FIFA approves Green’s request to play for USMNT

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It is now official: Julian Green can play for the U.S. Men’s National Team.

FIFA has approved Green’s change of association application, making him eligible to play for USMNT immediately, according to a tweet by U.S. Soccer Federation president Sunil Gulati. The approval clears the way for Green to make his debut for the USMNT when they play Mexico April 2 in Arizona.

Green had filed a one-time switch last week, choosing to play for the U.S. instead of Germany, where he grew up. Green, an 18-year-old winger who made his Bayern Munich debut earlier this season, had trained with the USMNT and was courted heavily by U.S. Soccer in recent months to make the switch.

“We are obviously thrilled,” USMNT coach Jurgen Klinsmann said in a statement. “We appreciate FIFA’s effort in getting his paperwork approved, and are excited to have him on board for the game against Mexico on April 2.”

Since 2009, FIFA has allowed a one-time change in national team affiliation for players who had previously played for a different national team in unofficial matches or in youth national team competitions if they held dual citizenship. Jermaine Jones and Fabian Johnson are other current U.S. Men’s National Team players to successfully file one-time switch applications.


What do you think of this development? Excited to see what Green can do with the USMNT? Hoping he starts against Mexico? Think he has a realistic chance of making the U.S. World Cup team?

Share your thoughts below.

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357 Responses to FIFA approves Green’s request to play for USMNT

  1. Reboot says:

    Just put him on the plane… does anyone really think he could do worse than Wondo, Boyd or EJ right now? I certainly don’t. Free ticket to Brazil for Mr. Green.

    • Increase0 says:

      Ya, that’s sorta the problem. If he does a good job in Mexico…. then all bets are off.

      • Ian says:

        Wait, what’s the problem with that? We need goals in Brazil. If Green provides goals, then sweet.

        • BumpBailey says:

          You all want to pin our hopes on a 17/18 year old kid? That plays in a youth/reserve league….. no way. That would do more harm than good… see past experiment David Regis…..

          The only reason Klinsi got him to commit was so he will be available to one, put a little(and i do mean a little) fear into Jozy/ Aaron/??? And the second and most important reason, Summer Olympics 2016 also in Brazil…. That is the plane that he will be on.

          • The Garrincha says:

            Perhaps a more accurate observation of JG’s play would be that of Donovan(played at Bayern & Bayer), he’s not taking his place though, there is more than enough room for two highly skilled attacking scoring/play makers. Actually it would be great to see more.

          • Ian says:

            I wouldn’t say anyone is pinning his or her hopes on Julian Green. He’s a talented youngster that we need to nail down. We’ve seen Wondo at the international level. He ranges from poor to just sufficient. He doesn’t excel. If I’m JK, I would trade Wondo’s seat on the plane for Julian Green’s future.

            • BumpBailey says:

              18 years old… a BOY against MEN….. on the largest stage in the world…. really?

              It’s a great plan if you want to crush the kids confidence and ruin him for the future…C’mon, he is 18 years old…

              I know he is a highly talented KID but he is not ready for the World Cup…. no matter how skilled he is, he is NOT ready to play against MEN… men that will kick the Wholly Bejesus out of him…. and most likely leave him crying for his mommy! Look at him, what does he weigh 130lbs????

              • Stinky Pete says:

                Clearly you missed the 2002 World Cup… you might want to check it out on youtube there are these guys… I think there names are Landon Donovan and Demarcus Beasly…. both young kids who showed up big time at the World Cup.

              • Rich D says:

                Relax, there was another little kid we had who was 18 during the 2002 World Cup in South Korea, his name is Landon Donovan and he did just fine.

              • Nate says:

                Just because you weren’t ready for the world’s stage at that age Bump, doesn’t mean you should subject Julian Green to your past abilities to handle the situation.

                I would also entrust our World Cup winning manager who debuted as a professional as a teenager to accurately assess Julian’s ability to contribute to the squad.

                But that would just be rational perspective speaking.

              • GW says:


                “18 years old… a BOY against MEN….. on the largest stage in the world…. really?
                It’s a great plan if you want to crush the kids confidence and ruin him for the future…C’mon, he is 18 years old…”

                You can sign up to die for the US at 18 years of age. War is the ultimate environment for ruining your future. Compared to fighting and dying for your country, the World Cup is a fun time.

                Not everyone grows up at the same rate. Young World Cup players:

                Pele 17, Michael Owen 18, Donovan 20, Thomas Muller 20, Franz Beckenbauer, 20

                And just for variety, Patrick Kluivert, Ajax , is the youngest (18 ) player to score in a Champions League final, in 1995.
                All those guys turned out okay as soccer players. Is Green in that class? We’ll see.

                “Look at him, what does he weigh 130lbs????”

                Bruce Lee, a guy who could take care of himself, weighed 135 pounds.

              • Expat4455 says:

                53, mine makes 54, 53 replies to a comment at SBI, THAT HAS TO BE A RECORD.

                Now, does anyone to bet me? I say Julian Green has at least the 2nd highest of “combined goals scored and assists” of any member of the USMNT in the 3 send-off friendlies and the first 3 group matches in Brazil.

                Please, I would love to make that bet against anyone who is very sure that he won’t. And especially against those here who loudly proclaim that he won’t even start or be on the team.

            • Paul Miller says:

              I don’t think Wondo had a seat to give away. The choice will be between Green and Bedoya or Zusi, or something like that. Wondo will be watching the Cup on TV like the rest of us.

              The one real hole we have is CAM. Donovan ought to be on the right and Dempsey ought to be on the left. We’ll need roster depth that can fill in for either, of course, but the one thing we don’t have is a natural center (other than Bradley, but he’ll have more important responsibilities back in DM. It’s a bad hole – Mix might be the front-runner right now, but I don’t think he’s ready yet. So if JK is serious about rushing Green anywhere, he ought to see some CAM time against Mexico.

              • Murray Braun says:

                Diskerud is ready now. He’s one of three subs that JK will use in the WC.
                The other two are Green and maybe, Shea (because there’s no one else that stand a chance of changing the game).

          • William the Terror says:

            See past experiment with David Regis?

            Why don’t you take the time to check your facts before posting something so blatantly ignorant?

            David Regis was 30 years old (not a 17 or 18 year old kid) when he made the 1998 Cup team. He had a decade of top flute experience, including Ligue 1 and the Bundesliga.

            And you know what? He wasn’t as good as Julian Green.

            • BumpBailey says:

              You want to throw our worst World Cup in my face…. Last place that one…. David Regis(Steve Sampson) ruined the chemistry on that team by giving him the so called Golden Ticket… Age wasn’t my point with Regis… thanks for coming.

              • BumpBailey says:

                Boys… i’ve been watching the W.C. every year since ’82… been to a few myself…Donovan and Beasley were both great in ’02… both had been playing 1st division professional soccer(allbeit the MLS) and had been with the team through qualification. In the eyes of their teamates they earned their positions…. and to be honest… at the time we didn’t have a lot of other choices. They were the best in our country at their positions at the time……

              • William the Terror says:

                Regis did NOT ruin the chemistry. Harkes did by sleeping with Wynalda’s wife and poisoning the locker room and then getting kicked off the team. in fact, Jeff Agoos, who lost his spot to Regis, actually helped Regis study for his citizenship exam, knowing that if Regis passed Agoos would lose his spot. This discussion was had last week. You know NOTHING, please go away.

            • BumpBailey says:

              William the Daisy slinger….Ignorance is bliss isn’t it??? You still want to base your argument on the worst team we ever sent to a World Cup. That whole team was F*&^’d up and Regis was as a big a part of it as was Wynalda and Harkes. Agoos helped him out because he was a team player and didn’t want to be left behind AGAIN….. it was his only choice….

              My point is that you give this a KID a ticket to MAYBE make a substitute appearance??? What happens if Jozy and Aaron go down with injuries? You’re going to throw a kid into the mix? He has virtually no First Division/Top Flight playing time but he is qualifed to play in the W.C? That is truly ignorant.

              You have any other week-ass arguments????

              • William the Terror says:

                link to

                “It’s the first time I have ever felt so welcome on a team.” Said Regis in 1998. And yes, I am giving him a spot ahead of hacks like Shea or a couple of others. Because he will likely be used as a sub and because I saw what kids like Donovan and Beasley did as starters in 2002.

              • William the Terror says:

                And, for the record, you raised the issue of David Regis and the 1998 team in your initial post. Not me. The post is still there for you, and everyone else, to see.

              • GW says:

                Mr. Bailey,

                To be fair, that 1998 team was one of my favorite USMNT teams ever. They just fell apart at a bad time.

                Sampson took over from Bora and led the US to a surprising fourth-place finish at the Copa América 1995, including a 3-0 rout of Argentina, as well as a victory over Mexico in the quarterfinals.

                That U.S. team were very together because, without MLS for most of their time, most of the players played almost entirely for the national team and were very cohesive not unlike the USWNT.

                They did really well in WC qualifying and had that famous historic 1-0 victory over Brazil in the 1998 Gold Cup just before the World Cup.

                So everyone had high expectations that were probably unrealistic. Then as now they drew a nasty group with Germany, Yugoslavia and Iran.

                The Germany game was working out until some guy named Klinsmann broke through the 3-6-1 formation and scored. That put them in a desperate situation of having to beat Iran which left them open to the Iranian counterattack and they lost a close, tough game 2-1.

                Yugoslavia beat them 1-0.

                Injuries to Wynalda and Tab Ramos were crippling and of course Harkes’ failure to keep his big boy pants on did incalculable damage to a team that had previously been a very close, cohesive bunch.

                And while the other factors were crippling, Sampson, who after all was a fairly inexperienced coach at the time,could have handled his end of it maybe a little better.

              • The Garrincha says:

                GW Just wanted to say great trip through memory lane, nice recap.
                Yeah that 98 team was a big letdown with a lot hope and big wins leading up. If Bora had stayed on?, Sampson was put into what became an untenable situation.

              • KJH says:

                Couldnt agree more witb reaponses. Ragis was old, and the chemistry issue was with wynalda and the infedikity thing. We wont be wanting for a wondo or a shea or a boyd (depending on whether he takes a winger or forward spot) for this guy to come in while losing and be ready for next WC. Im always an optimist, but this WC is the toughest draw in awhile so not much to lose here. And our team is such a mess im not sure we can oull it tofether in time. JK is playing the long game. Blame the contract extension

              • Dirk McQuigley says:

                Harkes getting dumped off from the squad for also refusing to switch from M to D had more to do with destroying chemistry than adding Regis. That and Samson changing to an untested 3-6-1 formation.

            • Joe+G says:

              See? That’s our problem… we need soccer players not musicians…


              • SBI Bozo says:

                Well I guess Deuce is out, then… which I promise you will regret when the time comes for def rhymes and illmatic verse, and we have nobody to throw into an epic battle rap against Jim McMahon, and Super Bowl Shuffle maintains its supremacy over the not-yet-writen but certainly incredible “Round of 16 Rumble”

          • Lost in Space says:

            As others have stated, must of us aren’t pinning our hopes on Green in Brazil. But those players he’s competing with aren’t all that spectacular.
            IMO he’s got a shot at knocking out Shea & EJ as a backup Winger, or EJ, Boyd, or Agudelo as the 4th striker.
            His ability to play across the front line to places him above Shea for sure and either EJ or Boyd (we should only be taking 1 of them as a backup for Jozy).

            • Goalscorer24 says:

              Shea and Boyd are on the bubble, but who doesn’t think EJ is going to make it? He has played throughout qualification and the Gold cup and scored.

              • Fair Observer says:

                i agree.

                Howard, Guzan, Rimando,

                Cameron, Besler, Gonzo, FJ, Beasley, Goodson,

                MB, JJ, Beckerman, Mix, LD, Zusi, Bedoya, Dempsey,

                Aron, Jozy, EJ, are the general “locks” (if there are actually any locks, lol).

                this leaves 3 spots. with only 6 defenders listed JK will bring 1 or 2 more.

                -if 1 additional defender is chosen that leaves 2 spots for players such as Boyd, Shea, Wondo, Davis, Green. Id say Davis and Wondo are last, leaving a race with Shea, Boyd and Green for the final Brazil spot.

                if Jk brings 2 defenders to back up (perhaps Orozco and Evans) then its only 1 spot between Shea, Boyd and Green

                gonna be a tough choice in any case.

                personally id take Shea over Bedoya and Green over Boyd and call it a day. unless i perhaps only brought 7 defenders and brought Boyd as well. thats just me tho

          • Clyde Frog says:

            Regis was one of our best payers in 1998. That experiment worked.

            • Dirk McQuigley says:

              ITA. He didn’t allow a ball to slip between him and the post like Burns did in like the 4th minute against Germany.

    • Nate Dollars says:

      what exactly makes you think he’d be better than those 3? not sure about wondo, but the other two have come up big at various times when we’ve needed them. wouldn’t you at least want to see how he performs against other international teams first?

      • Nate Dollars says:

        unless you were joking, of course. in that case, well played. you got me.

      • Rob Usry says:

        Boyd has come up big, huh? How many goals does he have for the National Team?

        • Nate Dollars says:

          didn’t he have the assist on the goal in our first win at azteca in whenever? that was pretty meaningful, i think.

          you don’t have to score goals to have a positive impact. and i never said he was our top scorer, or even that he should go to brasil. i said he’s performed in big occasions, and green hasn’t (yet).

          • JayAre says:

            An assist in a meaningless friendly doesn’t really mean much. Especially not fluke assists

            • Nate Dollars says:

              a ‘friendly’ with mexico isn’t meaningless. a win in azteca is historic.

              and, as with goals, it doesn’t matter how an assist happens; they all count the same.

            • papi grande says:

              any time there is a game between usa and mexico there is no way that it can be called a meaningless friendly…and a victory for the usa in Azteca is HUGE…SUPER HUGE…no matter if it is a friendly or otherwise…make sure you understand that.

            • Hogatroge says:

              “Fluke assist?” He made a clever backheel pass to Orozco when he realized he wouldn’t be able to get a shot off in time from his angle.

              Also, not saying he’s the 2nd coming, but Boyd’s got 2 assists for the US despite never having started a match (I think the most he’s ever played is a single 2nd half, once).

              Plus, JK keeps calling him up (even if he never plays him).

              • White Kix says:

                It looked to me like the back-heel was a failed attempt at goal, that happened to fall to Orozco. I guess Boyd is the only one who will ever really know, but based on the fact he has trouble completeing passes in general, I would be shocked if that back heal assist was on purpose.

              • Kevin_H says:

                My impression after viewing the replays, is that it was an attempted shot – but he scruffed the side of the ball. Not trying to take anything away from Boyd, who did well to get in the right position and get something on it. A lucky assist has the same outcome as a deliberate assist.

              • Lil' Zeke says:

                Wizardly or not, ball on frame and/or in front of goal with teammate lurking was the right move and clutch

              • Louis Z says:

                Boyd himself said that it was a shot attempt.

      • JayAre says:

        When has Boyd come up BIG?

        • Brett says:

          Those 2 minutes he was on the pitch really changed the game!

          • JayAre says:

            A player with fresh legs beating or reacting faster than a player than been on the field all game long isn’t really anything knew or spectacular fresh legs are suppose to beat tired legs thats why I don’t understand the Shea argument either

            • Nate Dollars says:

              right. that’s why they’re subs–because they’re not good enough to start, but the manager is hoping that their fresh legs will even the score (so to speak).

              i really don’t get what’s so controversial about what i said. i just don’t understand why would anyone say that green’s taking boyd/ej’s place, when they haven’t even seen him play with our team, against another team.

              could he? hell yes. but it seems kind of premature right now.

              • Kosh says:

                Nothing controversial whatsoever, Nate. It’s just the hype machine doing it’s thing. I am super glad about getting this kid and I too hope he makes the trip to Brazil but to say he’s already better than guys who have been through the system is a bit much for me. I’d rather we let the kid do his thing and take his time.

              • Nate Dollars says:



        • Hogatroge says:

          1 game winning assists – MEX-USA
          1 game tying assits – RUS-USA

          • byrdman says:

            Did he get the assist on Johannson’s goal verse Panama – for the win?

            • Fair Observer says:

              byrdman, yes he did.

              but to concur with the above, the heel flick was most obviously an attempt at goal that misdirected to Orozco. Boyd has most definately NOT “come up big” for the US. im not sayin he’s not good and that i dont like him cuz i do but he hasnt done much (hasnt done badly either, just played his part– 90′ sub).

              and the panama assist was just a pass to an open man at the top of the box. it wasnt a pass that put aron in a great position to score. aron got the ball because he was the open man, then took a great shot that surprised the keeper and snuck in. aron created that goal himself but the assist was given to boyd out of technicality since he DID pass the ball to Aron, dont act like that was as good of a pass as Messi’s pass for the iniesta goal in el clasico the other day…… THAT was a nice assist. boyd just passed to a teammate who shot it…. simply put, green should make the initial 30, and with a good showing against mexico and the first or second tune up games, he should make the 23, if he shows hes not ready yet then at least we have him for WC18

      • BumpBailey says:

        William the Daisy slinger….Ignorance is bliss isn’t it??? You still want to base your argument on the worst team we ever sent to a World Cup. That whole team was F*&^’d up and Regis was as a big a part of it as was Wynalda and Harkes. Agoos helped him out because he was a team player and didn’t want to be left behind AGAIN….. it was his only choice….

        My point is that you give this a KID a ticket to MAYBE make a substitute appearance??? What happens if Jozy and Aaron go down with injuries? You’re going to throw a kid into the mix? He has virtually no First Division/Top Flight playing time but he is qualifed to play in the W.C? That is truly ignorant.

        You have any other week-ass arguments????

    • JoeW says:

      Think about your response for a second. Imagine the team camp where you say “no sense risking injuries to Jones, Bradley, Johnson, Donovan, Howard, Guzan, Dempsey–you guys are already on the team. Don’t show up for the first 3 weeks. The rest of you guys however, I might cut you so you’d better work hard.” Yeah–that’s a great way to destroy team chemistry, to create resentment, to destroy trust in the coach. Instead, Klinsi has taken the complete opposite approach to what you suggest. He’s even publicly said that Donovan is not guaranteed a spot on the team or that he may not start. He’s said that American players in Europe don’t fight hard enough for spots. He’s pushing motivation and getting players to feel like their spots aren’t a given, that they aren’t automatic.

      It’s a TEAM game. Let’s give him a chance to fit in and also see how well he adapts to the rest of the players (and they to him).

    • The Imperative Voice says:

      I was thinking that might be the “deal.” We promise he makes the camp or Brazil itself and he takes the risk of making the switch, He goes to a World Cup 4 years sooner if he’s good, and gets to go period if he is less than sold. Bear in mind he did train with the team in Germany so we got to kick the tires a little.

      I’d expect for EJ to make the team on production — even if he’s a mess — but you might leave out Boyd or Wondo because this kid has upside and hasn’t played and frustrated. Reality is tail end of the 23 in a 3 game tournament is a clipboard carrying position.

    • Gary Page says:

      I expected this kind of drivel, so I did a little research. After the 2006 World Cup, started Lionel Messi turned 19 (June 24). During that World Cup, he never got off the bench for two matches, came on late (74th and 84th minutes) twice, and started one game (against Mexico. Now admittedly Argentina is better than the US and was better in 2006 than the US is now, but we’re talking Messi. It is highly unlikely that an untested 18 or 19 year old will have a positive impact in a World Cup, especially when you are in the toughest group. At least Eddie Johnson has played a lot for the US and has had important contributions in helping the US qualify, not only this cycle, but in a previous cycle.

      • Louis Z says:

        There is precedence, Pele got his first cap at 16 and played in a WC at 17.

      • The Imperative Voice says:

        I suspect you would only see Green if the tournament went so well or so poorly that “garbage time” came to exist. Kind of like you’re saying, cameos.

        But as I said above, I think we can make some distinctions between productive and unproductive players in terms of whom Green might edge out. EJ has produced in important games, despite the fact he is sloppy and a headcase. Wondo hasn’t produced against a decent team. Boyd hasn’t shown he can score yet internationally. You could slide Green in accordingly.

        But I basically agree with you that the reality is that a player of his age and unknown senior ability is likely ticketed for the tail end of the bench for cameo appearances if any.

    • bryan says:

      i think Ives put it best the other day in the SBI Show. you seriously consider bringing him over someone who is likely to sit on the bench anyway. specifically, Shea or Davis. he isn’t starting, but maybe he gets a few minutes.

      • GW says:


        The biggest thing about Green is that he brings something to the table that no one else in the pool can.

        If I could bring in one ringer at this late date it would be a center half like a younger Terry or Ferdinand in their primes, playing at their very best. To date, much as I like him, Gonzo has been unconvincing. Replacing him with a better center half would go a long way towards settling the defense which would take the pressure off the midfield which would free up the attackers.

        I think Brooks was supposed to be that guy but he is not. At least, not this year.

        If we can’t have a young killer center half to shore up the defense, I’d go the other way and look for a speedy, two footed, intelligent, confident, aggressive winger, someone to stretch the opposing defense and therefore help take pressure off of my own shaky defense.

        If Shea is in his best form, he can be a rough approximation of that. But that does not seem to be on for this year.

        However, JK does have this Green kid, pun intended.

        IF all the hype is true, this kid COULD be Charlie Davies 2.0, a different , maybe better version.

        And that is something you can’t say about any other attacking player in the US pool.

        So really the main reason to bring Green to Brazil is, if he can do what they say, this kid could be a difference maker.

        • Fredo says:

          This sounds reasonable.

        • Bongwater says:

          A bridge too far GW… exactly what does “a young killer center half” mean? You know as well as I do it means nothing. We have some “killer young center halves” in Gonzalez and Brooks… problem is it takes time to become an “experienced and alert center half, with quality international experience alongside multiple competent partners”. This is hard– but a center half is not a center forward and Brooks/Gonzalez have already shown this. We are not getting a world class center half out of an unknown reserve team youngster in the 11th hour because no such thing exists.

          Let’s be real about why we like Green. What everybody wants is Michael Owen circa 1998. We want the whole context of the tournament to change when Green picks up the ball in the 70th minute with nearly his first touch, clowns three guys, and rockets a blast into the roof of the net that instantly makes the USA the team to watch until the moment we go out. No shame in admitting this. I do.

          Is it unreasonable? Of course…. SUPPORTING THE USA IS UNREASONABLE!!!! WE DO IT BECAUSE WE LOVE IT!!!!…. Comparisons to center halves have no place…. just admit it’s a wild card and you are juiced about it. No shame at all in it.

          • GW says:


            Read my post again.

            From your reply you may have missed something.,, wait… are you posting from Colorado?

            • Bongwater says:

              You were not incorrect GW… you just sugarcoated your need for the 100% attacking wild-card in a bunch of “responsible’ ideas like a last minute center-half blah blah blah…. these things don’t exist and you know it…. just wished you had cut to the chase my man. :)

  2. KenC says:

    That was quick for FIFA.

    • Alex H says:

      Bayern threw some UCL finals tickets in the pot to hurry things up.

      • Birgit Calhoun says:

        For Bayern he becomes more valuable to sell when the time comes. He would not have been ready for the German national team and as far as they are concerned it can only help the German team if JG plays for the US. They know who he is. They tailor their team accordingly. Good for Julian to have made it. There is one word of caution. He is pretty young, and he needs to build some mental toughness. No one knows if he has that.

        • The Garrincha says:

          Just like the son of a preacher man better know how to sing,
          the son of a military man better have Loyalty, honor, heart, and mental toughness. semper fidelis.

    • Brett says:

      Now if we could only get the INS to be so quick with Zelalem’s papers. Only a couple days left until he becomes ineligible.

    • cpldaniel says:

      The application came in a gift bag, sewn together out of $100 bills, carrying a gold box, containing a big, phat, check. Fifa deemed it important enough to pay attention to and fast-track.

  3. Josh says:

    Julian Green, quite possibly the greatest prospect no one has ever seen yet.

    All kidding aside, he is a great talent. But I think we are getting a little ahead of ourselves. I hope the hype doesn’t get to him.

  4. Jon says:

    Just my personal opinion, but I think he takes Shea’s spot. Wildcard off the bench sort of role in Brazil.

    • Josh says:

      I’m not quite ready to put him on the plane over Brek Shea. We all know about Shea’s ups and downs, but what he has done is provide the USMNT with a spark off the bench. We’ve seen it against Mexico, Costa Rica, Panama, even against the Ukraine. That’s why I take Shea to Brazil.

      • Ian says:

        Yeah, all that, but there’s no guarantee Shea will even see playing time between now and June. He’s back at Stoke, and Stoke seems to be doing fine without him.

    • Rod says:

      I think Shea was already out. If Green makes the World Cup roster, he’s probably pushing whoever would have been the last forward – Boyd/Agudelo/Wondo.

      • Josh says:

        I’m not convinced Shea is out yet. But yes, if Green makes the squad, it would be over Boyd/Agudelo/Wondo.

        • Increase says:

          I don’t think he replaces a striker at all. Its gunna be a left side attacker. We are weak there in that no one owns that spot or has played well over a full game except for Fabian Johnson. It’s pretty much open.

          • The Garrincha says:

            Correct increase, + 10 for Pele.
            Some people for the most part,
            are looking at or considering things from a perspective that is lacking vision and a complementary sense
            (example, look at Germany’s team,
            save for two or three out and out strikers,
            they are all versatile AMs, of one sort or another).
            Green, opens up many possibilities particularly on the left flank and up the middle.

        • Birgit Calhoun says:

          He is wanted as a midfielder.

    • bryan says:

      if it’s going to happen, i think Shea is the easy target now that he is back to riding the bench.

      Wondo wasn’t going to go anyway, but an argument that he could sneak ahead of EJ or Agudelo isn’t completely insane.

  5. JSlip1 says:

    He’ll earn the spot. He and Klinsmann have both said nothing is guaranteed. I doubt he will start against Mexico but I’m sure he’ll come on at some point.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he takes Wondo’s spot. I’d put him on the bubble for one of the last spots. His poaching style won’t get us out of the group. He can finish, but who’s to say he’ll have the service against Portugal and Germany? I highly doubt he will. Even Ghana while perhaps less defensively inclined will play him so physically that he won’t get any looks. Also, this is assuming Wondo would even sub in in those matches.

    • Josh says:

      If Green were to make the squad, it will be at the expense of Wondo/Magee/Boyd as the third striker.

      • JSlip1 says:

        Agreed. I’d like to see Boyd or Magee there but for no reasons that involve on the field exploits. Well, Magee because he lead MLS in scoring. Boyd just seems like a cool dude.

        Though I wouldn’t be surprised if Magee makes it and say Jones doesn’t.

        • Jesse D says:

          Magee has the same amount of USMNT experience that Green has. Green is a much more highly touted prospect. I don’t think Magee is truly in the conversation.

          Boyd and Shea are in the conversation, both need to earn their spot and will be bubble decisions. Boyd is the closest to a like for like replacement for Altidore. Shea (prior to green) is our only left winger. That puts them in contention to be on the plane. Boyd, Shea and Green. 1 maybe 2 can make the plane (for 2 to make the plane, we have to take 3 CB’s not 4)

      • Louis Z says:

        If Green makes it, and he will, it will be at the expense of a midfielder. Boyd’s fate rides on how good or bad EJ gets in the next 4 weeks.

    • Bryan says:

      Wondo blew an open net this weekend in MLS. Do we really think he will finish at the WC. Green over Wondo all day.

    • Birgit Calhoun says:

      Politically it would be very unwise on the long run to start any new player. Usually new players come on around the 80 minute. You don’t want to bend anyone out of shape.

    • Murray Braun says:

      That’s fine if Ghana plays Green physically.
      They’ll be carded and maybe give us some penalty kicks.
      It’s the World Cup after all.

  6. tva1 says:

    Great news – hope to see him against Mexico in a couple weeks.

    On a related note, we should all find out about Gedion Zelalem in the coming weeks. He was called into Germany’s squad for UEFA Euro U-17 qualifying. They have 3 games in 6 days starting tomorrow and if he plays, end of story for him ever wearing the USA shirt.

    • Anon says:

      How is it end of story if he plays? He can file a one-time switch, just like Julian and numerous others have done.

      • Hogatroge says:

        He won’t be able to file a 1-time switch as he wouldn’t have been eligible to play for the US at the time of his first German appearance.

        • cpldaniel says:

          We need to fast-track his citizenship. Somebody call up the White House….maybe we can get the guys who made Obama’s BC to create one for Zelalem!! (I kidd, I Kid, stop with the neg reps, it’s just a joke!)

    • Anon says:

      ‘End of story’ if he plays? He can file a one-time switch, just like Julian and numerous others have done.

      • Jacknut says:

        No. He would have to be a US Citizen at the time of his first cap for Germany. He will never play for the USA.

        • JSlip1 says:

          This is correct.

          • Rory says:

            All it would really take is the USMNT to change their own policy to allow green card holders to play for the US. This might no longer apply to Zelalam but it would work for others. Instead of asking the government to change their massive laws to help the USMNT, we could have the US Soccer fed change their policies a lot easier and quicker.

            • chuck says:

              fifa requires a valid passport. green card holders have no US passports

            • Joe+G says:

              Some columnist suggested that a Green Card would work (good luck getting Congress to allow issuing passports to GC holders), but FIFA rules say the “nationality” can’t be dependent upon residency. Green Cards are dependent on residency, so they don’t meet FIFA’s “nationality” rules.

      • Anonymous says:

        He can’t he’s not a American citizen. He only has residency here, Germany would be easiest, he is a german citizen. However it sounds like he wants to play for USA if he can clear the immigration hurdle.

        • Increase says:

          Ya, he has some issues that are in some ways beyond his control. I don’t expect get him for the US and I don’t blame him if he doesn’t play for the US.

    • Louis Z says:

      Gedion already pull out from the Germs U17 roster. His name was in their team roster then it was taken out.

      • tva1 says:

        Really!!!? That would be a great sign if he did not accept the call up. I’m sure he understands the implications if he plays and maybe he’s not ready to make that commitment to Germany right now.

      • Steve R says:

        Yep, this appears to be the case. It’s hard for me to imagine it being a coincidence, either. Encouraging news, though as already noted several times, the path to citizenship for Zelalem is (regrettably) a long one.

        Would be curious to hear Ives opinion on the Zelalem situation…in particular, what to make of him being initially included in the U-17 Germany roster only later to be taken off.

      • JSlip1 says:

        His parents are also Ethiopian citizens so it’s entirely possible he could be called up for them.

      • Hogatroge says:

        It’s a good sign, but I wouldn’t read too much into it.

        He’ll have a lot of time later to state his case for Germany if he chooses that route, but pulling out now means he doesn’t have to make the decision any time soon.

    • slowleftarm says:

      My understanding is Zelalem is eligible to become a U.S. citizen now but if he does so he’ll lose his German citizenship and therefore require a work permit to play at Arsenal. If he plays for German youth teams now, while he’s technically ineligible to play for the US (because he’s not a citizen), he can’t file a one-time switch in future.

      Since obtaining a work permit in England is based in large part on a player having regular international appearances, I don’t see how he could play for Arsenal as a US citizen. Maybe if he moves elsewhere in Europe, where they don’t have these kinds of work permit regulations.

      • chuck says:

        If he waits to his 18th birthday and then applies for US citizenship I think ge can keep both nationalities.

      • Jim says:

        I haven’t read anywhere that Zelalem is currently eligible for US citizenship. From the articles that I’ve found, he still needs to establish residency before he can apply. It’s possible that he could do so while playing abroad, but very difficult. And yes, it would put his Arsenal future in jeopardy– which seems odd given that he just signed an extension with the club.

        • slowleftarm says:

          The issue with Arsenal is whether he’s eligible for a work permit. He doesn’t need one if he is a German citizen because Germany is an EU country but non-EU players need one.

          I’ve read a bunch of different thing about him, I’m not sure what to believe. I think what’s discouraging is that it seems like it would be difficult for him to play for the USMNT even if that was what he wanted. I guess time will tell.

        • GW says:


          Zelalem may still have his green card. If he does then he will have to jump through some hoops to maintain a US residency, and his green card, since his parents now live with him in England.
          But it is possible. He is 18 and you are talking 5 years , unless he marries a US citizen, so his path to the USMNT would be long and circuitous.
          But apparently he grew up here and considers himself American so we will see. Yuri Movsisyan had a similar situation and similar sentiments but he eventually wound up playing for Armenia.

    • Louis Z says:

      Zalalem already declined the Germs invite.

  7. Bean says:

    I would think that the reason Green made the switch right now is to play in the 2014 World Cup.

  8. Jack Del says:

    Welcome to the USMNT.

    By the way, playing Mexico will be like no game you’ve ever played. Enjoy.

    • slowleftarm says:

      That’s true because he’s only ever played in fourth division games.

      • Nate Dollars says:

        false, of course. but you already knew that.

      • Jack Del says:

        On the last groupings of posts you were admonishing him for only having played a few minutes in a Champions League game–throw away minutes you implied.

        You should try and keep your hate-tinged stories straight between posts. Some of us have memories.

        • slowleftarm says:

          Wow, you guys are insane. Ok, the two minutes he came on in one champions league game has surely prepared him for whatever lies ahead. You have a lot of nerve calling people “hate filled” merely because they disagree with you. Why do you get so angry?

          • Jack Del says:

            You seem to be the angry one. Most of us are laughing.

            “ONLY ever played in fourth division games.”

            “Ok, the two minutes he came on in one champions league game has surely prepared him for whatever lies ahead.”

            You lied about the kid. Why?

            • slowleftarm says:

              You’re right. I ignored the meaningless two minute appearance for the sake of making a point. Your response of course is over the top and says more about you than it does about me. You should try to figure out when my comments make you so upset.

  9. JayAre says:

    The was quick it took Jermaine Jones forever to get his approved.

    I wonder how long it will take Slowleftarm to see this and start the “he’s not American” argument again

    • Josh says:

      I really don’t understand that argument. The United States is a melting pot of a nation, filled with people from different nations. Therefore, our national team will reflect that. Besides, it’s not like we’re the only national team with dual-citizens. Just look at Germany, France, Algeria, Mexico, Belgium.

      • JayAre says:

        I don’t understand it either. I don’t understand how people expect this not to happen in a world where Airplanes are available cultures can come in contact within hours unlike the pre-airplane era where it took ship months to get some anywhere

    • Joe+G says:

      Jermaine was one of the first to file when the rule changed, so it is understandable that it’s faster now, but one week is swift. Even Aron’s at 13 days was lightning speed compared to, say, Fabian’s.

    • slowleftarm says:

      You guys need a life. You act like you hate having to hear my viewpoint because, God forbid, someone have a viewpoint that’s different from the cheerleader consensus. Yet, you guys never fail to bring up my name before I even say anything.

      My view is that anyone can come here, live here, make their life here, and call themselves American, no matter where they come from. I’d love to have guys like Gideon Zelalem or Diego Fagundez in the USMNT (Andy Najar would’ve been another one). However, people who have never lived here aren’t American and recruiting a bunch of Germans (or Icelanders) for our national team is a cynical short cut to developing the players we need to take the USMNT to the next level. And yes, I realize other teams do this too, even Spain, but that doesn’t mean I agree with it.

      • Mason says:

        I dislike your point of view because it is fundamentally anti-American.

        • slowleftarm says:

          Ok, how so?

          • wfrw07 says:

            This pesky little thing called the constitution?

            • Mason says:

              That, and the fact that SLA’s division is based on the “Americanness” of the player as defined by SLA and SLA alone.

              At best, it’s nativist.

          • GW says:

            “However, people who have never lived here aren’t American ”

            This is not true. And you should define “never lived here”.

          • RB says:

            It’s un-American because neither you nor any of the rest of us may declare that another American isn’t somehow “really” American, or American “enough” and therefore doesn’t have the same rights, freedoms and liberties as the rest of us. Your view is fully and directly opposed to the principles and ideals of equal treatment and protection of those very individual liberties, rights and freedoms. That is all what forms the very basis of our government, our culture and our society, and it’s remarkable that you would have to ask how your view runs contrary to it.

        • Increase says:

          I don’t agree that its anti american. It’s just not pragmatic.

      • KC says:

        “People who have never lived here aren’t American”. Pure ignorance.

        There is nowhere in Nationality law that says residence has ANYTHING to do with citizenship.

      • Gary Page says:

        Read the Supreme Court decision on Wong Kim Ark vs. the United States (1898). Even before the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, English Common Law dating back to the 17th Century established that anyone born in a country is a citizen of that country with only 2 exceptions–diplomatic personnel for parents, or the off spring of an invading army.

      • Thebumswillalwayslose says:

        Is using dual-nationals really just a cynical shortcut though?

        The fact that they’re all US citizens aside, can we not agree that a USMNT including Fabian Johnson, Jermaine Jones and Aron Johannsson is substantially better than a USMNT without those guys? And that the likes of Danny Williams, JA Brooks, Chandler (when healthy), etc. at least increase the level of competition in the pool, if nothing else?

        So, by putting a better team on the field, we’re more likely to win. And if we’re more likely to win, it’s likely that more Americans will get behind the USMNT (we are nothing if not front-runners in this country…). And if more Americans are behind the USMNT, more money starts flowing in and around US Soccer. And if there’s more money in US Soccer, doesn’t that then give us the ability to spend more on youth development?

        Maybe it doesn’t, and maybe you’re right, this is just a shortcut to hide the holes in our development. Interesting argument though.

        • slowleftarm says:

          It may make the team better but what’s the point of international football? If we beat some team with 11 guys who lived their whole lives in Germany, what does that really mean? This isn’t club football. It’s not about finding the best players and signing them up.

          • Mason says:

            You’re right… This isn’t club football. Clubs sign players young and develop them into first-teamers, or buy them from other clubs that have developed them. National teams don’t. Their pool is fixed (mostly), and its simply a matter of calling in those who are eligible and willing (looking at you Carlos Vela). Sure, there’s the occasional Youth Nats tournament, but that pales in comparison to the kind of training that club youth get.

            To answer your question, it means that the best clubs at developing young soccer players are in Europe. This surprises no one. Europe only has a multi-decade head start on this.

            We’d be fools not to pull in the occasional American that has found his way into that pipeline. It would benefit no one. The USMNT would be worse. The Germerican player would not be playing internationally. The American player would not be in practice (competition) with established Germericans. The fan would have a less attractive product to watch. There is literally no positive to not bringing in these players, except to satisfy your nativism.

      • slowleftarm says:

        How is “nativist” when I say anyone can come here from wherever and become an American? I’d just like the players representing us to have some connection to our country.

        I understand Green is a citizen under the constitution. Most countries don’t bestow citizenship as a birth right but, of course, there are valid and sensible historical reasons for why we do. I don’t need to be lectured on legal niceties and I don’t need citations to Supreme Court opinions.

        • JayAre says:

          You still don’t get it. Their birth is the connection to the country.

        • ronniet says:

          Green lived here for 2 years before moving to Germany, Johannsson live in Alabama for 3-4 yrs as well, so that disputes your argument about duals living here and being “un-American”! Now I guess you can say oh well living here for 3-4 yrs is an issue for you and doesn’t make you very American, but that would be insanity and hypocrisy at it’s best according to your earlier post! And finally, yeah you don’t need legal nicities or supreme rulings but you do need to wake up and smell the coffee!

        • slowleftarm says:

          Living here from age 0-2 is a meaningful connection? You know exactly what I’m talking about. This isn’t in the spirit of international competition.

          I’m sick of talking about this. But I will respond when personally attacked on this website. Looks like you guys just love re-hashing this argument.

          • Mason says:

            I can’t speak for others, but for me it’s your lack of self-awareness the amuses me. I particularly love how you deny being a football nativist and then – in the same breath – demand that the US player pool be reduced to players that meet your arbitrary “connection” criteria.

            The ignorance of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America is just a bonus.

          • RB says:

            “I’m sick of talking about this.”

            Obviously not! You are here every time.

            Truly, seriously, why is it, if you feel so strongly about how wrong this is, that you don’t just quit watching international football and focus on the club side of the game?

            This is not a rhetorical question—feel free to go ahead and answer.

        • Mason says:

          How is “nativist” when I say anyone can come here from wherever and become an American? I’d just like the players representing us to have some connection to our country.

          Why is black black? Why is love love?

          Demanding connection is nativism. You want to exclude those from the pool who lack whatever arbitrary connection you desire. You are a football nativist.

      • Dirk McQuigley says:

        If they are citizens and lived overseas like AJ or Boyd, or Thomas Dooley, that doesn’t make them any less American. Citizens are citizens. Get over yourself.

    • Gary Page says:

      For some people, being a natural born American citizen apparently isn’t good enough. Maybe Slowleftarm requires people to toot Yankee Doodle Dandy when they pass gas. Maybe that would satisfy him.

      • Chris Ou says:

        Hey slowleftbrain, in case you’re wondering Green did live in America for about two years. He was BORN in America anyways which makes him American(14th amendment) Iceman also came back and lived in America not for a long time but still…. he was Born in the US which makes him American.

        • Increase0 says:

          No need for insults…. lordy. Some people just can’t have a philosophical disagreement without resorting to immature name calling……

  10. Maykol says:

    Curious, how many US players havehad their debut vs Mexico in the past?

    • JayAre says:

      Landon Donovan

    • Jacknut says:

      Convey as well, in the same match.

      • JayAre says:

        What happened to Convey? I just can’t explain his demise

        • Michael Stypulkoski says:

          I would say three things. First, and most importantly, he was/is a solid player, but hit a wall in his development. He just never took his game to the level that Donovan and Dempsey did. Second, he and Bob Bradley didn’t have a great relationship. Third, injuries took their toll.

          • GW says:

            Mr. Stypulkoski,

            Re Convey, I would put injuries as first on your list.

            • Michael Stypulkoski says:

              Fair enough. Without the injuries he may very well still be in England and a regular for the US. But I think we saw him at his peak around 2005-2006. I could be wrong, though. He was still young, maybe he would have continued to grow as a player.

              For the record I always liked Convey’s game, I just don’t think he was quite on the level of say an O’Brien or a Holden. Those two, I think, could have significantly changed the fortunes of the NT. Convey certainly would have contributed, but I don’t know that he would’ve been a game-changer.

              • GW says:

                JOB and Stu had/have a head for the game. Every move on the field was done for a specific reason.

                Convey, when he was younger, not so much. He did a lot of pointless running around.

    • malkin says:

      Matt Besler?

  11. Brett says:

    If Klinsmann truly goes by what he sees in the lead-up friendlies, Green should have no problem beating out his competition in training. The question will be whether or not he gels with the team in time to make an impact on the pitch in the friendlies, and if he does, which one of those other regular guys gets sent packing. There’s no way Shea goes to Brazil anyway, but I’m looking at Wondolowski and Eddie as outsiders too, two guys who put in a lot of shifts with the MNT. I think it might be too late of a push to think of him in the best 11 come June, but he could come on as a sub and make an impact.

    I wonder what Klinsmann will do. This is his first World Cup as US coach and it could set the tone for what could be a multi-cycle progression. What will his mindset be? That is what will affect his selections, not form or logic. I think he comes light on defending and experience and challenges his players to take the game to the world. If they fail, at least they didn’t park the bus and kick long balls for 90 minutes. He’s already got the contract extension, what good is playing it safe now?

  12. Boyd says:

    How is he on the plane to Brazil?
    The only thing he has shown is that he can score against 15 year olds in the German 4th division….. Or used to.

    • Dinho says:

      Get your facts right, buddy.

    • Nate Dollars says:

      lord, the haters.

    • slowleftarm says:

      He’s right. People on here were seriously saying last week that Green has already accomplished more than any striker in our pool. Jozy scored over 30 goals in all competitions last year, playing in the Eredivisie. Aron Johannsson is doing the same thing this year. But apparently, scoring a few goals in the fourth division in Germany is even more impressive. Some people are just that desperate for a savior.

    • Fair Observer says:

      im pretty sure this commenter is just making a hyperbolic joke, considering he chose the post name of “Boyd”. his comment sounds like a comedian’s opinion of what Boyd is saying today….. a bitter, 90′ sub mad at some kid taking his spot. let’s not read into this comment too much. its much better to drill a hole in “slowleftarms” steel plated head about what citizenship really is.

  13. michael f. sbi Mafia Original says:

    I bet he breaks into the starting 11 like Donovan and Beasley did at age 20 in Japan/S.Korea.

    • blokhin says:

      how much are you willing to bet?

    • Vic says:

      We had much less depth in 2002. Its much harder to break into the top 11 now.

      • Fair Observer says:

        meh, a lil better depth but lets not strecth it to saying that we’ve become spain……. we have no clear cut left winger. (shea? davis? meh…). demspey might play left winger just because JK wants to put LD as cam and have Zusi on the field. but to be honest, although green is young, he’s A)faster than Zusi B) can cross just as well as Zusi so whats to say that Green isnt a better option than Zusi besides chemistry (which, mind you, is big). all in all im just saying we dont really have the depth people think we do, just a larger general depth, not high end depth.

        MB has a lock on CDM….

        LD is our fastest (he’s gettin older but he’s still fast) player and can create chances the best on the team,

        Dempsey is, well, demspey. he plays like an innercity youth kid in a pickup game, rough but effective.

        Zusi has taken the right winger spot out of default since no one else has (Bedoya, youve earned the back up right winger spot, youre just a lil too slow, but keep up the good work ).

        Mix really only had to beat out Klestjan (tough job……..)

        the most depth we have is at striker (Jozy, Aron, EJ, Wondo, Boyd, Agudelo) espically since LD and Dempsey are technically (capable) strikers…. JK moved them to mid to be able to bring more strikers, etc.

        so really out of the main players listed above (Jozy, Aron, LD, Dempsey, MB, Zusi) its safe to say Green could be in the next grouping of players in contention. personally i think EJ should go to brazil for his abilities and what he’s done for the US etc but other than that, green has a huge chance to AT LEAST be a sub off the bench in one maybe two games in brazil. would anyone really be mad if green came in for dempsey or zusi in the 72′ against ghana? it would be a definate speed upgrade if nothing else……

        all of this is of course assuming he plays well in the games leading up to brazil, etc, etc…..

        • The Garrincha says:

          The FO is on it, Fair Observer, really a pretty good assessment.
          Deuce and JA will be fine among a few others provided they are fit and have a little chip on their shoulder.
          if you can’t get up for the WC,
          then maybe go check out Copacabana beach?…

    • dibo says:

      I’m impressed with the youth so far – from the clips/games I have seen. It will be an interesting couple of months. I would like to see both Johannson and Green really push for spots in that 4 2 3 1. Dempsey, Donovan, Altidore had best show more than they have shown lately!

  14. Jack Del says:

    I think it’s fair to say that Green will probably only play a few minutes in the Mexico game. Klinsmann believes in baptism by fire, but even he wouldn’t toss a new kid into a spot like that.

    • iggy says:

      Depends on which Mexico you get. Last time they played in the US they were completely toothless and broken down. Will be interesting to see their progress from that low point.

  15. KEEP says:

    Funny how things work. Watching LD the other day, looked very slow compared to the old days. So I think his days on the wings are pretty much done for the NATS. Green will be the 2002 LD in Brazil.

    • John says:

      So far Green is replacing Landon, Boyd, Shea, EJ, Wondo and Magee.

      • KEEP says:

        I’d think he’s replacing Shea. Playing with LD, EJ and Wondo

      • Nate Dollars says:

        dempsey, too

      • BrianVT says:

        Bugs Bunny, first base; Bugs Bunny, second base; Bugs Bunny, third base; …

      • Birgit Calhoun says:

        He is not replacing Donovan, Midfielders need to be play-makers. Green first has to show that he can show play-making skills for this particular USMNT. That will have to be shown in several games. I think everyone is jumping the gun thinking that he will play right away. I believe he has talent. But can he deal with the stress of the trip, the new environment in the US etc. I am an immigrant and I know there are immediate stresses that show up after the dust has settled.

        • Expat4455 says:

          I don’t think Julian is immigrating to the U.S. Birgit. It’a more like he will be visiting the USA more often than before.

  16. Tim says:

    Bet Klinsi took switch papers when he met Green at his house days after Ukraine game. Suspect took 12-14 days minimum.

  17. blokhin says:

    CAP HIM!

    or let him get into a 1st team at bayern or elsewhere and then he hopefully materializes into a solid player for 2018

  18. John says:

    Does anyone even have a good highlight video of him? All I can honestly find is a youtube clip of a single goal in a friendly against a club in Kuwait.

    • Jesse D says:

      I saw a clip where he scores about 8 goals. I think 6 with his right foot and 2 with his head. There are also a couple of assists on the highlight tape.

      No real 1-2 passing sequences. I’d love to see more about his touch.

      • Fair Observer says:

        i saw him in person! he was 8ft tall! had hair all over! and had two really big feet! he was riding a huge creature he kept calling “‘Nessy” too.

  19. jzx says:

    Left wing is/was probably the WEAKEST spot on the USMNT roster. Now we have a natural left winger – perhaps a world-class one. Given the competition for this spot (Shea, Bedoya), if Green shows well in the next 4 games, I don’t see how he couldn’t make Brazil. It’s not like he’s in the running for CMF or Goalkeeper but rather a spot where we really have no one. I’d say if he does reasonably well, he should not only make the team, but perhaps the starting XI. Could be a tremendous spark for a lethargic offense still tied to an out of form Dempsey and a slumping Altidore.

    • Increase says:

      It’s so weak. We have guys who can play there but no one who does it all day and all night except for Brek. Brek doesn’t get to play that often and he has been erratic for the US. Basically its one more option and if we are all lucky the solution.

      • BrianVT says:

        DBS prolly won’t see the field again in this English season. He really shot himself in the foot with his attitude @ Barnsley.

  20. jm says:

    If I had to guess, I’d say the super-sub roles in a situation where we need a goal would go to Bedoya/Zusi (whichever doesn’t start), Johannsson and EJ. In which case, having Green on the bench over a Brek Shea, Wondo or Brad Davis makes a lot of sense to me.

  21. Kippers says:

    Is our team so bad that we have to take a German 4th division player to Brazil? We’re so done this summer.

    • Jesse D says:

      Was this the tipping point for you? Until a hot prospect for the best team in the world was called into our team, you thought we were going to win the World Cup? Seriously throwing around terms like 4th division player is so dumb. We know he would have played in Bundesliga this year if his loan had gone through. Bayern nixed the loan as they thought they may need him.
      The US team has 1 player who consistently starts in the Bundesliga, 3 players that start in the Premier League (2 are goalies), and none in Spain, Italy or France.
      That is more concerning than a Bundesliga prospect being in contention for the World Cup team.

      • Nate Dollars says:

        kippers also thinks that gerard delofeu wasn’t good enough to play for osasuna last year because he was a second-tier player (on barca’s B team).

      • Increase says:

        Bedoya is a starter in France. 22 games this Season but yes we are short on people in Europe outside of the Championship. We have a ton there.

        • Jesse D says:

          Bedoya is debatable. He has started 16 of 30 games for Nantes this year. I didn’t consider that “consistent”. We are splitting hairs one way or the other.

          link to

          • Increase says:

            Hmm, ya. Its glass half empty/half full thing. I’ll say he is frequent. That’s a wonderful adjective.

            • The Garrincha says:

              Bedoyas, positional flexibility will probably put him on the plane. Looks like he could play RB if needed.

          • Dirk McQuigley says:

            It’s more than half the games. I don’t follow Nantes or Ligue 1 but I’m willing to bet his replacement did not start the other 14. If Nantes used a combination of replacements, by definition, that would make him the consistent starter.

    • Drew11 says:

      You are forgetting we started Robbie Finley four years ago.

      • Jesse D says:

        I don’t think I will ever forget that.

      • Rory says:

        Conor Casey damn near made the World Cup roster four years ago.

        Your honor, I rest my case.

      • Fair Observer says:

        funny and true. findley and casey…. haha good times….. any one remember E Buddle? hahaha good times…….

        • iggy says:

          for me, E buddle was the guy who wasnt really up to the level but I was rooting for anyway. This time that is Wondo, though maybe he really is up to the level.

  22. John says:

    He needs to play at least a half and start showing why he deserves the spot. If not I think some of those issues from the Straus article last year, start making there way to the surface again. If Klinsmann is spending half the time, scouting Ghana as he is courting dual nationals we shouldn’t have any problems this summer.

  23. OU says:

    BREAKING NEWS: American Julian Green and Bayern Munich have agreed to terms with Chivas USA. MLS will pay the $33 million dollar transfer fee. Green is set to make almost $12 million this season with the Goats.

    Don Garber stated that the move “shows that MLS can compete with any other league in the world.”

    The skipper of Bayern Munich was seen laughing as he jetted away in his Mercedes. He was quoted as saying, “Get money”

    • Increase says:

      You can’t drive a car in jail cell. That’s crazy talk.

    • Jack Del says:

      Uli is getting a car in prison? I knew rich-folk prisons were nice but wow.

    • Expat4455 says:

      Driving a Mercedes. No way, it would be an Audi. Audi is a part-owner of the club and provides a new Audi each year to players and management.

  24. MVsoccerDad says:

    If some of you don’t believe that a player that is breaking into the first team of one of the top clubs in the world is better than some of the options that are seriously being considered for the World Cup roster, then no one can help you…

  25. Boyd says:

    Not good enough?
    Nothing to do this summer?
    Would you like to meet your father?
    Give us a call!
    Our player development system is specifically designed for those with no national pride and would like to increase their net worth by being a part time USNT player.
    Our experienced team of beggars, hucksters and posers will help you navigate every issue you could encounter such as:
    English as a second language.
    FIFA regulations and its loopholes.
    Give us a call!
    Operators are standing by.
    We are an equal oportunity employer.
    Se habla Español.

    • Jesse D says:

      There is this thing called class. You should look it up.

      • Fair Observer says:

        classless and hypocritical.

        i take it from his commenter name “BOYD” that this is the “witty” voice of terrence boyd who is angry that dual nationals keep signing on for USMNT and taking his spots, haha. but what’s even funnier is that Boyd is one of those players as well …. son of a US serviceman and German mother, lived in NY briefly until his parents divorced and he moved to Germany with his mother.

        ” but Boyd did not yet have a U.S. passport. For Boyd, the process of obtaining a passport forced him to deal with the pain of his family’s breakup, as he needed his biological father to sign the necessary paperwork. He eventually connected with other relatives on Facebook and used his paternal aunt as a go-between to get his papers signed”

        seems silly that Boyd would mock….. himself…..

        now lets all laugh at the commenter

    • Maykol says:

      So you would want to go into the world cup without two key players fabian johnson and jones? Yikes, the US would really have no chance then…

    • Alexandria says:

      Yea, because if he was a blonde born in Alabama you’d have no problem. Same exact story different languages. All Americans.

    • UclaBruinGreat says:

      While i dont agree with your views.. this post is funny. +1

      • Ali Dia says:

        +1 here too for the controlled rage. Might not be my position on the matter, but I know a high quality post when I see it. Very good stuff — I almost spat out my soda a couple of times.

        • Jesse D says:

          The racist comment about “would you like to meet your father” would get you fired from any analyst job in the world. That is where he crossed the line.

          • Ali Dia says:

            Actually whole thing would probably get you fired..

            I took the line you mention as a tongue-in-cheek criticism of the whole messed up process as specifically relates to the Jermaine Jones situation, for whom documenting the one-time switch involved re-connecting with his estranged father in CA in order to prove his citizenship. But this is not racist– the same situation could have happened to a white player, no?

            • Jesse D says:

              It is a common referred to criticism of African American men. Every German American player who has become apart of this team has a father of that heritage. The intent of the message was pretty clear and just uncalled for. It is the funniest comment in the post, I’m sure the one that had everyone laughing, but it was classless. Just like laughing at an Asian guy who crashes his car in of it’s self wasn’t racist unless the humor behind it had something to do with race. To paint this whole group of men with African American fathers with that brush was intentionally racist.

              • GW says:

                ” To paint this whole group of men with African American fathers with that brush was intentionally racist.”

                And you find that surprising on this site?

              • Ali Dia says:

                Well, that is how you have read it and I respect your right to think and read as you see fit but I didn’t read it that way and here is why I don’t see “racism” …

                You claim seems to be that this targeted at black German Americans– Why? The dude’s screen-name is “boyd” so how deeply could he possibly be ignorant/hateful/racist of the supposed problems facing German-American dual players? Moreover, the last line (“Se habla Español”) tells me (once I finished laughing) that it is not directed at German Americans at all– just a guy who is angry at the recent policies that (in his view) fuels the perception of the “mercenary” footballer being tolerated in the USMNT group. I don’t even champion this guy’s belief, but I think he was very articulate in expressing it. You are the one who read the racism into it, and if that is society’s belief (or yours) you should own it, not “boyd”.

                GW– I like your posts but you should be ashamed of your casual and matter-of-fact suggestion that Ives tolerates or encourages “racism”… perhaps you mean “xenophobia”, which at least has some mild credibility, but I don’t see racism tolerated here at all and you’d best be ready to back a claim like that… Examples? Be specific or else apologize… or be a chump forever… your choice.

    • Petro4ever says:

      Pepito, is that you?

  26. Wow — there is a lot of misinformation on this thread. Let’s correct some of that.

    (1) Green is a US citizen. If he were not a US citizen he would not be eligible for the one time switch and would not be able to play for the US. If a player merely has a “green card” he is not able to play for the USMNT.

    (2) Green filed his “one-time switch” paperwork. Its called that as you only get to do it once. He will now be only eligible to play for the US as cannot switch back or switch elsewhere its done.

    (3) Those of you questioning him or comparing him to Brek Shea — you do realize the Green is a burgeoning youth star for the best team in the world who played a few minuted in one of their champions league matches earlier this year. No US player has ever had that level of pedigree.

    This is a major coup and Klinnsi deserves a ton of credit.

    • the original jb says:

      I’ll give you 1 and 2 and even the final statement. #3 I’m not so sure about. D Beasley has played and scored in CL. Even if we leave out Jones, we have had several other Americans who have seen some early CL action.

      I’m as excited as any about Green’s potential, and am aware of the club he plays for, but he has to prove on the field and in training that he deserves a WC roster spot. I have never seen him play but my understanding is that he has only played mop-up minutes a couple of times for BM. Shea is a fairly proven commodity and has been with the team several years now. And while he has had some poor performances, he has been a game-changer several times as well.

      It seems pretty risky to me to throw Green in there, even as a sub, against Mexico. Talk about trial by fire. I guess JK believes he can handle it. Here’s hoping he can.

      • Ali Dia says:

        A couple of interesting side-notes with no real disagreement to either of the above:

        With regard to #3, I would suggest (and have in the past) that Green’s pedigree at this point really is quite similar to Terrence Boyd’s two years ago, when Dortmund had just done the double over Bayern and Boyd was starring in the reserves. Having not seen Boyd play (much) or Green play (at all), I have no idea who is better, but it’s worth mentioning that the similarity is there on paper.

        Green’s CL experience for the current holders is encouraging, although it should be noted that this is not without precedent. During 1997-1998, Jovan Kirovski actually appeared in three CL games with an add’l three appearances on the bench for then-Champions (keeping in theme, Dortmund). He also scored one goal.

        During Dortmund’s title run the previous year Kirovski appeared in one meaningless group stage game and did not score. However this appearance was good enough to qualify him for a CL winner’s medal, which remains the only time an American has achieved the feat.

        Which (barring a rules change) would mean Green has a chance to become the second this season should Bayern go on to defend the title. Which would be quite an achievement for an 18 year old who has barely seen the field with the first team!

        All of this is quite meaningless in the context of this discussion, but I thought it worth mentioning for the historical value (I assure you I am not a psychotic Dortmund supporter)

      • the original jb says:

        Ali Dia,

        Thank you for the backup on the history. I had completely forgotten about Kirovski, and wasn’t aware of some of those details at all. Very interesting.

        Also wanted to clarify what I meant by “risky.” The risk is not to the US team of course, but to Green himself. I don’t care how talented somebody is, 18 is a very tender age to be tossed into a US-Mexico senior game, even a friendly. Not to mention being expected to come in and be some kind of saviour for a full international team. For Green’s sake, I wish my fellow fans would temper their enthusiam a little and give him time to acclimate. 2018 is a more reasonable cycle to be excited about Green.

  27. biff says:

    It’s really quite simple. Julian Green should be treated like any other player in the USMNT pool and forced to earn his spot on the WC roster. He absolutely should not be gifted a ticket to WC 2014 above players who are currently better than him simply because he filed for the one-time switch and is now permanently cap-tied to the USMNT. He will get his chance to show his stuff against Mexico and the three send-off friendlies. If he shows well, then he will get his ticket to Brazil and a USMNT player such as Boyd or Wondo or Bedoya or Shea or whoever will be bumped from the squad, but fairly, on merit, and everybody, fans and USMNT players are happy. But if Green does not show well and is simply not ready for international competition and is not deserving of the chance of a lifetime, to play in a World Cup, but Klinsmann still gives him a ticket to Brazil, then that would not be fair to other players in the pool. Just my 2 cents.

    • Jesse D says:

      When we watch Green play, we should keep in mind Brek Shea. That is who we are comparing Green to. That is who he needs to be better than to earn a spot on the roster. If he isn’t a cut above Brek, then he shouldn’t be on the plane. 2 years ago, who would have thought the huge prospect Juan Agudelo wouldn’t even be in the conversation.

      • Duke says:

        He’s in my conversation and I expect him at Mexico too

      • Exactly — I mean Bayern Munich has been trying to sign Brek Shea for years without success. Heck, Barcelona has said if they can get Shea they will sit Pedro and Shea can take over the left side for them. Likewise, I’ve heard that Real Madrid has indicated that they’ll sit their left sided attacking player — not sure who but his initials are apparently CR — if they can just get Shea in.

        I don’t get the negativity here at all. The US gets a player that is part of the bright future of THE best club in the world right now and we are comparing him to a player SIX YEARS OLDER who just got released from his 2nd level English squad due to an attitude problem. Yes, yes, by all means — if the Bayern Munich prodigy can’t prove to be better than the Barnsley castoff in his first cap let’s get him out of here immediately…

    • biff says:

      @Jesse D, and especially you Immigration Lawyer, I am not being negative and I would be happy if the kid proves ready to play in the World Cup and kicks bu++ in Brazil. Unlike you, I am simply being realistic. You are ready to hand Green a ticket to Brazil after, let’s get this right, after he “played a few minutes in one of (Bayern’s) champions league matches earlier this year.” So that makes him qualified to go to Brazil?

      It is not yet possible to know whether Green is challenging Shea for the 23rd spot on the World Cup roster. But for argument’s sake, let’s assume that it is head-to-head competition between the two for the 23 ticket to Brazil. It could be that the upside potential of Green is much higher than Shea. But that does not mean that Green should be sent to Brazil and Shea stays home. Innate talent sometimes does not translate into much during the sweat and blood of high-level high-pressure international games. Speaking as a USMNT fan who has been highly critical of Shea in the past, he nonetheless has a lot more experience at the international level than Green. And for some reason I can’t explain, Shea often shows well. I thought his call-up for Ukraine was wrong, but no one can deny that Shea looked good when he came on as a late sub.

      None of us, not even Klinsmann the Great, knows for certain how Green will respond at the international level. Is the pressure already getting to him as our resident Julian Green expert intimated over the weekend:

      link to

      And if he already is feeling pressure, how would he respond in Brazil? Would he play with the same amount of grit and heart that we know we can expect from Break Shea? Would he be able to play fight against his Bayern teammates on the Germany national team? Those and many other questions are not yet answered.

      And that is my whole point. Before he gets a ticket to Brazil, he needs to prove during the next four friendlies that he is deserving of a spot. If he does, great, and we will see him in Brazil.

      • Expat4455 says:

        LOL biff, there you go again. you state that I said, (indicated or implied) the pressure was getting to Julian Green. And you provide a link. Maybe you should go to that link you provided and read it!

        It was concentration I was explaining and how much Julian is looking towards 02 April. Don’t you question for a minute whether this kid can handle all the pressure he is about to experience.

        bty, you asked me a question, or rather questioned my stating tht Timothy Chandler made the Bundesliga elf of the week for 2 week in a row prior to his injury. Did you get that straightened out?

        • Jesse D says:

          Alexi Lalas implied it pretty clearly that the pressure might get to the kid and that he could disrupt team chemistry. He later backed off the statement when he was asked to see the difference between the modern USMNT and the 1998 version.

          I happen to agree with regards to expectations. The pressure for any 18 year old can be daunting. Outside of his immediately family we probably don’t know how well he handles pressure. At Bayern he is just another guy. For the US we herald him as our greatest talent. It is easier to arrive in a new situation unheralded than with the expectations of a nation on you. The NFL and NBA are full of busts. These are kids who scouts said had the talent but couldn’t put it all together.

      • Nate Dollars says:

        +1, people need to stop equating caution with ‘hating’.

      • Jesse D says:

        I think we agree for the most part. The only concern I have with your original statement is the meaning of “earn his spot”. Everyone has a different definition of that. By many standards Donovan and Beasley did not earn their places in the starting lineup for the 2002 World Cup. However, looking back everyone agrees that playing those kids was the right decision. Earning sometimes just means showing the coaching staff you are a better player than the guy you are competing with. Brek Shea has some positive attributes and Jurgen is well aware of those. I trust Jurgen to make the right decision based on talent. Talent is a very important piece of the puzzle, but so is chemistry. Although I trust Jurgen to make solid talent evaluations, I know he has lost a locker room before. He needs to make sure the players understand the decisions he has made and the final 23 are ready to fight for each other this June.

        • Dirk McQuigley says:

          Good points. Chemistry becomes an issue more so when you have a bunch of selfish not team-oriented individuals. These men are professionals. They are used to having teammates come and go. Football is a business and they are forced to adapt to all these roster changes. I seriously doubt Green would upset chemistry if he beats out the immature and unpredictable Shea. Chemistry might be why guys like Wondo or Beckerman make the squad rather than not. The way I see it today. Of these six (EJ, Boyd, Wondo, Aguedelo, Shea, and Green), a maximum of three are making the roster barring injuries to the people above them on the roster.

      • recovered amishman says:

        The thing about B.S. is that for every good showing he has at least one where he disappears or plays badly. Somewhere I read that he began his career playing defense. Ironically, he might have actually had something unique to offer at leftback, but as a winger, he’s a one-trick pony who seems to only do his best work as a late substitute.

      • GW says:

        “ Unlike you, I am simply being realistic. You are ready to hand Green a ticket to Brazil after, let’s get this right, after he “played a few minutes in one of (Bayern’s) champions league matches earlier this year. So that makes him qualified to go to Brazil?”


        If Green goes it will be because the manager and his staff think he is more capable of making the team better than whoever his competition is.

        “And that is my whole point. Before he gets a ticket to Brazil, he needs to prove during the next four friendlies that he is deserving of a spot. If he does, great, and we will see him in Brazil.”

        Prove to who? You or to the USMNT coaching staff? That is not the same thing. Deserving doesn’t enter into it.

        If Green is awful for the entire evaluation period, at least he can rule himself out, maybe. Because if he is less awful towards the end it may be that the manager and his staff feel he will come good soon, preferably in the World Cup.

        However, even if he plays “well” it only proves that he does well in friendlies, not the World Cup. As you point out, the pressure is completely different.

        This is a young, unproven team in general. Green is not the only World Cup novice. The only players in the current pool who have proved they can play well in a World Cup game because they have done it are Landon, Mikey, Clint, Jozy, Edu, Gooch, and Benny. And Edu, Gooch,and Benny may not make the cut.

        Which means on a 23 man squad you might have only 4 proven guys.
        The evaluation process for Green began a long while ago. For all you know, JK has had someone watch his every game and most of his training for months now as well as researching him for any off the field issues..

        The process took a quantum leap in the two day Frankfurt training sessions because it gave Green a chance, in person, to sell himself to the players, to win them over and show that he belonged with them in terms of skill ,ability, personality and so on.

        It gave JK and his staff a chance to try out some things in terms of how Green might best be used with the other players.

        And it gave the players a chance to figure out if the kid was the real deal and whether he would fit in. Players usually know better than anyone, better than the coaches, better than the fans. And good or bad, the players would have let JK know because they have the most to gain from Green being great or the most to lose from him being crap. That was most likely one of the big reasons why Capt. Deuce was held over. And I notice JK had veterans like Howard, JJ, Fabian, Spector and Sacha around as well.

        Choosing between two players has an objective component and a subjective component. The percentages of objective vs. subjective are different for every manager. Put another way , some managers gamble and go on their gut instinct more than other managers.

        1. Point one is we can only be aware of some of the objective parts of that decision, not all of it, because we are not around these players like the coaching staff and players are. And the things you value in a player may not be that important to the coaching staff. We really don’t have any way of knowing exactly why they pick player X over player Y unless they tell you. And they don’t seem interested in doing that in anything but the most generic, clichéd and inoffensive terms.

        2. Point two is, when you factor in all the various tangible and intangible variables, Green is no more of a gamble at this stage than the 19 or so other guys who have never played well in a World Cup game, even the experienced JJ.

  28. Expat4455 says:

    Hi everyone, it’s me again.

    From reading the comments it looks that I may get get some betting action today. One poster commented that he can see Julian breaking into the starting line-up. Another replied: “how much you willing to bet?”

    My-oh-my, I would like to cover that one.

  29. 2tone says:

    Cool. Now lets see what this kid has against Mexico. I fully expect Green to get at least a 30 minute run out.

  30. Duke says:

    Knowing JKs habit of playing people in positions they are not good at, I suspect Julian Green will be our next left back.

    Kidding aside, most in this thread are talking about him replacing a forward… Boyd, Wondo, or EJ… I thought he was an outside player? Isnt Brek a more likely replacement? If he is a forward, and he does well against Mexico, I’d say.. drop Altadore since he can’t score anywhere.

    Mexico will be very interesting

  31. chuck says:

    I hope them mexicans (looking at you Rafa, Maza) don’t break him :(

  32. recovered amishman says:

    Good luck to Green. I hope he proves himself worthy. The competition for roster spots going to the World Cup is brutal, even on the USMNT. May the best men win.

  33. Stinky Pete (Julian Green Hype Machine) says:

    Julian Green is going to be the next Pele!… that is Freddy Adu. Kidding aside, the Mexico game is going to be a great chance to see this guy in action. I am super excited to see him play but it is also weird that we are all so pumped (correction 95% of us are pumped) about a player we haven’t seen. Let the games commence!

  34. Expat4455 says:

    Does anyone know, when do players report to camp (training) for the 2.April friendly?

  35. ThatKidNandez says:

    The first 18 year old at WC for US since LD

  36. Karl L. says:

    Did we learn nothing from Frddy Adu?
    If this kid is as good as people here say he is then Guardiola is the biggest moron in the world by not playing him every weekend.
    How can a player be world class before playing a minute of professional football?
    Desperation makes people act funny.

    • Expat4455 says:

      Well let’s see. Mandzukic, Ribery, Müller, Götze, Kroos, Robben, Shaqiri to name a few.

      btw, Bayern almost loaned Julian to Hanover before the start of the season, where he would have been a starter.

      • Karl L. says:

        So, he’s not as good as those players but he’s still world class?
        You have no idea what you’re talking about.
        There is world class and then threre is potential.
        Look it up

        • What on earth are you talking about? The USMNT does not have a single world class player on the team. Are you suggesting that to beat out Brek Shea he needs to be world class? How on earth have you elected to bring that phrase into your lexicon? Sure, Green has the potential to be world class — he is a valued young player on a team with a coach and a system with an eye for talent. However, thinking that he would need to be world class to make the USMNT is insane.

        • Expat4455 says:

          u just wait Karl, u just wait

          btw, I was simply telling you why Julian is not starting for Bayern today and that he would have been a season-long starter for Hanover.

          I don’t remember ever saying, or even thinking for that matter that today Julian Green is a world-class player.

    • Freddy Adu’s big accomplishment as a teenager was breaking in with DC United. Julian Green’s was making an impact at the best club in the world with the best manager in the world and being a key to that club’s future plans. If you can’t see the difference between those two things then I can’t really show you anything…

      link to

    • GOYA-GOYA says:

      Apparently, playing in the Champions League does not qualify him as a professional.

      Who would have thought? Huh, I must be the most ignorant person on this board.

    • solles says:

      really apples to oranges with the adu comparison. One, Green is in a much better professional environment. Two, Adu was being played in the first team at 14 ffs. No wonder it all went to his head.

  37. espada says:

    There’s a lot of hate here. I just want to see him play vs. Mexico is all. No reason to attack US player development or make unfathomable comparisons to Freddy Adu (apples to oranges kind of thing btw). I also don’t see why him playing at the World Cup is a bad thing because it gives him experience to play at the highest level. Chill out peoples.

  38. MikeG says:

    Landon Donovan was 20 at the 2002 WC. I would say the door is open for Green. Carpe Diem.

  39. MiamiAl says:

    List of notable past Bayern Munich Reserve Team players: Dietmar Hamann, Owen Hargreaves, Mats Hummels, David Alaba, Holger Badstuber, Diego Contento, Toni Kroos, Philipp Lahm, Thomas Müller, Bastian Schweinsteiger…

    I think Julian Green’s education is in good hands. Send him to Brazil, he will be a difference maker!

    • John says:

      Don’t forget Saer Sene

    • Fair Observer says:

      -miamiAl, exactly! people think the term “Bayern Munich Reserve team” means he isnt good. Green is plenty good, just not better than the current starters (which is VERY GOOD). He’s 18 and is coming along in the process.

      Green isnt waltzing into the USMNT Brazil WC starting XI but he is coming in as a better option than brad davis….. agudelo perhaps, wondlowski (it should really be obvious why an 18yo training with Bayern is better than a 30yo MLS late bloomer…. come on guys….), and perhaps some others (Boyd? Shea? etc) but this is all up for debate essentially, the only certainties are that he’s a good addition and could help the USMNT….. the rest is to be seen…

    • John says:

      Interesting stat, Thomas Muller in 2009 season for Bayern II had 14 goals in 32 appearances. Julian with 15 in just 22.

      • Fair Observer says:

        Thanks john, thats very interesting, quite relevant. I would just copy and paste that in response to all the silly people saying that we’re hyping up “some kid that only plays in the german 4th division”…. hahahah. Green is one of the best prospects from the US (Adu was not…..). hoping it all pans out but he’s got a lot of potential.

        • John says:

          They were in the 3. Liga at the time however not the Regionalliga

        • John says:

          If your looking to feed the hype its a good one. However if you wanted to play him down, last season a player named Marius Duhnke scored 15 in 26 for Bayern II, and this season plays for Unterhaching in the 3 Liga where he only has 4 goals in 27 matches.

    • solles says:

      then again Jovan Kirovski was once a Manchester United youngster

  40. bryan says:

    Boyd is not going to be booted by Green, IMO. IF it’s a striker that gets the boot, it’ll be either EJ or Wondo. Magee has no chance anyway, although it sounds like he’ll be in camp against Mexico.

    as Ives pointed out, Green is competing with Shea and Davis. since Davis doesn’t really have a shot and with Shea now back to getting no playing time, Green could make his way into the team. doubt he plays much at all, similar to Boyd, but he could get some minutes.

    • Expat4455 says:

      We already have one bet bryan, why not make it two. I say Green plays at least 25 minutes against Mexico.

      • bryan says:

        no, that’s a bad bet for me because that’s absolutely going to happen. him starting two games in Brazil is a different beast entirely.

        • Expat4455 says:

          but didn’t you just say that you doubt if Julian plays much at all? Isn’t that what you said? Isn’t that what you believe?

          If you didn’t believe it, why did you say it?

          • Fair Observer says:

            he was saying Green may only get a few mintues IN BRAZIL, he wasnt talking about the mexico game….. relax expat, we know u believe in Green, haha.

            • Expat4455 says:

              He did Fair? Please point out to me where bryan said “IN BRAZIL”.

              • Fair Observer says:

                implied context, relax…

                to further explain, the first sentence says “Boyd is not going to be booted by Green” and since Boyd is most likely not going to be called in for the mexico game its safe to say he is speaking about the WC.

                “Magee has no chance anyway, although it sounds like he’ll be in camp against Mexico.” then from this sentence, he’s saying that magee has no chance [of making it to brazil], although he’ll be in camp against mexico. implying that magee is playing in the mexico game with the assumption that he still wouldnt make it to brazil.

                so when he says things like “green could make his way into the team” he’s speaking of the BRAZIL team, not the roster for one friendly against mexico….. simple context, expat.

              • bryan says:

                By saying in Brazil is a “different beast entirely.” Referring to his playing time.

                Green is obviously going to play 25+ in the USA v Mexico game. He’s not flying to Phoenix on a non FIFA date to play less than that.

    • Expat4455 says:

      Or, what if I say Julian will play more minutes than Wondo and Boyd combined?

      • bryan says:

        well Wondo isn’t going to the World Cup and i doubt Boyd will play much at all. so no, we’ll stick with the original bet!

        good luck!

        • Expat4455 says:

          LOL bryan, you turned down my bet offer, saying about Boyd: “I doubt Boyd will play much at all” Isn’t that exactly what you said about Green, the very same words?

          • bryan says:

            You need chill man. Our bet is you saying Green will start at LEAST two games in the WORLD CUP.

            I’m saying he gets limited minutes at the World Cup…much like Boyd. Both, IMO, will be at the World Cup and not get many minutes. Get it?

            As staed above, i think it’s clear Green will play more than 25 minutes against Mexico.

            • Expat4455 says:

              Wait a minute here, Okay, I did say he will start at least 2 games at the WC. You are now saying he gets limited minutes at the WC, much like Boyd?

              I thought we had a bet, but if you are changing it the way you said, well sure, go ahead. Limited minutes, much like Boyd means he is not starting.

              • bryan says:

                he isn’t going to start two games in the group stage of the 2014 World Cup in Brazil. This is NOT complicated. You bet he would, I bet he wouldn’t. If I lose, I copy/paste some comment that says I know nothing about the game so you can feel good about yourself.

                Everything after that is just WHY i think that he won’t start at the 2014 World Cup in Brazil. I think that he will not start because I think he will maybe play limited minutes at the World Cup.

                To add, if I WIN, I don’t give a $h!t.

              • Fair Observer says:

                haha bryan, i feel you on the bet, i have a “bet” with Expat too, and i feel the same way. if i win, i could care less….. but if Expat keeps splooging in his pants at least some one’s happy.

    • Louis Z says:

      The only one that can boot out Boyd is EJ, he is the like for like replacement for Jozy. And from the looks of it, EJ is not having a good season.

  41. Expat4455 says:

    Holy cow bryan, you won’t let me hedge my bet. You first said Julian would not start in Brazil, not a chance. Assuming that you believe what you say, although I must admit, I am now wondering about that a little, I offered you a bet. You said he wouldn’t start in Brazil, not a chance,

    In the face of that, I offered you the bet where it went much in your favor over your stated position, I said if Julian only starts one game of the first 3 in Brazil, you win.

    Tell me, how much more could I have given you?

  42. It’s good that he picked US over Germany however we should worry about creating a solid generation instead of depending on a superstar player.

  43. Expat4455 says:

    Here is my offer Fair, My position is that Julian starts at least 2 of the first 3 matches in Brazil. Your position is that he doesn’t start any, not a one.

    If Julian doesn’t start any of the 3 you win. If Julian starts 2 or more, I win. If Julian starts one match it is a push, a tie.

    What you say?

    • Expat4455 says:

      Okay, you accepted the bet at 10:13, it’s a bet. That makes my extra offer at 10:16 null and void. We have a bet. If Julian does’t start in any of the first 3 matches in Brazil you win. If Julian starts at least one of the three I win.

      Now, the bet is for silence. For how long? And does it include sock puppets too? You know, like biff and his troup.

      • Fair Observer says:

        the only thing worth less than an internet bet is internet gloating after winning said internet bet… haha. good luck anyways, sir

        • Expat4455 says:

          So, are you are a weasel Fair? You made the bet, it was for silence. How many days? If I lose how many days must I not comment here, and if you lose how many days must you not comment here? That is the only thing left.

          You offered the bet and I accepted. It is worth something, if I win I will not have to put up with you for awhile. How ’bout we say 2 weeks? The loser must refrain from commenting here for 2 weeks.

          • Fair Observer says:

            the implied context of me saying “good luck, sir” is that i was accepting the bet…. please point out where i said i was weaseling out of said bet?…… ill wait…………………..

            • Expat4455 says:

              Okay, fair question Fair. When I first read your saying: “the only thing worth less than an internet bet………… I took it as our bet was worthless. And believe me, I don’t think it is worthless.

              Now, in re-reading it and reading this maybe I slightly over-reacted. Okay sir, how long must the loser refrain from commenting here. I suggested 2 weeks, but I will consider what you think. I know, how about 1 day? What do you think?

              • Expat4455 says:

                Okay, I may have over-reacted again. Even though you said silence, and I did take that seriously, I now take it as the winner will be able to gloat.

                Correct me if I am wrong. But whatever, we have a bet. ps, I don’t know how to put up a smiley face.

              • Fair Observer says:

                2 facts:

                1-We DO have a bet.

                2-It IS still worthless….

                as for the “prize”, since you seem so enthused from this bet, ill let you decide the time period of silence or acceptable amount of gloating……….

              • Expat4455 says:

                Fair enough Fair. Fair enough. Okay, I say no silence, because I now like to hear what you have to say. So, how ’bout we say the winner can gloat for one day.

                However, and make no mistake about it, I will for ever and for ever disagree with you on this point, It is not worthless.

  44. Expat4455 says:

    You did good bryan, you made a good bet, I am thinking your and my bet is 50-50 as to the winner. I am a little worried about it.

    • John says:

      On the subject of bets, looked like Shea made the bench this weekend

      Expat4455 says:
      March 10, 2014 at 9:20 PM
      By the way John, did you see that I gave you a window in your favor. I said if Stoke takes him back and put him on their 18 then you win. However I made it harder for myself to win. I said if Stoke takes him and puts him on any part of their team, (meaning Stoke can put him on their reserve team) then you win.

      What more can I do John?

      • Expat4455 says:

        Oh my goodness, good point John. And we did go so on and on about it too, maybe me more than you, but of course I can do that sometimes.

        Okay, Shea did not play in the match but he did sit on the bench. So, even if he never sits on the bench again he was put on Stoke’s roster. So, for sure, you won the bet fair and square. I salute you sir, I lost.

        Thank God we didn’t have anything major riding on it like I have with bryan and Fair Observer.

        • John says:

          haha i think it took a couple Stoke players getting suspended and Ireland not being allowed to play as part of his contract when he came from Villa. Its going to be hard for Shea to actually get any playing time. I just thought it was kind of funny with more bets being thrown down.

          • Expat4455 says:

            Indeed it was great fun John. And I thank you for calling me out on it. LOL, and I am really lol. Even though I am a man I thing of that song by a girl: I just want to have fun, or something like that.

  45. Felix says:

    How many senior team games has this kid even played and you see some fans already crowning this kid as the next coming – its embarrassing.

  46. Expat4455 says:

    I would like for all of you to know that I made a bet with John concerning Brek Shea and I said he has no chance of anything at Stoke. I was wrong and I lost the bet with John. I had no clue about what I was talking about concerning Mr. Shea.

  47. Boyd says:

    Forget playing time. The main question now is what kind of tattoo he’ll get.
    Ol’ Glory, Uncle Sam or Bald Eagle.
    Place your bets accordingly.

  48. solles says:

    best USA news in awhile! hope he makes the plane to Brazil, start him early like we did with Donovan

  49. Louis Z says:

    LD will start each game but Green will chip at it as the tournament nears. If reports are correct, Green is suppose to be faster and shiftier than current LD and here is an interesting stat…Green has a cannon of a shot from outside the 18 that is something that LD never had. I’m looking forward to Green’s play in Arizona.

  50. home focus says:

    This type of effort should be focused on getting Darlington Nagbe and Osvaldo Alonso eligible to play for the US – both way more tested and deserving. Has no one on this site seen Darlington play? No one can handle him.

    • Joe+G says:

      Nagbe is waiting on the clock so he can become a citizen after December 2015. Alonso’s request is held up in FIFA limbo, with no sign of resolution. Not sure there is much more that we can do right now.

  51. Hayes says:

    There are still some matches to go to see if Green gets on the plane. Only the staff and players know how he matched up with the others that were in the training sessions a few weeks ago. The one exciting thing for me is if he can bring some pace to get in behind especially as the matches open up in the 2nd half.

    Long term, let’s see how he develops without anointing him our savior.

  52. Bac says:

    Theres a great article in USA Today, an interview with Green’s Father about the decision to play for the U.S.A.

  53. GW says:


    FYI, if you feel like it read the whole, rather long article.

    link to

    “And what of the question of American identity? Does Julian think of himself as an American or a German?

    “I don’t know what that really means,” says his father. “Julian grew up, as far as day-to-day routine, in Germany…but he also was here, every year of his life. And when he was here, he was acting like any other red-blooded American kid.”

    Jerry Green also had a little story about his two sons. When they were younger, he recalls, the older Justin (who was born in Germany, but attended high school in the states) would poke fun at his brother when young Julian forgot an English word.

    “Julian would get very defensive when his brother would make fun of [his English],” his father said. “So Julian would say to his brother, ‘Yeah, well, I was born in America and you weren’t. I’m from Tampa and you’re not. You’re German. I’m an American.’””