer.

    • biff says:

      Not true, the original jb. Yes, Sunderland, although winning today, was dreadful today [Dislaimer: I did not see the full game, but a chunk of the first half and another chunk of the second half after my BVB Dortmund was humiliated by Augsburg and Sunderland did not look good.] But, pleez keep in mind, Sunderland today was playing mostly second-team players with a few first-teamers sprinkled in. Anyone who saw Sunderland beat Man U last week or has seen Sunderland fight in PL games since Poyet took over would not call this team dreadful. They are actually playing a nice brand of soccer with a huge will to win and a never say die attitude. Since Poyet took over I think they have lost only one game. Sunderland will survive and remain in the PL.

    • GW says:

      If your frustration stems from watching this Kidderminster game you should remember that while Sunderland’s first team is playing better they are not that deep.

      Ki was not there and he is the straw that stirs their drink. Kidderminster parked the bus as they say and Ki was probably the only Sunderland player who could have unlocked their defense.

    • the original jb says:

      Ok guys, I appreciate your comments. I will give Sunderland another chance and try to keep an open mind about it. I will of course always support our Yanks. It’s good to hear some optimism on here!

  106. Tiny says:

    my dream world cup starting 11 aron j, Julian greeen
    dempsey adu, donovan
    jones Bradley
    FJ,Gooch,Cameron, Chandler
    Howard Bench:Beasley,altidore,Gonzalez, dolo,mixx, edu

  107. Scoot says:

    agudelo looking lively

  108. Micah says:

    Hey all you Jozy obsessed folks! (I’m admittedly one too…)

    Have a look at this interesting article on Jozy from Sunderland fans. The comments are actually fairly positive and supportive.

    link to

    • usaalltheway says:

      Nice article.

      There are many on here who have argue the same exact points made in the article.

      Check it out guys!

    • Chris says:

      From the article:

      “I do think that the more ‘vocal’ people, who go out of their way to dismantle a players’ confidence, take it too far. I can’t imagine how taking to the internet to personally criticise somebody is going to fix anything. Neither will focusing all of your abuse on one man, when there are ten others on the pitch trying to win a game for Sunderland.”

      Some of you would do well to take note.

  109. Birgit Calhoun says:

    One thing not to forget is the fact that BPL soccer has to do with a lot of betting. Who knows who paid whom not to play well? The Secret Footballer talked about that in his book.

    • Ted Lasso says:

      I’ve already heard enough conspiracy theories on this site. This doesn’t quite surpass the one about Klinsmann’s anti-Lichaj bias stemming from a Polish background, but regardless, let’s keep pointless comments with no factual evidence to a minimum please.

  110. John says:

    Where’s all the Johannsson play by play we get with Jozy?

  111. Ryan says:

    The PSV vs AZ game has pretty exciting. End to end, quality passing and sub-par defending make for a very entertaining soccer. Aron has looked good and has been showing his footwork and first touch skills time and time again. I also had no idea Bryan Ruiz was loaned to PSV. He hasn’t looked half bad either. I know he has not been playing a ton for the Cottagers, but when he plays well he is quite talented.

    • Increase says:

      Maher isn’t as good as he was last year. It seems like he isnt getting away with the same runs and passes. Last year he looked amazing. This year with PSV not so much.

    • Increase says:

      AJ just clean out someone and I learned that they speak English on the PSV sidelines.

  112. John says:

    link to

    Brek Shea with a goal in a friendly match for Barnsley. I believe he has one more match in the Championship, on Wednesday before the loan ends. So I guess we’ll see if it’s extended or he goes back to Stoke at that point.

  113. Ryan says:

    Is Jozy’s hold up game that much better than AJ’s? I haven’t seen too many AZ games, but the ones I have he seems to be comfortable with his back towards goal,his distribution has been on point, and his touch is substantially better than Jozy’s. I have watched the majority of the Black Cats games this year hoping to see Jozy come into his own and I can no longer tell if he is just receiving no service, out of form, or just not a great loan striker on a weaker team. He has been getting chances on goal, but when they are there he scoffs most or is just unlucky with an unfavorable bounce or a great save. His passing has been ok at best, and would have more assists this year if his teammates could hit the broad side of a barn. In the USMNT 4231 I think I want the striker who can change a game on his own through creativity, speed and shot placement over a strong presence in the air and awful first touch vs quality teams. Verses CONCACAF I might feel different, but right now, for this world cup, I think AJ is our guy.

    • John says:

      If you look at most of Jozy’s goals over the summer, outside of the Bosnia match, they came from service from wide positions. Sunderland just has no one who can cross or center a pass in any form. Honestly I think all 4 strikers could come into camp on pretty equal footing and its going to be up to JK to figure out what works.

      • GW says:

        Not necessarily.
        JK prefers a lone striker. Which means there will be more responsibilities than just scoring goals.

        It is too early for roster speculation. There are four months left ; still plenty of time for the inevitable injuries to come and shape the roster.

  114. Joe A. says:

    Jozy needs to go to germany.

  115. Dough Boy says:

    Doesn’t Terrence Boyd and Racing Gent play tomorrow? I don’t believe their game is listed in the Weekend Preview.

  116. Benjamin C. says:

    The U.S. U-17s defeated Turkey, 2-1, to win the Aegean Cup. From highlights and reports, it seems that Wright, Gallardo, de la Torre, and the two Pusilics were the stars of the squad. Congrats to the squad for a good tournament performance.