USMNT eliminated from World Cup by Belgium after extra-time rally falls short

Jermaine Jones and DaMarcus Beasley of USA show a look of dejection at full time after being eliminated from the World Cup

Photo by Kieran McManus/


SALVADOR, Brazil — The U.S. Men’s National Team’s latest attempt at a World Cup rally fell short, and its run at the World Cup is over as a result.

The U.S. were eliminated from the World Cup on Tuesday night at Arena Fonte Nova, suffering a 2-1 extra time loss to Belgium in their Round of 16 match. The Americans found themselves down two goals at the start of the second half of extra time, but a quick strike from substitute Julian Green gave Jurgen Klinsmann’s side a shot at finding an equalizer.

It never came despite the Americans having a few quality chances, and they were knocked out for the second straight World Cup in the first round of the knockout stage.

That the Americans even made it to extra time without conceding was largely down to the spectacular play of Tim Howard, who made 16 saves en route to delivering one of the best performances of his career in front of 51,227 fans. The total was the most a goalkeeper has made in a World Cup match since 1966 and saw Howard named the official Man of the Match.

“Obviously, it’s a bummer for us ending on the losing side after a game of 120 minutes that gave everything to the fans, to the crowd, a real drama, a thriller,” said Klinsmann. “We had enough possibilities to equalize that game and we meant to put it away earlier. But big compliment to Belgium and congratulations to them to move on into the quarterfinals.”

Howard was peppered with shots and came up big time and again before Kevin De Bruyne struck a low shot to the far post in the 93rd minute. Substitute Romelu Lukaku helped make that play happen and he made it 2-0 just before the end of the first half of extra time.

Trying inject some life into his team after it struggled to keep possession and create chances, Klinsmann inserted Green with the U.S.’s final substitution. The move paid off rather quickly, as Green wonderfully volleyed home a gorgeous ball from Michael Bradley in the 107th minute to score his first international goal.

The Americans had chances afterwards to pull level, but Jermaine Jones sent an acrobatic effort wide right and Clint Dempsey was denied from close range by Belgium goalkeeper Thibaut Courtois.

“I thought I had a great touch on it,” said Dempsey. “It was one of those situations that he was aggressive on the play. He came out and made it difficult, made the goal small with his reaction. It was one of those where you try your best and no regrets.”

Belgium was the better team for much of the 120 minutes in Salvador, and it did not win the match in regulation because of the heroic performance from Howard and some poor finishing.

Howard was called immediately into action, denying Divock Origi after the Belgian forward raced past Omar Gonzalez and fired a low shot from the right in the first minute. Howard also negated De Bruyne in the 24th minute and late in the first half.

“This was definitely an amazing goalkeeper performance,” said Klinsmann. “There is no doubt about it. He should be very proud of himself and we are proud to have him with us.”

The U.S.’s only real chance in a first half that saw it lose Fabian Johnson to a hamstring injury in the 32nd minute came through Dempsey, whose 21st-minute effort was too weak to trouble Courtois.

Belgium went right back to work in the second half, but Howard continued to make impressive stops to keep the game scoreless. He smacked away a Dries Mertens header in the 48th minute, denied substitute Kevin Mirallas on a one-on-one opportunity after the hour-mark and stoned Origi on a great look in the 72nd minute.

“It was incredible, the amount of saves that he had,” said centerback Matt Besler. “Sometimes it’s hard to realize what’s going on because it’s Tim Howard and that’s what we expect of him. He’s one of the best goalkeepers in the world and it’s comforting as a defender knowing you have a guy like that behind you. He played incredible tonight.”

While the Belgians were frustrated by their inability to beat Howard, they also wasted some opportunities. Mertens hit a back heel from close range wide after receiving a pass from the left flank and Vincent Kompany failed to cleanly connect on an open shot inside the penalty area that Howard parried.

U.S. substitute Chris Wondolowski could have been a hero in the dying seconds of the game, but he sent a shot from close range over the crossbar despite being unmarked. The linesman on the near side incorrectly had raised his flag for offside, so a goal likely would not have counted even if Wondolowski had found the back of the net.

The match went into extra time, and Belgium finally beat Howard through a well-hit shot from De Bruyne. The play started when Dempsey was stripped of the ball in Belgium’s half and continued when substitute Romelul Lukaku mustered off a challenge from Besler before sending in the ball that wound up at De Bruyne’s feet.

Lukaku then put the Belgians up by two goals by hitting a hard shot past Howard from the left of the penalty area.

“Don’t give up. They scored two goals, we can score two goals,” said Besler on what the U.S. players were telling each other when it was 2-0. “At that point in the game, it’s tough to manage because everyone’s running on tired legs. We’re obviously down a goal so we want to put numbers forward, but they have fresh legs up top and credit to them they were able to find him out on the break and it was a tough assignment once he came on.”

The Americans looked gassed and all but finished, but Green gave them a lifeline two minutes after entering the match. Dempsey could have equalized a few minutes later after getting on the end of a drawn-up free kick that saw the U.S. pass instead of shoot, but his effort from eight yards out was blocked by Courtois in one of the final plays of the tournament for the Americans.

The U.S. finished 1-2-1 in Brazil.

“It was a game that just went to the extreme,” said Klinsmann. “We all are very, very, very proud of our team, of every player stepping on the field today, gave everything they had. I think they made their country proud with this performance and also with their entire performance in this World Cup and you have to swallow this for a second but after a little bit of a break you have to move on.”

Belgium will now move onto the quarterfinals, and will face Argentina in Brasilia on Saturday.

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649 Responses to USMNT eliminated from World Cup by Belgium after extra-time rally falls short

  1. Jim in Atlanta says:

    I’m just going to go ahead and get this out the way


    • pk-tackle says:

      Was the play offside or not? Seems the commentators didn’t catch it, or it was play on.

      But yes, what a terrible miss.

      • Shawn says:

        wondo was offside but they called it so either way we wouldve been screwed

        • UclaBruinGreat says:

          Wrong. Was not offside, and the ref didn’t call it offside either. Goal would have counted.

          • bryan says:

            he absolutely had his flag up for offside. unless he was calling a foul against us. either way, the AR was waving that flag around. but yes, Wondo was certainly onside.

            • chris says:

              He was pointing for a goal kick. Way onside

              • bryan says:

                way onside, but you’re right about the flag too. just re-watched it and turns out TT and Ian were just being wrong. even this article says the AR called it offside.

            • FGB says:

              if you check the Yahoo blog writers post, he points out that the official FIFA stats list no offsides against the US for the game. Thus it was not called offside.

            • User222 says:

              many times the refs over rule the linesman by ignoring the raised flag… although ref and line judge have diff angles the ref “sees” something and lets the play continue.

            • User222 says:

              dont go anywhere….

              2015 – Gold Cup (summer in US cities)
              2016 – Copa America Centenary (summer in US cities)
              2016 – World Cup Qualifying (spring and fall in US cities)
              2017 – FIFA Confederations Cup (summer in Russia)
              2017 – World Cup Qualifying (spring and fall in US cities)
              2018 – FIFA World Cup (summer in Russia)

          • Bitman says:

            Correct. not even close to offsides.

      • bbstl says:

        Not offside. The AR was pointing for a goal kick when the ball went over.

        • Donovan's Ghost says:

          what a shame to waste such a great game by Howard. Klinnsman gets to mull over his Wondo selection for a few years.

      • Jim in Atlanta says:

        On sides. Not even close.

    • Manny F says:

      We all know that he was just a little ahead of Donovan too.

      • pk-tackle says:

        Wondo over Aron…

        Aron could have been more useful with his technical ability.

        • CJ says:

          Not just his technical ability, but he is far beyond Wondo in his tactical decision making. Wondo does not know how to move off the ball to create space for himself and his teammates.

          • MLS watcHER says:

            That is easily the most ignorant comment of the day. Wondolowski’s movement off the ball is what made him the leading scorer in MLS, and what earned him his spot on the squad.

          • Langston Hughes says:

            You must be a far more astute judge of off-the-ball movement than John Terry, because he said Wondo’s movement was very difficult to deal with…..but once again, that was just one man’s opinion

          • Umlaut says:

            While I do think Aron seems intuitively intelligent in movement and positioning, Wondo has basically made his career by being in the right places at the right times.

      • MLS_Soccer_Talker says:

        GET OVER IT

        • beachbum says:


          • MLS_Soccer_Talker says:


            • UclaBruinGreat says:

              And keep telling people to let it go for an eternity! You obviously dislike Donovan, and that’s keeping you from admitting that he is better than many of the players chosen over him, and that he would have helped.

            • The Ugly Game says:

              We can cry for the next four years!

            • beachbum says:

              CRY? you go ahead and APOLOGIZE for the mistake an eternity!

              • KingGoogleyEye says:

                “The truth is that my colleague Landon Donovan suffered the result of being cut from the roster in the training camp he suffered with me.”

                ~ Jurgen Klinsmann, 2014

              • Jesse D says:

                The US needed 1 more clutch player. The most clutch player in US history would have finished that.
                Maybe he wouldn’t have been standing there though, so who knows. Wondo always looked scared of the moment. Not ready for the big time. Some men are born with nerve for the big moment, Howard, Dempsey, Donovan they are built of that special stuff. Wondo, unfortunately is not.

              • GW says:

                “Some men are born with nerve for the big moment, Howard, Dempsey, Donovan they are built of that special stuff. Wondo, unfortunately is not.”

                Dempsey should have put away that that chance off the free kick in extra time. He does that 9 time out of 10. That would have taken it to penalties.

                So much for your theory.

              • bryan says:


                but remember this:

                “6 – Clint Dempsey created more chances for his USA team-mates than any other player in the squad at the WorldCup. Focus.” – Opta

              • bryan says:

                in addition to his two goals.

        • Jim in Atlanta says:

          Never. Klinnsman made all the right moves and subs throughout the tournament but putting wondo in over Aron was a mistake. Wondo is a hustler poacher who should be put in when trying to hold lead or as a third forward when looking for a goal. He doesn’t have the quality or ability to be the first forward off the bench. More goes into a goal than just standing there waiting. Especially when the team is struggling with possession and skill for that matter.

          • Critical Today Only says:

            JK got a lot of things right this Cup, but his fatal mistake was starting both Zusi and Bedoya against a team that was vulnerable down the flanks. Putting in Wondo when we were getting killed in the midfield was a bad sub too. That should have been Mix or Aron. JK had a chance to show he believed in this team and instead he had them come out like Honduras. That’s hard for me to swallow since the last 20 minutes showed that this was a team that deserved the chance to die going forward instead of sitting back.

            • Matthew R says:

              Those last 20 minutes we also gave up 2 goals and Belgium was sitting back and letting us come at them. Klinsmann did his job and then some just guiding us to the round of 16 at this WC, but the reason we lost in the end is that we were outclassed, which is something that we will overcome with time

            • 1st Time Caller says:

              Thank You! 100% my sentiments exactly. It was a damn shame to go out like that

            • Johnny says:

              Agree completely. People took the ball away from Zusi at will both this game and last. I really think he is a great example of an MLS player who does well at the club level but cannot make the transition to WC-level play.

              Before the tourney, I kept telling people that if the best we have at midfielders we have are Bedoya, evans, and Zusi, we’re in trouble. Very surprised we did as well as we did. Happy though.

            • Flagermunsen. says:

              The TRUTH. Finally someone said it.

              Belgium was vulnerable down the flanks. Vertongen could be out run and it forces DeBruyne to hold more.

      • danny says:

        What’s funny is that if Wondo scores that (probably does 7 out of 10 times) then Klinsman is hailed as an oracle for his player selection, BUT I guess people would have still complained about Green’s choice and we now see how that turned out.

        • 1st Time Caller says:

          That is funny.

        • Jesse D says:

          If Jurgen believed in green, he should have played him. This was a game desperate for pace on the wing.
          Jurgen waited to long.

        • Nate says:

          Jurgen was correct to bring the young players. He was incorrect to bring 32 year old world cup rookies instead of a 32 year old 5 time world cup goal scorer. There is no question that Landon Donovan finds a way to score that goal. At the very least, you’d rather have him in that position over Wondolowski, who has a history of missing those types of sitters.

          • GW says:

            “At the very least, you’d rather have him in that position over Wondolowski, who has a history of missing those types of sitters.”

            Really? I’ve seen LD miss his share of sitters.

    • UclaBruinGreat says:

      It’s obvious that for some reason all the people that were watching on ESPN are confused for some reason??

      I was watching on Univision. It was clearly not offside. Not only was Wondo not offside, but the linesman didn’t call it offside. If he had scored it it would have counted. You can clearly see the Belgium players screaming at the linesman protesting why he didn’t raise his flag.

      Wondo could have put us through but shanked it. I hate him even more now!

      • CJ says:


      • barkdog says:

        Wrong. That goal wouldn’t have put us through.

      • recovered amishman says:

        I doubt if any fan is being harder on Wondolowski than he is himself right now. Dempsey knocked his free ball right into the goalie…not much better. I say give the guy a break.

        • Lorenzo says:

          Furious at Wondo but agree to a point, Wondo wasn’t the only one that missed at chance out there. Believe, I’m mad at him, but we had other chances we couldn’t put away. Granted that one and Dempseys chance after the free kick play might have been our best.

        • Karim says:

          Also hugely disappointed in Wondo for that shank and am sure he’ll have nightmares about it for years to come.

          But what all the haters have not commented on is that he had been doing pretty well up to that point and his hard work, link up play, and harassing defenders actually lead to a few half chances for the US. A hustle play to pressure a defender lead to the throw in that started that whole sequence where he failed to finish. Wish he would have done better, but he was not the reason we lost.

          • Nate says:

            Given all the crap that people on these boards gave to Altidore for not scoring, that was Wondos sole job– to poach. All of the people screaming for his inclusion over Altidore (and even justifying his inclusion over Donovan) must now eat some serious crow. All the hustle in the world cannot make up for shanking a golden opportunity to send the US into the quarterfinal.

      • The Garrincha says:

        UCLA, Wonderwow, had a rubber foot in the most important moment of his soccer career.
        Too bad, I thought maybe American raised players would have realized
        you have the ball and the goal in front of you, you go at it with everything you have. as American bread players we still have to learn this.
        now learn this please, finish! it is all that matters,
        and that will never change.
        Wam, and Leroux, or Morgan would have.
        You three and everybody else on our ladies team remember this, and never forget it. Next year is your turn to bring it back home.

    • Absolutely, JIM He had two glorious chances to get even and screwed thwem both from 5 or 6 yartds away!
      Joe N Santos

    • Gary Page says:

      Of course we will never know if Donovan would have been able to score had he been in then, but I remember writing “Who do you want in the last few minutes of a game when you need a crucial goal–the internationally inexperienced Wondolowski or all time leading US scorer Landon Donovan?”

      • GW says:

        John Brooks

        • The Garrincha says:

          GW, Gary Page,
          You two among others are old school,
          been here since way back.
          I may not always agree but I truly appreciate and
          enjoy your thoughts, analysis, facts, and insight.

      • 1st Time Caller says:

        I remember you writing that, and I remember answering out loud “Effen Donovan” smh

      • Jesse D says:

        There is zero doubt in my mind, Landon Donovan finishes that 10 out of 10 times. He is one of the guys who rises to the occasion. Wondo will remember that moment for the rest of his life. It was always a mistake to pin our World Cup hopes on an MLS overachiever. We had so many better options Aguedelo, Boyd, Donovan, Johannson who was on the sideline. JK made the wrong call. He got some right this tournament. He got some wrong too.

        • Nate says:

          Absolutely. Everyone made a big deal of the 9 goals he had scored, but they all came in low pressure situations against teams like Belize and Mexico’s C team.

          Remember how big a deal folks were making about the first half of that Mexico friendly? How Bradley was now some kind of #10? Now we see that first half for what it truly was…a mirage. Wondo and Bradley have to be the biggest goats of this tournament (throw in Brad Davis, too).

          • GW says:


            Ah yes, a glass half empty type person.

            Why do you look for goats? Are you going to hunt these people down and kill them? Or make it your mission in life to make their lives miserable? I would have thought you would have better things to do.

            Besides, no matter what Wondo says he will be haunted by this for the rest of his life and will never ever, get a shot at making up for it. The man makes his living as a soccer player and now everything about soccer will remind him of possibly the worst moment of his life. He always wanted to go to the World Cup, I’ll bet he never thought it would turn into the nightmare it probably will for him. That should make you happy,though.
            The USMNT and JK have nothing to be ashamed of. Their exit is due to bad luck and great goalkeeping by the Belgians.

            The USMNT took a Belgian team that was literally twice as talented and held them handily for 90 minutes. Howard was great but he was great in no small part because he had a great defense working with him. The entire back four and the midfield kept everything manageable until the Belgians got tired and towards the end the US were getting their chances.

            This is not ideal, it is the “hard way” that JK spoke off but that is what you do when you are outclassed and “out talented” a significant amount. When you stop being upset you might realize that this Belgian team is about as talented as any in the World Cup, are playing well, and have a great a chance to win it.
            Argentina need to upgrade their play a LOT, if they want to survive.

            Belgium earned their win but If Wondo puts that chance away Belgium are dead, finished and then we go to meet Argentina. It’s not fair but I have seen more than a few big games end this way.
            That Wondo failed to put that chance away is really down to bad luck. Nine out of ten players of any description probably put that chance away. Would LD have put it away? Maybe but we’ll never know because he didn’t want to be there bad enough for us to find out.

            And even after they went up 2-0 the US came back and really should have tied it but Belgium’s keeper was up to the task.

            So go ahead and be mad but it’s a shame you can’t appreciate what a great team America had at the 2014 World Cup. Unlike you I am quite proud of them, all of them, even the PR people.

    • Uncle Sam says:

      Oh yeah who could have predicted tht Wondolowski wouldn’t score against real competion and choke against a real team like he did? Oh yes ! Me and 99% of the US natl team fans outside of San Jose


      Wondo was Klinsmans Ricardo Clark

      • Jesse D says:

        Not quite his Clark. Wondo played because of injury to Altidore. Bob Bradley had no such excuse.

  2. Smith says:

    He may never live that one down

    • Max says:

      He deserves to never live it down. I almost feel bad for him, but he will cry himself to sleep on his giant pillow made of money.

  3. Buttian_Warlord says:

    Why oh why didn’t we press like that before we went down by 2?

    • bbstl says:

      No kidding! They talked and talked about how they gave Germany too much respect and they come out and defend for 90 minutes.

      • JayAre says:

        I’m tired of respecting these beatable euro teams it’s getting frustration now

        • tru_patriot says:

          +1 bro.. +1… Had we played like we did the last 10 minutes since the beginning, I bet you their goalie wouldn’t have stopped 1/2 of what Howard got.

          We need to learn to play aggressively and offensive.

          • Lorenzo says:

            We misuse most of our chances, they would have had way more breakaways, and we would have been dead exhausted by 70 minutes.

            • twosevenstreet says:

              Shame this is lost on most.

              • PSU says:

                Yep. We started to press after they went up 1-0 and immediately they had one of the best chances of the game then scored shortly after that. It would have been scoring opportunities on 4 vs 3 instead of scoring opportunities where it was 6 vs. 9 like it was.

          • The Garrincha says:

            Thank You, True Patriot and everybody else who sees it agrees and understands, time to take it to them 90 minutes plus all the time every time.
            `PLUS 10 still looking for Pele, but Money Green ain’t so bad.

          • Tommy B. says:

            No way could the US have pulled a high press for more than 30 minutes. The team would have been tired by the second half and the high press is extremely vulnerable, leaving wide open spaces. Plus, makes no sense to high press teams that have better quality individual players than your own team.

        • JayAre says:

          I’m just noticing this but we only scored 5 goals in this WC and 3 of them came from Germerica. Algeria brought a team with 16 french born players. I don’t care if the next WC all our guys are foreign born. F* it.

        • alf says:

          We always play very well when we have to play with urgency.
          OH well! Can’t wait for Copa America 2016!

          • Tommy B. says:

            You mean 2015, right? And who will you be cheering for, ’cause the US is not in it this time.

    • futbolisimo says:

      Because – Belgium was applying too much offensive pressure. At the end, it looked like we were pressing by choice, but in reality it was only because Belgium sat back in a defensive posture because of the 2-0 lead.

      • JayAre says:

        Want to know what I realized about these Euro teams? We are way better at defending than they are. We pressed hard and scored in minutes they pressed for 95 minutes and scored

        • futbolisimo says:

          Well… I don’t know… We certainly have a superb goalkeeper… It’s misleading I think to to think we can defend better than other elite teams. Really, on one level, anybody can do that – the game is so much more than that.

        • beachbum says:

          agreed in general. we defend, along with many of the Conmebol and other Concacaf teams, as a team. It’s always a HUGE difference. Everyone defends

      • Buttian_Warlord says:

        This is half true, but it was also the result playing with pace up the wings and crashing the box. Yedlin owned that sideline for the majority of the game, but we under utilized it, and didn’t throw anyone forward to finish.

        • futbolisimo says:

          I agree. And I think too that this is the product of an inability to possess the ball in the middle of the park so that we have the liberty to crash the box.

          • Bitman says:

            Exactly. It’s not like we didn’t try to attack. We just had difficultly building through the center of the pitch.

            • The Garrincha says:

              Futbolisimo and bitman you are both correct.
              but the real question is why did we not have this. Where are all those skilled players?. American coaches, again please learn how to identify and teach the beautiful game.

      • Paul says:

        The difference is first touch. Our first touch isn’t as bad as it was a generation ago, but still not quite at the level of some teams. Eventually, if you play wide open, the difference in touch translates into scoring opportunities.

        So while Belgium was pressing, we really didn’t have much choice but sit back and defend. Sometimes on transition to attack we were able to string some passes together, and that’s when our opportunities opened. But most of the time we tried, they closed space, we couldn’t hold the ball because someone’s first touch wasn’t perfect – and typically we launched something down field for Dempsey to try to make something happen against a couple defenders. It’s tough to watch, but it stems from a lack of touch in midfield.

        • Kmac014 says:

          Yup the first touch is what separates good players from bad players for the most part

        • futbolisimo says:

          Well… I don’t know… it’s a lot more than first touch. ..

          The U.S. suffers from a dearth of imagination, inventiveness, ingenuity, etc…

          It’s okay though, this will develop as the pro system transforms to the pyramid system (relegation, etc.) that the rest of the world plays under…

          … in addition to moving the game out of the middle class and more into the working classes (as athletes from b-ball migrate over, etc.)…

          • Dan says:

            Holy Horse Sh*t. You think those Belgian players are from the tough rugged streets of Bruge? You think the Germans live in poverty kicking a rounded piece of mud? This has nothing to do with the middle class or working class. We just don;t have the players. The same reason Belgium hasn’t qualified since 2002 is the same reason we look so average the last 3 World Cups. We’re just not in a good cycle. We just happen to come out of an easy region and don’t tell me it isn’t easy.

            • Nate says:

              I think Mexico, Costa Rica and the US have shown its not as easy as many have believed.

          • Jesse D says:

            I can’t wait for us to have a good like the Premier League. Then we will play as well as England!

          • Paul says:

            It’s hard to be imaginative and inventive… when you are struggling to control the ball.

            At this level, speed of play is too fast for anything less than world class first touch. When we have 10 guys on the field who can match the first touch of the best teams, then we can worry about inventiveness.

      • Gary Page says:

        The main difference is that when those European teams have the ball, they make good passes and maintain possession. Once again we gave away the ball far too often, often while not under pressure. Also, it seemed like Belgium got the vast majority of the 50-50 balls.

        • Dean in Jersey says:

          +1 Better passes and maintain possession better and we beat Belgium. The answer was sitting on the bench. We didn’t need a European lesson. We just needed Kyle Beckerman. I’m still grateful to Klinsman for using him in Group play where we created a group of death for Portugal and Ghana to get knocked out early.

          • GW says:

            Cameron was in to shut down Fellaini particularly in the air. Fellaini has been big for them in this Cup and I’d say Cameron did the job. I don’t know if Kyle, who has better hair but is inferior in the air to the Fro, would have done as well. Six of one and all that.

            Remember, if Wondo puts that chance away, on a play started by Cameron, then the US gets to face Argentina wth a rested Beckerman ready to beat on Leo and his crew cut.

            • Dean in Jersey says:

              Agreed. Donovan buries that miss by Wondo 4 out of 5 gimes. Wondo could get it 2 out of 5. The first shot by either team in the overtime was off a cross from Beasley to JJ. If JJ moves back a 1/2 step and heads it down, we bring on Beckerman instead of Julien and game over for Belgium. We had multiple chances late with it 0-0 and on reviewing, it was not as lopsided toward Belgium as media portrays. I’m ready to forgive Wondo. Others missed chances to put us through to the final 8. Wondo and Beckerman had a special connection in the Gold Cup last year; others couldn’t utilize him as well.

            • Dean in Jersey says:

              Agreed. Rewatched and it was there for Wondo. He makes it 2 out of 5 times. Donovan buries it 4 out of 5 times.
              I’m ready to forgive Wondo. Others missed chances. In overtime, JJ takes a 1/2 step back and heads down Beasley’s cross and we are up 1-0. Then bring on Beckerman instead of Julien and game over Belgium.
              On rewatch, possession and chances not as lopsided for Belgium as media portrays.
              Wondo and Beckerman had a special connection in the Gold Cup in 2013. He brought out the best of Wondo.

            • Dean in Jersey says:

              sorry to clutter this; thougt 1st reply bounced. Can a duplicate post be deleted?

    • GW says:

      Because when they went up 2-0 they relaxed into a defensive posture.

      You are not giving enough credit to Belgium who maintained their attacking posture and their possession for most of the 120 minutes, which is pretty hard for ANY team to do. Sort of a tiki taka with more speed and more muscle.

      You aren’t giving the US defense any credit. If Belgium play like this against Argentina they will massacre them.

  4. Matt Bk says:

    Die haben gut gespielt. Danke, Jungs!

    • Grumpy Goatmeal says:

      Vielleicht die nächste Zeit…

      • Matt Bk says:

        Irgendwann schon, bin aber stolz auf das Team. Geniesse die WM. Die USA in Aussenseiterrolle wird auch mal ein Ende finden. In 4 yrs we have farther to climb.

        • Steven says:

          Ihr könnt stolz auf euch sein. Die USA hat ein verdammt gutes Turnier gespielt. Es würde mich freuen, Yedlin bald in der Bundesliga zu sehen.

  5. Shawn says:

    Julian and Yedlin next cycle im excited!

    • Buttian_Warlord says:

      Aw yes, the first stage of grief.

      • Jim in Atlanta says:



        ……Single tear

        • Brad in Brazil says:

          uh, dude, Jozy is only like 25…

        • Kmac014 says:

          Bradley? He’s got a whole new team out there

        • Only Results Matter says:

          All this discussion about the next WC is just ridiculous. It happens only once every 4 years so it is way too early to think about it. And it will be in Europe with European countries doing much better. How can we be below Costa Rica? We had a great chance but Wondo screwed up. And them others. Love the team but difficult to accept this disaster.

          • Gary Page says:

            Who would have predicted the US team of now in 2010? As for Costa Rica, Greece is not nearly as good a team as Belgium.

            • dman says:

              Also Costa Rica are the tournament darlings who have played very well….. Why don’t you compare our results to Spain, England, and Italy?

            • Tommy B. says:

              Yes, and Portugal and Ghana are on par with Italy, Uruguay and England. Portugal is a joke they play every 4 years on CR7, and we were lucky to beat Ghana.

        • KingGoogleyEye says:

          Bradley: 26
          Altidore: 24
          Johannsson: 23
          Gonzalez: 25
          Beasley: 32—but he will be back and reinvented as a CAM. Mark it!

          • Jim in Atlanta says:

            Yeah people don’t think.

          • The Garrincha says:

            Like you KG eye but you failed to mention one, not one German American, really just red white and blue American. They shined brightest along with Howard and Deuce with a broken nose.

            • KingGoogleyEye says:

              Jim in Atlanta already listed Green, Boyd, Brooks, et al. I was only listing the youngsters who he missed (and who are currently on the team).

        • mouf says:

          Will Trapp is twice the player WIlliams is

          • Increase says:

            None us see Williams enough to know. He almost made it to. The PL this year though.

        • Umlaut says:

          Off the top of my head Jozy (24), Besler (27), Gonzalez (25), and Bradley (26) will all be basically in their primes (based on age) for the next WC, so it seems odd to include none of them as starters.

        • twosevenstreet says:


          • Fair Observer says:

            that’s a nasty lineup btw. Athleticism and speed all around (mostly).

            Geoff is only a year older than Besler so if Belser isnt there, Geoff might…. pehaps.

            Dont forget Agudelo and Boyd as subs, even luis gil.

            I do think with this lineup it be more of a 4-3-3 than the perceived 4-2-3-1 illustrated.

    • Paul says:

      And Diskerud, Johnson, Flores, Rubio, Zardes, Bradley, Walker, Gonzo… maybe even Gatt. Just getting better and better.

      For now, we lost to a team that clearly was a little more skilled, but we advanced out of group two World Cups in a row. Better and better.

  6. JayAre says:

    What the f$&k I waited 4 years for the same freakish result. Our attack should be ashamed of themselves no goalie should have to make 10+ saved in a game if we had won we would have gotten away with murder like Brazil and where the hell was mix !!!!

  7. futbolisimo says:

    Well, that was about the best lemonade you could make with those players. Much credit to Klinsmann, I think.

    I have to go eat my shoe now that Green got on the field, and scored, with his first touch!

    • JayAre says:

      He actually played very well and kept the defenders on their heals

      • futbolisimo says:

        I absolutely a agree. And what was so exciting is he was very comfortable on the ball, much more so in the warm up friendly I saw him play in before the tournament.

    • UclaBruinGreat says:

      Klinsmann waited way too long to make that last sub. And he set the team up way too defensive. And he didn’t get the 23 man roster right. No cover for Altidore (should have brought EJ or Boyd), and bringing B Davis and Mix instead of Donovan was ridiculous. Did Mix even play? B Davis was horrible in his only appearance.

      • futbolisimo says:

        I agree. I think you’re on to it. I was mostly ignoring these pre-cup decisions in my comment. Good that you brought them back up. Donovan omission is embarrassing and even more salient of a point now that Jozy got injured.

      • Donovan's Ghost says:

        Is Costa Rica’s coach available? He has definitely been the coach of the tournament. What could have been we will never know. Thanks Timmy Howard for all you have done and to all the team. You guys deserved better and deserved to have the best assembled team possible.

        • futbolisimo says:

          LOL. Agreed. Cost Rica has been tops. They’ve played futbol and done an amazing job with the high defensive line. Italy couldn’t even break through.

        • Marcelo Balboa's Mustache says:

          Algeria’s coach was amazing as well. That team totally overperformed. He changed 5 starters from game to game to implement totally different tactics. very impressed.

      • GW says:


        “Klinsmann waited way too long to make that last sub. “

        1. JK waited until Belgium’s legs were gone.

        “And he set the team up way too defensive. “

        1. You obviously did not see Belgium play. Basketball analogy: When the other team are a Lakers/ Magic Johnson show time fast break team you don’t try to run with them, you slow the game down to half court contest.

        “And he didn’t get the 23 man roster right. No cover for Altidore (should have brought EJ or Boyd), “

        1. EJ or Boyd are not in Jozy’s class, there is no cover for him. If he goes down you change your style.

        “and bringing B Davis and Mix instead of Donovan was ridiculous. Did Mix even play? B Davis was horrible in his only appearance.

        1. ”Donovan didn’t want to come that bad.
        2. DMB did want to come. So he shut up, did something he did not want to, i.e. play left back and did a great job at it.

    • tru_patriot says:

      As soon as I saw him going in I was like “seriously?” you send in Green when you’re 2 down and haven’t done anything but defend for 110 minutes?!?” But then he showed us why… I was pleased. True he’s a young kid, but soon enough I think he’ll be that next Donovan for the next 8-12 years.

    • Kmac014 says:

      Me too dude. I was so pissed when he got subbed in haha. Glad I was wrong

      • futbolisimo says:

        Yeah, tough pill to swallow but I get why he was called up now. Very, very comfortable on the ball, which is something very few native American players possess.

        This said, it also has to be noted how easily it seems he can be on this team – just a reserve player. He would never make the squad of any other teams in the quarter finals. It has to be some indication of the relatively dire state of U.S. futbol.

        • Nate says:

          Well, lets give credit…Beasley looked very comfortable on the ball out there, as did Dempsey (of course) and surprisingly, Yedlin as well.

          • Fair Observer says:

            FJ, Yedlin, Demspey, Beasley, green, mix, Aron all have that natural talent and composure on the ball that we need to get to the next level. The US isnt the type of team to really finish a game vs a top world team with >60% possession. we are slowly gaining these players with this talent but its a slow build.

    • Gary Page says:

      You have company there. And I also thought it was a mistake to bring Yedlin instead of the experienced Parkhurst. I guess Klinsmann may know a thing or two about this game. But he was wrong about Donovan.

      • 1st Time Caller says:

        I agree, but I happen to think if he was thinking with his football brain instead of his wounded heart he wouldn’t have left Donovan out.

    • The Garrincha says:

      FuBallistico, No need to eat your shoe,
      it’s just a little sad that it took until the last half of overtime in the last game of this world cup for people to finally get a witness.
      In the end we all grow together, or we fall apart.

  8. The German says:

    Me too, this team with LD would have been in the final.

    • MLS_Soccer_Talker says:

      …sarcasm right?…

      • beachbum says:

        at least we could have subbed him in instead of either Aron or Wondo, who both struggled at this World Cup, to say the least

    • JayAre says:

      This team didn’t miss LD one bit. Good riddance to him we missed a strong forward in Jozy, Boyd and Johnson. Wondowlowski and Johannson just weren’t the types of forward this team needs

      • beachbum says:

        whatever you say

      • Peppersteaks says:

        Let us know when you get back from fantasy land! Donovan over Wondo and Davis every day. Not only is he just plain better, but he has the hero tendencies we needed tonight (and against Germany for that matter). The team did well but cutting Donovan was an error.

        • MLS_Soccer_Talker says:

          Meh. Theres really no way to know that in 2014 LD would have done something that resembles his 2010 performance. Move on..

          • beachbum says:

            yep, no way to know because Jurgen chose others which proved to be wrong selections. You can see that now can’t you? or maybe you still can’t move on from that fact

            • dman says:

              And how many others would have brought Boyd, yedlin, and Green? I know that very few on this board agreed with those selections. You will always be able to complain about player selection but you really have no way of knowing what would have happened. Bringing Donovan who admitted to not be able to train at full intensity probably would not have changed anything even if he actually made it into the field. I am much happier to have taken some young gins who DID play well and score goals, and who will be even better in 2018.

              • Diego's Maradoughnuts says:

                +1. The number of contributions from “guys who didn’t deserve to be there” makes this stuff laughable. All the comments about Yedlin, Brooks, Gonzo, Green… hilarious. Couple that with the Jones hatred and you have a proper comedy farm.

                Klinsmann brought them, used them, and got huge contributions from nearly all.

                We are in great shape for the next cycle. We will lick our wounds for a few weeks. Copa America 2016 is gonna be a superb stage for us. Heck… you never know… maybe the LD crowd has its way… Anything can happen.

              • beachbum says:

                if you still can’t see that it was a massive mistake and continue to defend the bad decision, ok dman

                has nothing to do with being a ‘LD crowd’…talk about laughable

              • std says:

                Thanks dman, right on, and i wish the american public would give up on this LD love story. It was over years ago. Good MLS player, mediocre on the world stage and cant keep up anymore…

              • The Garrincha says:

                D man, LD is, was the number one catalyst for the counter attack which is what we needed considering the style of play the USNT, presented game in and game out,
                as I always stated he would have been the best one, two or three option off the bench, no question.

              • Diego's Maradoughnuts says:

                And you will always be right in your imaginations.

                Landon is great but he wasn’t there. If he wants in, he can work hard and make 2016.

              • beachbum says:

                who is imagining anything Diego? Aron struggled, Zusi and Bedoya not attacking threats, MB out of position didn’t work…not imaginations, painful realities that need not have been

              • Diego's Maradoughnuts says:

                Not trying to disrepect you beachbum, just saying that LD could have cr*pped the bed out there just as easily as he could have helped– we will never know. In my personal view, I doubt it would’ve made much difference either way. He would’ve had his moments, but I don’t think any one individual could have been the difference maker (unless Tim Howard has a secret brother). We were outgunned by a superior Belgium side. Call it what it is.

                But I accept that’s just my take too. So fair enough.

        • over cooked says:

          His hero tendencies are expired along with his once great stamina and speed. Ask the Galaxy who needed a goal to avoid elimination/washing out of the US Open against the mighty Railhawks. Guess he would have dominated Hazard and Belgium though.

          • Nate says:

            He probably would have scored that sitter that Wondo missed, though. Given the fact that he’s played in 3 world cups and scored 5 times. At the very least, I’d rather lose with a player like Donovan missing that opportunity rather than Wondo.

            • KingGoogleyEye says:

              “I’d rather lose with a player like Donovan missing that opportunity”

              So would Wondo (probably)

      • Max says:


      • Manny F says:

        Clearly LD was missed, since the left side was never used throughout this tournament. We all know who owned the left side of the field on this team.

        • Bitman says:

          This team got through the group stage because of its utter commitment to defending. Period. Donovan had no place on a team like this, and frankly in all the 4 games the only time I could have seen inserting him would have been when Wondo came in.

          Now true, that could have won us this match, but I get what Klinsmann was doing.

          • Nate says:

            Where was Zusi last night? Vertongen was making crosses and taking full volleys ALL NIGHT! Zusi’s D was terrible! What did Brad Davis contribute to the D? Nothing. We could have used a player like Donovan with the flexibility to be played as a midfielder or forward.

        • The Garrincha says:

          True Manny F. LD along with Money Green, as I always stated. who else can really attack and make moves from the left.
          I really wish the pundits had not scarred off Klinsy, from using Green More. American coaches I hope you see why an attacking player such as Green is so valuable along with LD.
          too bad he was way under utilized.
          Green comes at you like Robben.
          we never had that until the last 15 minutes of the final game.
          even JB Corona may have offered this.

    • Silversurfer says:

      What people like you miss about the Landon Donovan omission is his experience, versatility, and experience would have helped particularly after Altidore’s injury. He could have slotted in anywhere in the midfield, even for Bradley, and or slotted in under Dempsey. Bad choice during this cup by Klinnsman. With the experience gained by Yeldin and now Green, maybe a good call for the future.

      • Quit whining about soccer in the US says:

        Quite frankly I am not sure some of these posters even know what a counter attack is, much less how badly we were missing one.

        • futbolisimo says:

          So cynical… do something productive and edify them then if you feel capable of explaining things.

      • MCQ says:

        If you took Donovan you had to start him or he would pout and divide the team. That clearly wasn’t part of the master plan

        • Donovan's Ghost says:

          that is just wishful BS. Gonzo has been talking to Donovan regulary and getting advice through the cup. We just had a coach with a little too much of an ego and the team pays for it. Not a player on that field that would not have wanted a healthy Donovan coming in off the bench.

          • Advocate says:

            It’s true that we can never know what Donovan’s presence would have meant. But Green’s goal-scoring run highlighted the kind of initiative and creativity that was sadly lacking, notably from Zusi and Bedoya. Say what you will about the 2014 edition of Donovan and enumerate his supposed flaws, the plain fact is that he shows the same kind of initiative and creativity, and makes the same sort of run, several times in almost every Galaxy game.

        • Gary Page says:

          As I have been pointing out before, there is absolutely no evidence for this statement.

          • Mason says:

            There’s simply no evidence for any statement about LD’s affects on the the 2014 WC. He wasn’t there, so it’s pointless to discuss him.

    • The Ugly Game says:

      Agreed Lando would not have taken his eye of the ball like Wondo, shame the way things worked out.

      • Dave80 says:

        C’mon, I remember faulting Donovan for missing similar chances in the past when he was better than today.

    • Nic D "The TX 2 Stepper" says:

      No. Not really. Thanks for playing.

    • chuck says:

      While Green scored a goal, Landon would have gotten a hat-trick!

  9. Buttian_Warlord says:

    Highlight was watching JK drop a very loud F-Bomb after only 1 min of added time was given.

  10. Don the Jewler says:

    The injury to Jozy took its toll. Also lack of technical ability in the midfield proved to be a problem, maybe Luis Gil can help

    • B says:

      My thought as well – I think Gil starts getting consistent call-ups from now on. A midfield with him and a more mature Green would have significantly more technical proficiency.

    • Hincha Tim says:

      Dont agree. I have been watching gil for years. Sorry he is not the answer. He can’t even start regularly and provide regular quality minutes for rsl. If he were good enough to eventually be the linchnpin of the usmnt that can go toe to toe with the best he would have been lighting up the mls already.

  11. Shawn says:

    Why you guys so impatient. I agree winnable game but we were never suppose to win it all. Im proud o this team

    • Kmac014 says:

      Agreed. Big picture. Slowly but surely improving

    • Dave80 says:

      Yes, we had an unfavorable draw, and we did well to get here. Especially with the loss of Jozy so early. Almost overcame both the headwinds and the gaps in the team to beat Portugal, win group, go one or two levels deeper. In a few cups, like maybe the 2022 here at home (maybe, if the rumors are true, cross your fingers) we will have progressed a few cycles into better talent.

      • twosevenstreet says:

        Think about this….
        The following players will be in their primes for 2022
        Julian Green- 27 years old
        Yedlin – 28 years old
        Brooks – 28 years old

        We can pen in 3 starters for 2022 which is great to know. Not many countries can even pencil in 3 guys two world cups down the line.

        • Paul says:

          Let’s look at 2018:

          Defender pool includes Brooks, Gonzo, Johnson, Chandler, Yedlin, Zimmerman, Farrell, Packwood

          Midfield pool includes Bradley, Diskerud, Flores, Gatt, Nagbe, Gil, Corona, Zardes, Green

          Attacker pool includes Altidore, Johansson, Boyd, Rubin

          2018 could be our best USMNT ever.

  12. bryan says:

    so bummed out but we put it all out there. especially Howard. Wondo though, WTF?! him and Davis showing it was stupid to bring them. im probably extra bitter right now but still.

    also, Besler was exhausted but he just straight up fell over on that first goal and lost his mark on the 2nd. guy was VERY good, so hard to say much…but man, oh man.

    now, can we stop wearing white in the Round of 16 against teams that wear red? please. for the love of god, please.

    • bryan says:

      also, that Green goal should shut everyone up. that goal is huge for our mentality coming out of this World Cup. without that goal, it’s a much more cloudy feeling surrounding our exit.

      • Only Results Matter says:

        Stop talking about future! WC is now and we just lost. We are talking about future for 12 years and are still where we were in 2002. We need results and we just don’t get them. Terrible.

        • Jay says:

          Of course they do but stop being so dam narrow minded. Im sure you didnt even have us get this far. Look there are no moral victories but you can be proud of what you did and look to better things.

        • bryan says:

          dude, RELAX. i’m not talking about the future like that. i’m simply saying it’s nice having that goal towards the end simply from a mental standpoint.

      • JayAre says:

        bryan you are such a Klinsmann fanboy. And you probably have photos of your hero Timmy Chandler taped on your bathroom wall. grow up boy. open your eyes.

        • bryan says:

          what are you even talking about? go ahead and show me why i’m a JK fanboy. until then, i’ll take it you are overreacting to a simple comment.

          you open your guys. Brooks scored, Yedlin was a revelation, and Green scored. it’s that simple. those three inclusions were directly targeted as bad decisions before the WC. they weren’t.

          as for Chandler, you borught him up, not me. he saw 0 minutes. what is there to say?

          i’ve said it before and i still think it, JK was wrong to bring Davis and Wondo. LD and Boyd for me. so again, how am i a fanboy? because i give him credit for three surprise inclusions that worked out well?! get a grip.

    • KingGoogleyEye says:

      bryan, two points:

      1) Davis was a mistake, but Wondo showed well. Yes, he missed a “sitter,” but so did a lot of superstars on several teams. It happens.

      2) How about NO white kit? A Red and a Blue. No white.

      • bryan says:

        i disagree about 1. i don’t think he did much at all except miss the few chances he got. which was the exact reason he even got on the plane…the whole argument for his inclusion was that he finishes everything. i know he’s human, but my point would be i bring a forward who brings more than just that. and look, i’m not blaming him for us going out, i want to make sure that is clear. but now that the WC is over for us, i’ll reflect on why i didn’t want Wondo there to begin with.

        as for 2, AGREED! we have to burn those things.

        • KingGoogleyEye says:

          bryan: okay, fair enough about Wondo. I agree with the criticism that we should have (and could have) brought a forward that provides more.

          btw, did you know that Brazil retired their previous jerseys after their loss to Uruguay in 1950? They never wanted to see those colors again. So they held a competition to design new jerseys and—oddly enough—a Brazilian Uruguay fan, Aldyr Garcia Schlee, won with the now famous verde-e-amarelo.

          • Dave80 says:

            I think Wondo changed our attack for the better while he was in there. Go watch again, he was a bigger presence more of the time than Dempsey, especially in maintaining possession. If he had hit that one seemingly certain goal, we would have less negative to say. Shame he didn’t. That one will haunt him no matter how much $$ he makes in MLS.

            • bryan says:

              i’m assuming this is in response to me given King wasn’t making the argument against Wondo. i’m going to have to disagree with you and leave it at that.

          • bryan says:

            i actually had no idea! interesting, that is some awesome trivia right there.

          • Ali Dia says:

            +1 Thanks KGE. Always something to learn.

      • Mason says:

        FIFA would require a white/light kit. The contrast of dark/light shows better on B&W TV.

        • KingGoogleyEye says:

          Mason, the following nations had no white kit:

          Ivory Coast

          …and Spain, which to my knowledge, was the only one forced to come up with a white kit (last minute).

          Now, all of those, excepting Mexico and Netherlands, used some form of yellow as their light-colored kit. USA doesn’t have a great option for that. Croatia gets away with their red/white checkerboard for their light-colored shirt.

          Frankly, I’d prefer one crimson and white Waldo hoops shirt, and one solid navy blue shirt. As an added bonus, the mix would look great in the stands.

    • KingGoogleyEye says:

      So who did we discover was the USMNT’s* MVP?

      Two arguments from absence:

      Two from presence:
      * Only going off of players on the roster

      • bryan says:

        that’s a tough call, King. Jozy missing was big for us, will always wonder what could have been. Beckerman, meanwhile, showed how much better he can make us too. it really helped Jones out. i’m torn…

        i think Howard. but that is heavily weighted by this performance.

        • KingGoogleyEye says:

          It’s a domino effect: If Jozy had been in, then the midfield wouldn’t have been so pressed; if Beckerman had been in, then the back four and Howard wouldn’t have been so pressed. The absence of one leads to the dire need for the one further down the chain.

          • bryan says:

            totally agree King. that is why i can’t decide. i think if both were available, i go with the lineup/system we saw against Nigeria. i think that one gets everyone in positions that suit them almost perfectly.

        • GW says:

          “i think Howard. but that is heavily weighted by this performance.”

          When trying to determine who is MVP are you saying performance does not count?

          • KingGoogleyEye says:

            GW, I think he means “this [one] performance” is too heavily weighted in determining the *overall* MVP

          • bryan says:

            GW, was strictly talking under the assumption we are discussing an overall MVP. given Jones’ performance over the entire WC, i think he would give Howard a run for his money…but i’d go with Howard with today’s performance being the kicker.

            • KingGoogleyEye says:

              I stay with Jones because:

              a) he got so much grief from fans over the years (including me, a little) and emphatically shoved it all in our faces

              b) he scares me (even more than Howard does)

              c) his first World Cup ever

              d) dude suffered a broken nose, crunching tackles, and who knows what else but just. never. quit.

              • Mason says:

                Don’t for get the clearance off of his broken nose. You know that had to hurt.

              • KingGoogleyEye says:

                Mason: you’re right. Jones was a “Rocky” movie.

              • bryan says:

                makes sense. i’m actually a little surprised i lean towards Howard because i’ve always said Jones is easily one of the best players on the team. i always said no way he should be benched for Beckerman.

                i will say, now that i’ve slept on it and processed the tournament as a whole, i may have to switch my choice to Jones. he certainly had more influence over all 4 games.

              • GW says:


                He kept us going in the Ghana game.

                In the Portugal game his golazo completely changed the way that game was going

                In the Belgium game his header off of Cameron’s pass put Wondo in position for THAT miss.

                He will be missed.

            • GW says:

              Keepers really need to be in a separate category from players in terms of MVP things and the like.

              They can keep you from losing or they can keep a lead for you but they can’t win a game for you, unless they score a weird goal.

  13. JAV says:

    We missed Donovan and E. Johnson badly

  14. CJ says:

    Heartbroken. I… Yeah, I’m speechless.

  15. g-dub says:

    Good fight boys. I’m very sad but proud.

  16. tru_patriot says:

    I have to say, one minute before Wondo cost us the world cup I was spitin’ fire cuz I felt once again we just fell back, granted possession and truly if it wasn’t for “god level” Howard, we would have been 5 under…

    The 2 goals hurt like hell, and When I saw Green prepping I just about lost it… However, I was proved wrong. even with 2 goals on ET, the boys reacted. Bradly showed up 110 minutes late but man did he show up… and that assist was pure gold only to be polished and perfected by Greens amazing volley. And after that instance in the game, I started to believe again…

    I am so sad we have to leave… Many will argue that out of the whole 120 minutes Belgium played better and deserved to win, but I challenge that, because the true American Spirit came out and at least we died facing the sun and giving one heluva fight.

    I’m proud of the boys. I may, just even give JK some credit although I’m sure I’ll regret it later as we should have played forward from the get go. Tonight was about our boys, and the great American fighting spirit they’ve passed to us all. I’m sure there will be millions of new fans thanks to this heroic team and with a little more football and lot’s of passion, I’m sure Russia 2018 will be a historic one.

    Good work tonight boys. I DO BELIEVE!

    • BDWG says:

      Gotta say, Green’s volley was less than perfect. Lucky is more like it. Still, 2018 is looking quite good for the USMNT.

      • el gringon says:

        Lucky? Did he have relations with your mother or something. To call that volley less than perfect you have to be personally affected by him

        • Kmac014 says:

          He’s right. Look at the replay it hits over his toe. The perfect shank, but much credit to get in that position

          • Luck is nothing but skill meeting opportunity. If he hit that solid, the angle would have changed and Courtois would have made the save. He hit it just fine.

            • Ali Dia says:

              +1 he did the right things… didn’t go for too much power, and made sure to put it on frame, but not at the keeper.

          • GW says:

            Two seasons ago one of the candidates for goal of the season was a Wayne Rooney overhead bike vs Man. City.

            On replay you can see Rooney hit the ball with his shin.

            It still counts and it is still a great goal.

  17. Heartbroken says:

    Just wanna preemptively strike down the arguments we are sure to debate for the next few months or years.

    1) I am just as pissed at wondolowski as everyone. And I’ve disliked him forever. That said, amy argument along the lines of “Donovan would have scored” is ridiculous. No one knows how Donovan’s inclusion in the squad would have affected this, or any game.

    2) Belgium was a much better side than Ghana of 2010. We have made progress.

    3) we should’ve have won this game. Wondolowski should have scored a winner. Anything that happens before that is irrelevant to that single play.

    It’s been fun. Hopefully in 2018 we have no zusi like or wondolowski like players on this squad. Then we will get to the quarterfinals.

    • The Ugly Game says:

      1) We know that Donovan has scored in that situation in international games many times, so I have to say yes we can say Lando would have scored. Of course he may have choked like Wondo but we will never know because he was not there.
      3) We ‘could’ have won the game not should of, any of the multiple saves that Tim made could have won it for Belgium.

      • Sup says:

        1) My point is having landon on the team could have affected things in a lot of ways. We might have not even made it out of the group, you never know. Yes, if Landon were in that precise position he probably would have scored. Johansson probably would have scored too. Tim Howard might have scored. My point is, that miss does not mean Donovan should have been on the team.

        • Gary Page says:

          The reason Donovan should have been on the team is because he is better and faster than either Davis or Wondolowski. You don’t even have to look at the international statistics, just look at their play in MLS. Donovan scores more than Davis and has more assists than Wonodolowski. He is more versatile than either player, being able to play several different positions and is equally adept with either foot, unlike Davis who is very left footed.

          • GW says:

            Donovan was not on the team because he couldn’t be bothered to fight for a place on the team.

            He figured his same old, same old would be good enough and it wasn’t And it is a shame because if he had applied himself it might have been.

            Besides, he was better in 2010 than he is now and it wasn’t enough to beat Ghana a team who were inferior to this Belgian team..

            • beachbum says:

              haha! you’re going to hold this position on this? wow

            • bizzy says:

              .And you know this how?? “he couldn’t be bothered to fight for a place”……”He figured his same old, same old would be good enough”…..Ok Klinsmann, stop playing reveal yourself….hahahaha

              • Mason says:

                LD said as much with his “I can’t go 100% for 12 days and have a great day every day.”

                Basically, he pulled an Allen Iverson.

              • beachbum says:

                hey Mason, I like your posts man, but pulled an Iverson? whatever, I chuckled :)

              • GW says:


                “And you know this how?? “he couldn’t be bothered to fight for a place”……”He figured his same old, same old would be good enough”….

                Look it up, it’s all out there.

        • Brian says:

          If “ifs” and “buts” were candies and nuts we would all have a Merry Chirstmas.

          Please for the love little baby jesus quit beating that horse. the horse is dead.

  18. JayAre says:

    When will tim Howard brand condoms come out thou?

  19. Alex G says:

    I just cannot believe a professional soccer player that lacks of composure and skills to score a sitter in the dying seconds of a game of this magnitude, at this stage. It is just appalling, Wondo is not made for this level, it has been said in this site for ages, unbelievable.

    Additionally, the US lacked possession and drive in the regular instances. You just don´t expect to beat a world power playing like this.

    We are left at the same stature of the mexicans, waiting another four years for a better generation to put us through or luck at the WC lottery… Again, disappointed.

    • pk-tackle says:

      Although Aron didn’t have a good start, this fast paced game seemed more suitable for him.

      You don’t expect to win a game by defending all the time. Their mindset on attacking and creating chances should have been from the beginning.

    • El Comandante says:

      Blame Klinsmann.

    • The Ugly Game says:

      Alex G.
      You obviously don’t watch much soccer. I’ve seen dozens and dozens of players way better than Wondo miss chances like that, It happens all the time.

    • slyboy says:

      we can be pissed at wondo, but to say no good strikers miss that is just flat out wrong. HE SHOULD have scored, but i have seen plenty of AMAZING forwards miss things like that.

      • Alex G says:

        Ok, you guys are totally wrong, better watch world class players such as Suarez and CR7.

      • KingGoogleyEye says:

        Wondo missed a sitter.

        Wondo did not allow Belgium to score two goals.

        Who is responsible for us losing?

  20. beachbum says:

    proud of this team

  21. recovered amishman says:

    congratulations to Green on a fine goal and to Tim Howard for keeping the US in the game through regulation. Hat tip to Beasley too. The dude looked like he could go for another 30 despite playing endline to endline. And people can blame Wondo all they want, but seriously, there was plenty of bad play all around.

    • g-dub says:

      Green made a nicely timed run. But the finish was kinda lucky.

      Still I’m super happy for him and hope he keeps developing.

      • Kmac014 says:


      • Paul Terry says:


      • Eurosnob says:

        I don’t think you give Green enough credit. The degree of technical difficulty on Green’s volley was extremely high – most players on our team won’t even connect with the ball in attempting this kind of volley, let alone put it on frame. You can nitpick about what part of his foot connected to the ball, but just getting a contact on the ball required tremendous amount of coordination, agility and technical skill. Watch the replay and compare it to the replay of Wondo’s missed sitter from 3 yards and pay close attention to his technique. One could say that Wondo was unlucky and that Green was lucky, but watch their technique.

  22. JayAre says:

    No f$&king team should ever have to endure 40 shots on goal. Our forwards threw the cup for us. Zusi is an MLS superstar at best. Reminds me of Kerry Zavagin

  23. deno says:

    wondo why do you make me cry

  24. Roy9 says:

    1 minute extra time was ridiculous, just like 5 minutes for Portugal was ridiculous. But that’s Fifa.

  25. Troy says:

    Sorry Guys! Better luck next time! It was a nice game after Green scored. Why can’t the USA attack ? Instead of defending. Its pretty awesome when your team attack.

  26. Steve-0 says:

    (1) Why didnt klinsmann make that green sub earlier at 1-0? (2) beckerman should have started over cameron who was the worst player on the pitch. (3). Finally mb is not an attacking mid – he was way better when they switched him to dm at the last 15 mins. Alright said my peace – I’m spent!! See you all in 4 long years!!!

    • Heartbroken says:

      Cameron actually had some nice moves in overtime. Wondolowski and zusi were BY FAR the worst players out there.

      • The Ugly Game says:


      • Kmac014 says:

        +1. Easily the worst two by far. Beckerman should’ve started but Cameron did have some fantastic runs. Also on Bradley who the else is gonna play in that position?

    • KingGoogleyEye says:

      Green was warming up just before Belgium scored their second.

    • Dean in Jersey says:

      Cameron did enough for us to beat Belgium if Wondo finishes the sitter he got from JJ on the play started by Caneron at minute 92.
      But thank you Steve-0 for calling out the biggest mistake: leaving out Kyle Beckerman. With KB playing, we would have lost some of the headers against Fellaini, but would have the glue that made us Group of Death beaters. Against Belgium we had 54% of the possession. What we were lacking was posession with purpose crossing midfield. It needed fast, pinpoint passing, good decision making, field vision before receiving passes, not after. Ballach said that was the hole in the US team. That we don’t have such a player. He was partly right. It was a hole but we DO have that player. KB proved he can play midfield like that in qualifying and at RSL. If Kyle Beckerman plays instead of sitting against Belgium, we are playing Argentina today for a final 4 spot.

      Klinsman made some good coaching decisions. Sitting Beckerman was not one of them. He is afraid of superstar European players and this was his undoing. Bradley Sr. less than 15 years ago takes it to Germany and beats them 2-0. Let’s learn from that instead of going backwards.

  27. g-dub says:

    Belgium pressed high and challenged our ability to play through them. We couldn’t do it until our back was against the wall. For all Jurgens talk of total football and imposing our will, the strategy in this was too timid.

    • tru_patriot says:

      couldn’t agree more.. .Had he come out and said “Hey guys, we’re going to the world cup to try to counter attack and just hold our opponents back” I would have been like, “OK cool, job well done” But he promissed football and said we would impose the pace of the game which happened literally 2 times in the whole of the 390 minutes played this WC…We need to play like belgium did since the beginning

      • Jay says:

        Until we have Belgiums talent going forward and in the back thats a fan boy dream not a reality. USA cant play like Belgium do we have a Lukaku or Hazard? I think not.

        • Heartbroken says:

          We have enough talent to play more attacking soccer. The problem is it’s JUST enough. It always feels rushed and hectic. We’re always on the brink of losing the ball when we play that way. It’s uncomfortable. So we settle for balls into space out wide and (usually) harmless crosses. We are almost there though.

          • std says:

            And there you have it, MLS type play vs most other professional leagues around the world. Hectic rushed play and poor technical skills on the ball. The goal for US Soccer is to get to that technical and tactical skill level in the u18/u20 and u23s. Bring it forward and it will pay off.

            • Eurosnob says:

              The problem is that we don’t have enough high quality coaches that are capable to teaching possession soccer at youth level. Yeh, everyone talks possession, but how many youth teams (including DA clubs) regularly put together 5+ pass sequences?

              • std says:

                Absolutely true Euro, and discussions surrounding the failure or lack of talent coming out of the ODP program continue, except someone like Yedlin who came out of Wash state ODP. In the USA, we dont have professional clubs plucking kids out of school to be locked in an academy until they are ready for the big time. Just a cultural difference there

  28. FRANK says:


  29. chris says:

    Well I’m f*cking pissed. I have such a love hate relationship with Klinsmann. For every right move he makes he comes back with an appalling one. Wondo didn’t deserve to be there and it showed. In a moment of need he lets the whole team down. The game shouldn’t have even gone to overtime. No back up plan for Jozy really hurt us. Are you really telling me Donovan couldn’t have helped this team more than Davis?

    Gonzo is such a busch league defender its sad. A more un-athletic Mertesacker and nothing more. Cameron showed better but still has mental lapses. I think he’s best as a CDM. Yedlin and Green looked great, excited about their future. As much as it hurts to say, MLS has hurt Bradley’s sharpness. He just hasn’t been the same since he returned.

    Who ever the trainer is needs to be guillotined right now. I have NEVER EVER seen that many muscle fatigue injuries for one team in a World Cup.

    Thank you Howard, Jones, Beasley and Dempsey for your performances but its time to move on

    • g-dub says:

      Yes. You do really have to question what led to all the hammies.

    • Shawn says:

      lol Gonzo saved our asses the 2nd most

    • The Ugly Game says:

      Seriously are you related to Cameron? He was the worst player on the field the first two games and should not have played this game. He doesn’t even play center mid for his club team. And almost every OT game in the WC has had dozens of cramps.

      • chris says:

        Re watch the game. Cameron got better as the game went on. He covered plenty of ground and broke up many plays. He showed technique and poise in overtime when we had so many numbers forward. He has played midfield his whole life and has only recently been moved to defense. Im talking about his position for the USMNT not his club. He has not learned the CB position well and is prone to too many mental lapses while back there. At this point going forward, I would rather give Yedlin the RB position.

        Im talking about about muscle fatigue inures that force players out. I watch much soccer and have never seen it to this degree. You must be new to the game. Congrats

    • Luke says:

      Gonzo made 61 clearances! The most in 50 years! You are so dense !

  30. Rich says:

    Wondo, oh Wondo!!!!!!!!! You are at the WC for one reason and one reason only. To poach a goal. Then the Gods of Soccer give you the chance to poach the winning goal to move to the quarter finals….. And you flub it!!!!!!

    I love Wondo, but he should have done better.

    Belgium were the better team. They deserved a win. But we should have won. Period.

    • g-dub says:

      I get it, but really do we need to rake him on the coals? He probably feels as bad as anyone. It’s not the time to place blame and hate. Unite and strengthen. Chin up Wondo

      • AJH says:

        This. Imagine how sad all of us are right now, then multiply that by 1000. Do people forget Dempsey was in 100% n didn’t finish? If not for Howard we lose 11-0 anyway. Putting this on Wondo is ridiculous,

      • Heartbroken says:

        One thing that was universally agreed upon going into this tournament was that Wondo was here mainly to poach goals in the box. If he can’t do that when it matters more than it ever has in the history of USA soccer, he deserves criticism. Of course I feel for him, but this isn’t one of those times where you can say “there were a lot of mess-ups throughout the game, this one just happened to be last.” This was horrible.

    • El Comandante says:

      Blame Klinsmann.

    • barkdog says:

      A tying goal can’t be a winning goal by definition.

      • The Ugly Game says:

        The miss was at the end of regulation and therefore very likely the winning goal. By definition…

        • Only Results Matter says:

          Professional players should be hailed when they do great and raked over coals when they screw up. Wondo cost is QF. For that he should never see the team again, he won’t, and should be reminded in all MLS games.

    • Helium-3 says:

      If Wondo was playing in a high pressured league, guarantee you that goal would have been an afterthought. This is why we need our best players to move on from MLS and challenge themselves week in, week out with no guarantee of a starting place. This makes players play with a higher intensity on a consistent basis and not just wait until MLS playoffs or meaningful intl matches.

      Look at Jermaine Jones‘ intensity for the entire match as an example.

  31. JayAre says:

    And most of all fu*k FIFA for always making the World Cup about euro teams. We damn near travelled around the world within Brazil

    • webk says:

      The US soccer federation did that on their own by basing their camp where they did before the schedule was out.

      • KingGoogleyEye says:

        Lesson to learn there, hopefully.

        For example: do not base the USMNT in 2018 in Vladivostok.

      • bryan says:

        if i’m USSF, i’m saving up so we can build our own facility like Germany did. place it in the most central position from all our group games. assuming we qualify.

  32. Don the Jewler says:

    Injuries… Did Jurgen over train them? They looked beat. Jones is a warrior but man he looked gassed in the 80th minute

    • B says:

      They’ve also played four games now in heat and humidity in the past 16 days, so I think it just took its toll. They had a terrible draw in terms of weather, travel, and time between matches, and I think you saw it on the field today.

      • chris says:

        It was cold though. It was hotter here in Florida all World Cup

        • NolaJ says:

          Cold today, but all our group games were played in the heat, and all of Belgium’s were played in decent weather. It adds up…proud of our team. They came out of a schedule designed to beat them down and took Belgium to the last minute.

  33. Ray tango says:

    Apparently Wondo hasn’t seen Forest Gump where the simple rule of “keep your eye on the ball was taught”

    A nutless monkey could have knocked that in.

  34. JayAre says:

    Fun Fact – Every team that played in that hell hole Amazon has gone home.

  35. Doug says:

    Won-DOH!!! Too much respect given Belgium. Should’ve exposed their slow FBs from minute 1 but it’s impossible when the fastest players in the squad are our FBs. All in all, we had chances to win in regular time and tie it in the second ET period. Can’t really ask for more from a team that was flawed from the start. Proud of the heart they showed all tournament long

  36. Brad in Brazil says:

    All this “Donovan absence was felt today” talk is lazy journalism imho. We missed Jozy today much more than LD. Dempsey couldn´t play like himself as the target striker.

  37. webk says:

    I SOOOO wanted to see Mix and Aron enter this game for their confidence and creativity on the ball. I was commenting to my fellow friends that a good portion of the US soccer team looked like confused adult league players who do not know how to move with the ball to open up space. Far to many times certain US players received the ball and then proceeded to shimmy in a half circle around the ball while looking to get rid of the ball. When you watched the Belgium attack their players were attacking with intent and creating open space for their teammates. I was appalled that the only US players with confidence to take people on were our outside backs. Again I will say that Wondo has great work rate and heart but that will always take a back seat to a player with a high soccer I.Q. Green came in and did what our vets were scared to do…challenge the Belgium players offensively. Great ball from Bradley but i still don’t like him. I’ll admit he plays some good long balls out of the back but he is not the so called box to box player everyone says he is, he is a DM. This was shown by his inability to make any quick and useful decisions 25 yards and in. He would have excelled in Beckermans spot. Would have loved to see Mix in Bradleys spot with Bradley where Cameron was and JJ running free like he did. Dempsey is not efficient without a big man up top. He is just too slow. He excels due to his ability to read the game and move to the right spots. He was never going to take anyone on with any success one on one. SOOOOOOOO frustrating watching the USAhhhh we dont play offense.

    • Brad in Brazil says:

      In hindsight, Aron might have been better than Wondo…

    • The Garrincha says:

      webk, nice analysis and insight.
      wherever you came from we need more.
      anyway, good effort by the team.
      hope we really grow, progress, and learn from this.
      In the end, I really wish we had that thing behind door number 3.
      We missed LD, on set pieces, particularly corners and also on the counter.
      his poise and experience would have been useful, no denying it.
      The team never had a PK this tourney,
      but he still would have been our
      number one choice, even from the press box.

      P.S. before when I stated American coaches.
      I meant American youth coaching in general.

  38. 1st Time Caller says:

    A lot of silly questions have been posed on this forum over the past 4 years, and a lot of absurd charges have been levied. A lot of people seem to forget the amount of quality it requires to succeed at a World Cup. Quality, we just do not have an abundance of as of yet.

    Seriously, to everyone (and there are a lot of you) out there who keep droning on about how much “progress” American football has made, how much “depth” we have, and how “fine” we were leaving guys like Landon Donovan, Maurice Edu, Eddie Johnson and Benny Feilhaber at home, I think this World Cup has answered all of those assertions.

    Wondolowski was a mistake, his only real addition to either of the games he came in was being a “body” to take over up top and allow Clint to actually get into the game.

    Julian Green was NOT a mistake.

    Brad Davis was a HUGE mistake.

    Zusi and Bedoya, while very serviceable in defense, did not show up enough today when it really mattered. Zusi in particular did not possess enough quality to give us an advantage at any time.

    Bradley wasn’t absent when things mattered today, and he more or less got better as this tournament progressed, up until the last minutes of today’s match.

    Lastly, even a halfway fit Jozy Altidore (pre-Nigeria warm up match, when he was 0 for the century) is as important to this team at present as an in form Michael Bradley.

    And lastly, and most importantly… no matter what anyone says or writes about the “Success” of Jurgen Klinsmann in this World Cup, this team STILL has not eclipsed 2002’s magnificent showing. In fact, compared to the historic results that side achieved (3-2 win over a cup favorite Portugal, 1-1 draw against the home country [S.Korea] that would go onto the quarterfinals, emphatic Dos A Cero drubbing of Mexico in the Round of 16 and a 1-0 loss to the eventual runners up, Germany, in which we took the game to them for 90+ minutes, could easily have been up 2 or 3 to 1 and was arguably our best (and most important) performance ever.) Today the boys made it a fight at the end in the most improbable (if you believe all of the Julian Green hate) way but what on earth were they doing for the first 100″ of this match? Certainly not what Jurgen Klinsmann promised this team would be doing at this stage.

    I think Jurgen made a decent showing, considering the amount of adversity, but I don’t buy that he has done anything that extraordinary. He certainly hasn’t broken new ground at this World Cup for the US.

    • frank from santiago says:

      damn, very well said.

    • g-dub says:

      Second. This is a plateau, not progress at the international level.

    • chris says:

      Perfectly said

    • futbolisimo says:

      Nice. Where you been all my life? All you little men getting romantic and religious over the U.S. read this guy’s comment above and take a deep breath. Good stuff.

    • Donovan's Ghost says:

      I believe
      I believe that
      I believe that we should have won.

      And I believe we underperformed. Thanks Klinnsman.

    • KingGoogleyEye says:

      1st Time Caller: for all the disagreements we’ve had, surprisingly I agree with you almost completely.

      I would only add a note about Jones and Beckerman, who, like Green, suffered a lot of detractors but more than proved their worth.

      • 1st Time Caller says:

        Agree 100%, in fact, I never thought I would write this before the tournament started, but I believe we missed Kyle Beckerman a bit today. Great tournament by him, and Jermaine Jones, MVP of the WC for me. I don’t have words… Who will succeed you??

        • 1st Time Caller says:

          By the way, I am sure you are all as monumentally disappointed as I am after today’s result. I appreciate the kind words, and I want it to be known that I am not in the slightest bitter. I am just disappointed. I have been watching this team since 1994 and I had tears in my eyes after Julian Green scored that goal. I believed we were going to bag that equalizer up until the moment the cameras showed Jurgen screaming at the linesman over only awarding 1″ of stoppage. We didn’t deserve to win after the way we played and it was heartbreaking to admit that to mysel… I had just watched 7 other games and many of them ended with terribly unfair let downs to teams with loads of courage who didn’t deserve to go out. Mexico, Chile, Nigeria, Algeria and today Switzerland, it was hard to watch those teams unfairly bounced from the tournament. But that’s football. What was even harder was to admit to myself that it wouldn’t be “fair” for MY team to advance after the lackluster 90 minutes previous they had put in. But I wanted it anyway. And this time fair one out, wouldn’t you know it.

          • KingGoogleyEye says:

            1st Time Caller: again, very well said.

          • Eurosnob says:

            What are you talking about? I will give you Chile, who looked like a better team against Brazil. Perhaps Nigeria had a relatively even contest against France. Mexico played a better first half against Holland, but parked the bus after De Santos scored and was holding for dear life like US normally does at Azteca. Netherlands deserved to win that game. Switzerland had 32% possession against Argentina and allowed 22 shots on goal – 29 total. Algeria had 30% possession and allowed the same number of shots as Switzerland. You really think these teams were unfairly bounced from the tournament?

            • beachbum says:

              Mexico was bounced on what Robben himself called a dive…deserved to lose that one the Mexicans did?

            • 1st Time Caller says:

              Yes, I REALLY think had any one of the teams I listed won, not one observer (save perhaps yourself, a person who seems to think the game is decided by shot total alone) would have called it an undeserved result. Argentina and Germany did not look at all convincing (Argentina hasn’t the entire tournament) for being perennial pre-tournament favorites and Algeria put in the best game I have seen them play to date. And yes Mexico parked the bus, after Gio’s goal, but until Sneijder scored that goal, the Netherlands rarely looked like they deserved to even be IN the contest let alone WIN in regulation. I don’t know what games you were watching…

    • Don't mind if I Freddy Adu says:

      Not sure I agree

      We’ll see how far Belgium goes in this tournament

      And you can’t forget: some of these other traditional soccer powers are getting better too

      We’re not measuring ourselves against a static group of teams that have plateaued talent-wise

      • 1st Time Caller says:

        Of course the other nations are not static, but is it any wonder that you see a field like this:

        Brazil Colombia
        France Germany
        Netherlands Costa Rica
        Argentina Belgium

        Only three outsiders in there and honestly, two of them were arguably pre-tournament dark horses to do some real damage. The only real Surprise here with a capital S, is Costa Rica.

        People around her talk like they think we will one day be a part of the A group (Brazil, Germany = Always a threat to win) when being part of the B group (Italy, Argentina, France – a threat to win the whole thing or crash out early, ps I think Spain might settle back into this after long being part of group D) would be in of itself a shocking achievement of upward mobility! Being C group (Uruguay, England = storied history, previous tropy winners, threat to reach later rounds, chronic underachievers) is really not possible since we haven’t a storied history, nor previous trophies. D group (Netherlands, and to a lesser extent Portugal = greatest nation to never win the trophy) is really the most attainable position for the US in the foreseeable future, but even that would require a dramatic upswing in talent, technical ability, world wide exposure and actual results deep into a tournament on more than one occasion.

        So honestly, I don’t know what exactly you are referring to when you write “other traditional soccer powers are getting better.”

        It’s arguable that ALL of the “traditional” soccer powers, namely the ones that are powerful enough to still be alive in WC 2014 yet again, have been considerably better in the past.

        Lastly, if the Belgians emerge victorious against Argentina, it won’t really shed any extra light on the result today. I for one think Argentina has largely played lackluster football this tournament and they are where they are because the setting benefits all South (and arguably Central) American nations and Messi has finally strung together a few moments of briliance to eke results against competition they should be wholly dominating on paper. The US could have really taken it to Argentina in the Round of 8 but sadly we will never know how that might have turned out.

    • espada says:

      Don’t agree, actually. The 2002 showing was really the luck of the draw. South Korea helped us through and we’ve faced Mexico before, so that game was much more winnable than Belgium. Was Germany of 2002 really a tough opponent? Poor showings at Euro 2000 and 2004 says no. We know what happened in 2006. In 2010, we barely got through a mediocre group that we won and we lamely lost 2-1 to Ghana. If you look at this tournament, it was the group of death, no doubt about it. All 4 of those teams could have qualified 1st or 2nd in any other group. Our backs were to the wall each match and we got out of that group. Today, we faced a Belgium side going through its Golden Generation in the round of 16. So, compared to those other WCs, we have made legitimate progress… but the luck of the draw did not favor us this time (weather and travel against us too?). Personally, I found that 2014 was more important because Klinsmann helped to put more belief in the players and used this talent pool to the best of his abilities to make more people excited for our national team. Our players aren’t gonna make a 4-3-3 formation a fluid attacking game now and that’s not on him. Klinsmann came in 2011 after an awful Gold Cup final showing, so I am not going to belittle his approach after a few years because it takes time to develop a philosophy for the team and we need the right players coming in, too. If he royally screws up in WC 2018, in qualifying, or in the other regional tournaments, then we will all criticize his decisions. With that being said, there’s a lot to look forward to in 2018 and I really hope we get Russia in the group stage!

      • Tucker says:

        Think that while 1st Time Caller’s post looks like the voice of reason, it just isn’t.

        First, our 2014 draw was much, much more difficult than 2002. Our 2002 team, which I loved, lost 3-1 to Poland. Also, 2014 Belgium is much more difficult opposition than 2002 Mexico, who we knew so, so well.

        Second, I think to say that US soccer has made no progress in the last 12 years is so wrong. A crude estimate: current roster players (never mind the near misses) who should be in their primes in 2018: Yedlin, Gonzalez, Brooks, Chandler, Diskerud, Green, Altidore, Johansson. Bradley and Fabian Johnson will be about 30. It’s so hard to look that far forward, but that’s a larger, more cultured core group overall than our, say, age 26 and under players from 2002: Mastroeni, O’Brien, Mathis, Wolff, Cherundolo, Beasley, and Donovan (the last 3 being all time greats).

        Finally, MLS 2002 was a contracting 10 team league. We have 19 teams now, and a steadier pipeline of young, developing talent here and abroad. I don’t know, I guess I feel like the 2014 roster is building towards something the 2002 roster wasn’t.

        • The Garrincha says:

          Tucker, albeit disparate,
          I also see your points as being valid and insightful
          along with 1st time caller, among others.
          In the end the future is brighter, now more than ever.

    • Sportsnutty says:

      How can you blame the coach for not having “done anything extraordinary”? He didn’t play, did he? Which formation should he have used which would have brought about a better result? Which five players should have been brought in to markedly improve the overall play of the team?
      This current USMNT iteration had heart, guts, and did great within their skill limitations! Give them credit for that. Here is the HUGE caveat. Until the baseline of skill amongst our player pool gets higher, we will have to fight and claw for the result that we saw these past few weeks. Klinsy or no Kilnsy. That’s ONLY how the USMNT program improves.

      • frank from santiago says:

        “current USMNT iteration had heart, guts, and did great within their skill limitations”…..”we will have to fight and claw for the result that we saw these past few weeks”……. it’s been like this for more than over a decade now. i understand americans want a winner now, but I don’t see the usa any closer than mexico in winning the world cup. there’s a reason only 9 countries have won it and 3 only once. klinsmann is no closer than bradley was, and he got lambasted for his coaching, when the current one hasn’t done much more. tough group or not, it’s the WC, they’re all tough games.

        • Mark says:

          A couple of years isn’t long enough to change a whole system. Klinsmann knew this. Give the US more time. Our domestic league is still developing. Lack of depth killed the US this World Cup but the US has a lot of youth coming up which is good. As for Mexico, I dare say they are close. Considering they sucked a year ago and did surprisingly well, they are going to be trouble this next cycle but CONCACAF is improving as a whole.

      • The Garrincha says:

        SportNutt, nice, keep coming.

      • 1st Time Caller says:

        You are right. In essence, what you are saying is that in football the manager has very little to offer tactically to the result. He cannot call timeouts and manage the clock (because it will continue to run regardless of stoppage) he cannot make substitutions at will to get out of tricky situations, and since he is limited by the lack of stoppage, he cannot really even “coach” his XI on the pitch until half time, making it very difficult for him to influence the game by way of calling set ‘plays’ or modulating the tempo and direction of the attack. Many of these duties are left up to the players on the pitch and this is one reason why having a strong captain can help a side. The manager’s effect can be felt more in training and squad selection and in the successful execution of his tactical game plan. It is also notable that his role can and should involve being a motivator, either by positive or negative reinforcement, and although this trait is less quantifiable it can be the most important. How much do the players want to win for their coach?

        But again, in the end, the players must play and earn the result. Afterall, the manager can only make lemonade with the lemons that hold an American passport. You take it one step further, putting the onus on the “baseline of skill” throughout our entire national player pool, but you are immediately discounting squad selection as a crucial part of any successful manager’s campaign. So essentially to me what you are saying is that regardless of what Bruce Arena, Bob Bradley, or Jurgen Klinsmann did, they were only every going to be as good as the players they had, and ultimately their [the managers’] individual intangibles and contributions mattered little in the grand scheme of things. End result: 2002 was an aberration because we simply had stronger players then.

        Because your point about heart and guts and doing great within skill limitations could characterize 1994 2002 2006 2010 and 2014 WC squads. I would not like to take that aspect of our collective identity as sportsmen for granted, it is a crucial part of our success the world over, in any and all endeavors and it should be celebrated and emulated. But we were not questioning whether or not this squad would bring those qualities; we knew they would.

        But you are right, perhaps I expect too much. In 2002, Bruce Arena (and our boys of course) DID “do something extraordinary” and I was simply remarking — (in response to the chorus of back-patting for our overall “progress”, a phenomenon simultaneous to the inexplicable sudden ignorance of the true quality the squad possessed in 2002)–that we have taken some steps back, and some steps forward along the way since then. 2006 was such a huge step back after the Czech Republic debacle, that the “progress” meter was reset in the minds of long time watchers methinks, and with it 2002 was largely a hazy memory. 2010 (while arguably better than 2006) was still an additional step backwards. This (2014) was surely a step forward, but it wasn’t as good of a showing as 2002, and I don’t really think that point is arguable. Until we show as well as we did then, we will not have truly “progressed” at least not in this “baseline” skill amongst the player pool.

        And by showing well I don’t just mean in results. Even though our boys displayed enough quality to bag 5 goals this tournament and flirt with WC record books here and there, the harsh truth is on the ball we were outplayed for 7 out of 8 halves and 1 out of 2 extra time periods. I don’t care what you say about that, but that to me is not clear progress from Jurgen.

    • recovered amishman says:

      One of JKs best “finds” for this cycle was actually Beasley who proved his worth at LB many times over throughout qualification and the tournament. I don’t think too many people had him on their short or long list at the beginning of the cycle.

    • GW says:

      1st Time Caller

      Nicely written but I don’t agree with anything you wrote.

      Mostly, I don’t see any really sensible way to compare 2002 to 2014, twelve years removed.

      That and I think you underestimate how difficult the World Cup is.

    • beachbum says:

      great post, agree

    • The Garrincha says:

      1st Time caller, I like it, accept for JK did bring in Brooks, and Green and
      they probably would not have even been on the radar if Klinsy, was not around.
      Now it should be more clear and evident what people mean
      when talking about players who have the skill and poise on the ball
      to create and take the game to opponents rather than toil around in neutral space.

      • 1st Time Caller says:

        I’m not so sure. If it were Bruce Arena, then yes, they likely would still be on German YNTs. But Bob brought in Jermaine Jones and Timothy Chandler and Julian Green would have been a prospect with a huge bullseye on his back even if Jurgen wasn’t our manager.

        ps. If you believe Yanks Abroad:

        (link to

        …they brought John Anthony Brooks to the attention of US Soccer. I’ve been reading that site since DaMarcus Beasley got sold to PSV and I wouldn’t put it past them. Very thorough, but still kinda seems like a stretch.

    • Mason says:

      Sorry man, but MEX should have had a penalty that would have tied the 2002 WC 2-0 at 1-1.

      • 1st Time Caller says:

        Of course that’s true, and that would have indeed changed the dynamic of the game considerably, but I still think we win that game no matter what. 5 minutes later and we score the second goal and have to watch everybody get hacked to piece for the next half hour while Mexico self-destructs.

        I appreciate that you mentioned that because it was NOT an easy game simply because we were playing Mexico (who we had won 4 out of the last 5 competitive meetings with) as some posters on this board have argued. There are no easy World Cup games. Luck went our way with the handball then, and it went the other way against Germany with their handball.

  39. beachbum says:

    MB as the attacking mid? fail
    Wondo? fail
    AJ? fail
    Davis? are you kidding me?

    I like all of those players too

    But all of these roles could have been addressed in another way. if Bob Bradley had made those selections he would get roasted alive, and rightly so, after how they performed considering those left off the squad

    Jurgen gambled with all of that. Came up snake eyes

    all of the apologists will excuse Jurgen, but for me, his actions and reasons for handcuffing the team are inexcusable. go ahead and lambast me. I don’t care. If Bob Bradley had done this, omg! skewered alive he would be here

    • El Comandante says:

      I believe that we will win!
      I believe that we will win!

      ….. the Gold Cup in 2015.

    • Kmac014 says:

      So who would u have put as the attacking mid? Guess what we don’t have one, most teams don’t

      • beachbum says:

        think about it, I believe you will find at least one name

        anyway, some teams play a different formation that shares the load, and a system that attacks differently. that’s one example of something teams do if they don’t, as you say, have one. but I disagree about our pool’s choices there and having no one. MB was only handed the role weeks before the World Cup having not done it before too.

        • 1st Time Caller says:

          There are significant disadvantages that the US is beset with because of our shortcomings in technical ability. One is that because we lack the finesse and poise on the ball—throughout the first XI (and somewhat crucially in defense as well) that means that we have to commit more (read: all) numbers to defense when playing a technically superior team. We don’t have the luxury of starting more than one player with defensive shortcomings. Thus you see Bedoya in there. Even if we had a Messi, we would be hard pressed to play the guy because the rest of the XI lacks the quality to retain possession, get out of danger, string together passes to switch the point of attack and spread out the defense and find through balls and test the defense.

          If you have defenders who are great on the ball, good at passing out of the back, they don’t have to just boot the ball everytime they are in danger (and essentially forfeit possession or offer up a 50/50 ball) this goes a long way to retaining possession and allowing greater numbers to commit up field without having to track back long distances to provide an outlet just because Besler or Omar don’t feel comfortable with the ball at their feet and an opposing player closing them down.

          • dman says:

            Absolutely correct……. Why do you think MIX did not see the field? He is more creative than almost anyone in this team…. But he is not a defender, and we need 10 defenders because we don’t do well possessing the ball against teams with technically skilled players. Maybe by next cycle we will be good enough to be able to play a few players who are pure offensive weapons…

          • beachbum says:

            I’m not advocating other. I’m the guy who insists all players must defend in today’s game. The game today allows for little else and even the great attackers must put out defensively or subject their team to a hole in their D which good teams (and mediocre ones) can exploit too easily

            • Increase says:

              Hazard wasnt defending and so he got subbed. Its quite true. Everyone must track back.

          • Umlaut says:

            I agree. I think the people being critical of us “sitting back” the whole game and not playing proactively are misrepresenting reality a little. I would say for a lot of the game we actually played a pretty high line, at least higher than we ever did in 2010. Belgium was quick in the attack after gaining possession, and all of their forward options are capable of competently starting the counter (not to mention Vertongen is maybe the best non-Brazilian attacking fullback in the tournament, and even Kompany started and finished their last effort of regulation). But the reason everyone is decrying our willingness to sit back and play defense the whole game, even though we were playing a high line (that put us in real danger because of the Belgian speed) and committing our fullbacks forward every possession, is that when we do get the ball forward with possession, there is invariably a technical letdown due to poor touch or, trapping, or creativity. It’s the most frustrating thing to watch, but it’s also what makes watching Yedlin, Green, FJ, etc. exciting because they have potential to change that for the US.

    • KingGoogleyEye says:

      beachbum: you’re absolutely right that Bob Bradley would be skewered—he got skewered for simply fielding Michael after all!

      Klinsmann has done some nutty stuff that turned out to work: countless late subs that scored, DMB as LB, bringing Green or Beckerman or Yedlin, etc. So he built up an aura of “crazy like a fox.” Deservedly so. But I agree: he can’t always get a pass.

      • beachbum says:

        King, great post, maybe your best yet imo. Did some good things, for which he has been duly praised

      • Marcelo Balboa's Mustache says:

        +1 to King and beachbum. I was a very vocal “Beasley at left back will never work” and “Beckerman is too slow for international play” critic. But overall I was pretty pleased with the defense considering what we had to work with. So I want to give Klinsmann credit for that, but what moron takes no backup target (especially with how much this team relies on target play), no LD, and Brad Davis and Wondo instead? Crazy like a fox indeed.

    • GW says:

      As I recall it did not matter what Bob Bradley did, a large portion of SBI posters always skewered him. He played his son, he did not speak to the media, he wore the same basic track suit and he got skewered for all of it,

      I find all this after the fact BB love a little hypocritical especially when you consider, that JK is trying to effect a cultural change , which always draws flak and The Bruce is a a bit of a $@#%, while all Bob was was a really good coach who is an even better man and he he did a great job making chicken soup out of chicken $#@&.

      beachbum, I get you hate JK and are pissed about LD but why don’t you leave BB out of this? He’s already done his time with the USMNT “fan” base.

      • beachbum says:

        others are ALWAYS comparing this team to Bob’s. Please go tell all of them to leave it alone too. Maybe now they will :)

      • Donovan's Ghost says:

        Klinsmann had a track suit moment vs. Portugal when he came out in that weak throwback jersey. Now that our run is over and we start preparing for 2018 i’ve got to admit that im glad we will have Klins at the helm. Despite much deserved criticism he is still the best option to build this program and make the strategic decisions for continuing the growth and development of soccer in the US.

  40. Ty says:

    Disgusting. 4 defenders 3 d mids. Wonder why we can’t score. Then bring in Wondolowski wtf? Donovan was missed all tournament. Nice to see Green and Yedlin play well. How did we not see more of Brooks? How did Iceman and Mix only get one match? How slow is Zusi? Can any one put in a decent cross? Cameron not a CB! Beasley congrats on a great career! Howard stud! Dempsey you might be the most touted overrated American athlete I’ve ever seen. Bradley go back to Europe please. Beckerman earned some respect but please cut your hair. Jones stud! Klinsmann decent job but your line up today F man! Long live 2002 WC.

  41. Neil says:

    Don’t want to be a Wondo apologist. He needs to bury that. But putting in Johanson, (or Johnson, Donovan, etc) likely wouldn’t have resulted In a goal on that play. The one thing Wondo does better than those guys is get himself into those poaching positions.

    He needed to convert and he would have been the poaching hero.

  42. Colt says:

    Wondo had his chance to be a hero and failed miserably. He was brought to Brazil to poach a goal; the ball fell perfectly for him and he wilted in the bright lights of the World Cup. If that’s an MLS game, he puts it in the back of the net. That one moment of thought, knowing he was about to put us through to the final 8 got to him, and he choked. No two ways about it. Hate it for him, as he will never live it down.

    Tim Howard deserved better. Best performance by a keeper you will ever see.

    For all the talk of our defense prior to the tournament, Besler, Gonzo , FJ and especially Beasley played well. Most frustrating to me was our wide play. Our wide mids were non existent the entire tournament.

    Disappointing to see us defend for the majority of the game once again. We are closing the gap, but there’s still a difference between the top nations and the US.

    Hopefully MLS and USMNT can use the excitement and support of the World Cup to spark more interest in the game back home.

    • Only Results Matter says:

      and he does not deserve to forget about his choke… Ridiculous

      • shaggie96 says:

        Good hell. This is the second time I’ve seen this comment. Does the name Donnie Moore mean anything to you?

        I hope Wondo feels bad for a day, forgets the moment he steps back on US soil, has a wonderful sunset to a great MLS career, and never suits up for the USMNT again.

    • Super Nintendo Chalmers says:

      We lacked quality on our crosses in general, but particularly so against Belgium. Beasley, who played a great game defensively, did poorly on the overlap. Once he crossed across the 6 instead of angling it to the 18 where both MB 90 and Dempsey were trailing. We were poor on our corners too and save the one trick free kick,our set pieces lacked quality.

  43. Two Cents says:

    I thought we were off from the beginning. I would not have started Cameron. I’ve never been a fan of Beckerman, but he has been doing a good job. You don’t drop him unless he is gassed.

    From there, it was just down to the players, easily giving away possession when we could have had a larger portion of it, ultimately helping our back line and Howard in terms of amount of work necessary to keep Belgium out.

    Johnson going down was a killer blow. He has been very good for us, but I was extremely impressed with Yedlin’s play, even though I’ve never been a big fan, mainly due to lack of seeing him play, not for a player biased reason. He tracked back and went forward very well, sometimes going forward a little too much, but we needed something.

    Wondo…just bad, not to mention missing a wide open shot. I know I may get flack for this, but this is the exact reason Donovan should have been on this team. I don’t think getting out of the group was any sort of vindication for Klinsmann, as I always expected us to have a decent shot to get out of the group, although difficult. Thus, this is the game that mattered. This is the game that Donovan would have been key in. Creating chances, taking set pieces (our set pieces were rather poor minus that nice move in extra time that yet again ended with a missed potential chance), and scoring goals. I get it, water under the bridge, but I just hate feeling that we could have been at least that much better with Donovan and on that one play, you put Donovan in Wondo’s shoes, I think we score and are on to the next game. To be fair, however, I don’t know how things may have transpired if we still had Altidore at full strength. That would also have changed the dynamic of the game, with or without Donovan.

    Hats off to Julian Green too. Great goal and was consistently dangerous for the short amount of time he was on the field. He will be an amazing player to watch.

    Jones was a beast again. Not as good on the ball as previous matches, but doing the usual gritty work, including taking a shot to the shin and face, and playing on. Bradley was running all over as usual and did better with distribution, but still not up to snuff. Great ball to Julian, however. Cameron was off a bit as well. At some points doing well, but was caught out far too often. Zusi was pretty quiet and not necessarily for good reason, which is why I was glad he was subbed, but I was hoping for Mix, not Wondo. Bedoya was a workhorse as usual, but just doesn’t possess much going forward, at least against this type of competition.

    Dempsey was so so, apparently thinking he had Gareth Bale’s left foot, but at least taking some shots on goal.

    Barring some miscues here and there, I thought our back line played pretty well, especially any balls in the air and set pieces, where Belgium could use some of their big boys.

    I really think Mix should have been subbed on at some point. He is our most technically gifted player, likes possession, can handle pressure, and seems to create or score a goal every time he is on the pitch.

    Lastly, Howard is the MotM hands down. Played his best game for the US in a very long time I thought. There wasn’t much more he could do except to score a goal.

    Decent run for the Americans, but I was certainly expecting more because I truly believe we can keep up. Just gotta keep moving forward and hopefully we will be a powerhouse come 2018. Russia, here we come.

  44. usa fan says:

    1 minute of extra time was absolutely ridiculous. Portugal got 5 minutes against us and we get 1. We weren’t blatantly robbed like last world cup (Solomon Couliby) but we are still getting robbed just more subtle. I think FIFA didn’t give us more time because they felt we were going to score if there was any more time. They had to let the bigger footballing nation (Belgium) through.
    Regardless I’m proud of the team and we almost squeeked out a win.

    • JayAre says:

      Well they’ll have a hard time filling those stadiums once we are gone. Belgium is the size of Maryland do you know how hard MD is to find on a US map for a foreigner? But i agree with you FIFA let Ronaldo get an extra 5 minutes in the first and second half. This sh!t is becoming criminal

    • Kmac014 says:

      We’ll we got one minute of extra time in a 15 minute half and Portugal got 5 minutes after a 45 minute half. I agree though we should’ve gotten 2, Portugal 4

  45. JayAre says:

    May Zusi and Bedoya never play for the USMNT again. We need real wingers that are at least capable of beating mediocre defenders one on one. Yedlin, Johnson and Beasley (all defenders) were the only ones threatening their outside backs. Thats fu$king crazy!!!

  46. El Comandante says:

    I believe that we will win!
    I believe that we will win!

    ….. the Gold Cup in 2015

  47. didoson says:

    I actually thought this was the best we played the whole tournament, and if we had to go home that is the way I wanted to see us play. Bradley came back to life and put in a great performance. Yedlin stepped up huge when FJ went down early. Beasley looked like he made a deal with the devil to turn back the clock. Howard was huge. Wondo had one chance and he missed it. It happens. Jones looked gassed from carrying the team for three games running. Zusi had an off day and JK made the right decision to bring him off. Congrats to the team and the coach. We were close to going to the quarters and we lost our main striker 15 minutes into the tournament. I suspect that the people throwing hissy fits on here don’t really understand the game of soccer. Great job boys — classic game!

  48. Homer says:

    Stupid Flanders,…..

  49. El Comandante says:

    So, what’s you all team for the so important Gold Cup in 2015? Can I get a quick starting eleven?

    • Shawn says:

      FW – Altidore

      LM – Green

      RM – Bedoya

      AM – Dempsey

      CM – Bradley

      DM’s – Trapp, jones

      Back 4 – FJ, Besler, Gonzo, Yedlin

    • Jag says:

      Do we see Dempsey, Beasley, Jones, Howard, LD phased out by next summer? I can’t see that happening just yet. But I’m confident none of the 5 will be in Russia

      • El Comandante says:

        Beasley is out, Landon is out already, Howard is probably making way, Jones is worn out and Dempsey maybe.

    • Jag says:

      Fwd: Jozy
      CAM: Dempsey
      LM: Green
      RM: FJ
      CM: Bradley
      CM: Jones
      RB: Yedlin
      LB: Chandler
      CB: Brooks
      CB: Gonzo
      GK: Howard

      FWD: Aron, Boyd, Agudelo
      MID: Gil, Mix, Bedoya, Williams
      DEF: Besler, Cameron, Ream
      GK: Guzan, Johnson

  50. Jag says:

    Jurgen was roasted when the roster came out, myself included in that. However, I am excited about him leading this team through the next cycle. Progress has been made. We are getting there.

    Disappointed today. Proud of the fight we showed throughout the tournament. We got out of the group of death. We had a shot to knock out Belgium. JK put us in that position. It didn’t shake our way today, but no doubt many positives to take away from this tournament.

    • derek gores says:

      Yes yes yes. And thank you for the positives on here. We are playing faster, possessing more, creating more, and have more offensive options… including our wide defenders. PROUD!

  51. Dennis says:

    Great effort by the USA players all throughout the tournament. But for some special plays by our opponents, especially Ronaldo’s final touch and Lukaka’s strength, was what in the end caused the US to come up a bit short.

    For those of us who remember needing a win at T&T in the last game of the 1990 qualifiers to get to the WC and watching the US get soundly spanked by Czechoslovakia this WC was a wholy better experience. This time people in the USA actually knew we were playing in the world cup.

    Unlike 1986 I did not have to watch the WC games on Univision.

    US soccer is growing by leaps and bounds. The future looks very bright.

  52. Dc says:

    Definitely the best I have ever felt about a world cup loss. Valiant effort. I love that the youngins stepped up. And Howard of course, but you never have to worry about that dude.

    • Donovan's Ghost says:

      sorry but I can’t imagine feeling worse after a loss. we had a great opportunity to be facing Argentina in the next round. When it counted most our lineup and strategy fell flat today.

  53. Ray tango says:

    Anyone who disagrees with me on this please come forward. Grahm zusi is simply physically inferior on the international level. As a fill in against concacaf minnows due to scheduling for others? Fine. Other then that if we can’t send out a specimen better then him in a World Cup final well then that’s just sad.

    • MikeG says:

      I mentioned Zusi is more of a playmaker central midfielder type. He does not have the speed to play out wide. I mentioned this so many times. Donovan should be in the playmaker role behind two forwards. Zusi, with his vision and passing, would be more effective in the middle, as a backup to Donovan. The USMNT needs speed on the wings and not a player like Jones. Unfortunately, we are at the mercy of Klinnsman as fans.

      • MikeG says:

        Fabian Johnson, I called for him to move up into midfield, and put Cameron at RB. Simple things that Klinnsman shoots down for what reason is beyond me. Yedlin, down the road, could be a RB or RW.

        • shaggie96 says:

          I agree with you on the Fabian/Cameron combo, however, Ray said Zusi is physically inferior and at least in this game it is without question. He had by far the hardest time retaining possession. He constantly got knocked off the ball and was swatted away like a fly going into challenges time after time. Not to mention his lack of speed.

    • g-dub says:

      I disagree. He did not play well today. He may have had heavy legs. But he had some good moments thus Cup and he deserved to be there.

  54. believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ says:

    We won the possession battle though!

    • believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ says:

      But they had 38 shots, 27 on goal… How are we suppose to win with those kind of numbers.

      • JayAre says:

        Thats crazy no goalie should ever be put thru that.

      • Only Results Matter says:

        By Wondo scoring the sitter. Simple. And was there.

      • Mason says:

        How could they have had 27 shots on goal when Howard made 16 saves and let two by him? Do they count blocked shots as “on goal”?

  55. Benjamin C. says:

    The right side of our attack could be so deadly going forward if you pair Yedlin at full back with the proper midfielder in front of him. Shift Johnson back over to the left full back, and we could have some serious joy on the flanks going forward. I am interested which young guys continue to develop in the next few years, and which veterans continue on (Jozy, Bradley, Fabian, for sure, probably Besler and Cameron as well; Gonzalez is a total enigma for me). American soccer has never been more exciting, MLS has never been at a higher level. It hurts now, bad, but this was a successful World Cup and we played brave soccer. Keep the never say die team spirit, add more skill and technical ability, you might have something cooking in 2018.

    • MikeG says:

      No. Do not waste the talent of Fabian Johnson at RB or LB when he is perfect for RW or LW. Yedlin allows F Johnson to go to midfield. Does anybody not see what F Johnson is capable of in midfield during the pre WC games and in the WC?

      • Only Results Matter says:

        Stop talking about future. Future is now and we have failed. We made progress? Where was Belgium 4 years ago? Where is it now? Why we don’t compare us to Belgium and simply admit that we fail and fail again. Costa Rica is in QF and we are home. DISASTER.

        • recovered amishman says:

          Let me guess, you are great big ginger and your name rhymes with Wallace.

      • Benjamin C. says:

        Yedlin and Fabian on the same flank sounds tantalizing. I wanted to see that today, but alas, twas not to be.

  56. Bac says:

    The great Jurgen Klinsmann, the man who was going to give us exciting attacking soccer picks a starting line up with one goalkeeper, four defender. three d-mids (one of the d-mids is actually a defender) and only three attackers two of whom are not worth a dam. What Klinsmann did today was Bunker Bob style soccer in overdrive. Klinsmann didn’t park the bus. He parked a freight train. In the first 90 minutes Belgium had nearly 30 shots and many of those on target while the US had less than half a dozen. Without the extraordinary play of Tim Howard the US would have lost at least by 4-0.

    The USMNT could have won today with a more proactive line-up and with the addition of Landon Donovan and two or three other more offensive-minded players. Clarence Goodson would have helped also/ In this bracket with Argentina playing like sh!t the USMNT could have made to the semi-final to face The Netherlands if Klinsmann would have picked a better roster.

    • Jay says:

      Please give me these offensive players you speak of?

      • Bac says:

        I have no idea who is trolling me like that, but I did NOT post that…
        Grow up , that’s just classless

    • Bac says:

      Stop using my name whoever you are.
      Low class move to do something that immature after just getting knocked out.
      Grow up

    • GW says:

      Did you watch the game.

      Had they not “parked the freight train” the game is 4-2 Belgium at the half and maybe ends up 7-3 Belgium.

      JK’s job is to get a result not please the fans.

  57. MikeG says:

    Wow, I am excited about some younger players that will be a BIG part of the USMNT future. However, I am not sure if Klinnsman will put players in the right place to maximize the performance of the team.

    • Benjamin C. says:

      Green, Yedlin, Boyd, Agudelo, Gil, Zardes just a few young players I am excited. Want see Mix and AJ get some more run. Altidore is still fairly young, and I hope the heartbreak of barely playing in this Cup motivates to become even better. Interesting years ahead.

      • MikeG says:

        As a Galaxy fan who goes to games when I can…I am watching Zardes too. He is versatile, but I think does his best work is in the penalty area as a forward.

        • Benjamin C. says:

          Not sure why, but did not realize how physically imposing he was until this season. He is an athletic freak.

        • The Garrincha says:

          Mike G. Think Zardes today as Lukaku lite.
          maybe tomorrow Zardes the great.

    • Alex H says:

      Absolutely Concur.

      Here is a 2018 starting lineup of people on today’s team that will be 30 and under.



      Fabian——————— Brooks———————–Gonzo———————–Yedlin

      ———————————————-Adu (yes shameless trolling for replies)————

      Not a bad start and of course there are lots of young players that have yet to get their shot. Not to mention the fact that US force in NATO was still pretty formidable in the 1990’s so who knows what Jurgen will be able to recruit from Germany

      • Benjamin C. says:

        Making and performing well in the upcoming U-20 Cup and the Olympics is of paramount importance to me. I want see what these young guys have got.

        • Alex H says:

          Gold Cup is also important because if we win in 2015 we get int the Confederations Cup as well.

      • MikeG says:

        I would swap Yedlin and Chandler…but this is more closely related to today. 3 years ago we had no idea about Green, Yedlin, Brooks, or Chandler. Gatt could make a comeback. I am sure others will emerge down the years. Bring on COPA AMERICA!!!

        • Alex H says:

          I think we are well placed going forward. Back in 2010 my biggest worry was that our 4 best players, Landon, Clint, Boca and Cherundalo would all be well over 30 come cup time and it would take a while to sort out who had how much left in the tank. This time around I don’t think we will have that dilemma, except maybe if Tim Howard wants to stick around.

  58. Tony Meola says:

    We need to get seeded come the next world cup. We are always likely to be in a group of death if we aren’t. Just imagine we get to play a second rate Euro team, an Asian team, and an African/South American team. The group would be much more manageable. If we win we would get to play a runner up in the round of 16. It would give us a legit chance to at least make the quarterfinals and then who knows what can happen.

    • MikeG says:

      I would be really interested in seeing Klinnsman put players in the right places and stop saturating the talent of somebody like Fabian Johnson. Put Fabian Johnson on a wing.

  59. frank from santiago says:

    im surprised people are ok with the USA under klinsmann considering the team went 1-1-2, very defensive minded and looked not much different than the b. bradley era. the usual USA traits, lots of heart and play until the final whistle, not much else.

    • Jay says:

      Im surprised people thought the same lack of talent could do any better then four years ago. People we dont have the talent yet. Yedlin, Green, and others are a start but is going to take time to match Belgium in talent let alone an Argentina and Germany. You have to walk before you run and right now we are walking.

    • Alex H says:

      Really tough group though. I’m OK with Klinsi but only OK.

  60. turgid jacobian says:

    God save everyone if Belgium really becomes a team instead of players.

    • Benjamin C. says:

      Don’t think many truly realize how much talent Belgium has on its roster. A literal embarrassment of riches. Plus, they were much fresher than the U.S.; no excuse making, but they had not faced the overall brutality that the American has squad dealt with in this competition. Wouldn’t be a bit surprised if they lifted the trophy. And this match went to the final moments of extra time. Very brave performance.

    • g-dub says:

      Actually Belgium’s tactics are pretty brilliant – after letting this sink in. They almost invite you forward in ways designed to spring their dynamic attackers into wide space. All they need is to finish at a better rate.

      • Mason says:

        To be fair, Belgium’s finishing was fine – Howard was just playing with all the cheat codes activated.

  61. The German says:

    Overall, entertaining and exciting game. One of the best of a very good WC. Outstanding performances by howard and beasly. Good by Jones. Others not so much.

  62. Paul Terry says:

    Bottom line is, we did not make any progress even with Klinsmann. Btw, you know what Costa Ricans are saying? Theirs was the Group of Death.

    • Jay says:

      They played a old Italy team an overrated England and a mental Uruguay. None of those three beat Germany and doubtful on Ghana and Portugal. And then for there second round they got the weakest round of sixteen team in Greece. Congrats to them and I’ll be routing them on but if you think they had a harder road then us you are watching a diffen’t world cup.

      • Tommy B. says:

        Two wins and a tie in the group stage vs a lucky win, a tie against Portugal’s joke running joke on poor CR7, and a loss against a Germany squad playing at 50%. Against one of the most uncomfortable and confusing teams in the world they played with 10 and deserved the win. They took care of their business and are now in the top 8; we couldn’t. Facts.

        • Mason says:

          Fact: Putting “Fact” after opinion doesn’t make something fact.

          CRC has done well for the cards they were dealt, but they’re not the same cards that USA was dealt. And unlike cards, you can’t compare the two with any certainty. There’s no transitive property of dominance.

    • Mark says:

      I Agree. They played against THREE World Cup Champions and came out on top. Ours was a group of death too except for two things 1) The US was expected to beat Ghana. And to be blunt we should have beaten them the last two times. 2) PORTUGAL IS OVERRATED. I can’t say this enough. PORTUGAL IS OVERRATED!!!
      Yes, ENgland is overrated too, but Costa rica was not suppose to have a chance against any of the teams where as people had high hopes for the US to do damage.

      • Kmac014 says:

        Ghana was favored against us, ur right on Portugal being overrated

      • Jay says:

        Playing three past world cup champs doesn’t make them world cup capable this year. I don’t know what people you knew who had hough hopes for the USA because it wasn’t the majority of people. Portugal is over rated to be sure but nowhere as bad as England. Ask your self would you have switched groups with Costa Rica. I would have.

      • Mason says:

        People had high hopes for the US to do damage?

        Okay, no. People had hopes for the US to get out the group. Many were saying three losses.

  63. chuck says:

    Before the extra time i was utterly p1ssed off. We were playing like Mexico, waiting for the big bad euro team to score and letting them make our keeper MOTM.

    Then the last 15 were awesome but not enough. Still, very uneven performances: while Jones was giving out his guts, Bradley was scared sh1tless. While Howard was stopping impossible shots, Besler was chasing belgians for an autograph.

    I look forward for a bright future. It’s excellent to have Copa America on US soil in 2016, I want to see more of JJ and he won’t likely be around for the next WC.

  64. Paul Terry says:

    Bottom line is, we did not make any progress even with Klinsmann. By the way, you know what Costa Ricans are saying? Theirs was the Group of Death.

  65. Johannes Kinz says:

    It was apparent to me that this team lacks a true leader (besides Howard). Hmm, I wonder who could have been that calm, cool, collected leader to run things in the middle of the pitch?

  66. bizzy says:

    Its over, we went down fighting, guns ah blazing and exited the world cup with respect…….To press and miss chance after chance (even though Howard made save after save too) showed we played with heart (a little too late though, we should have started with that intensity).
    1) We have the defense (Besler, Beasley, Gonzo, Johnson, Yedlin) to complete at the highest level
    2) Yedlin was outstanding, especially coming on “cold” and running at Belgium defenders. He is part of the future of US soccer.
    3) Wondo was out classed and out played….too slow, couldn’t run at defenders, and couldn’t put the ball in the back of the net….totally out classed
    4) Green should have been on the field way sooner, even without the goal, changed the tempo of the game, especially after scoring
    5) Landon Donovan, starter or not, should have been on that team in Brazil.
    6) We would have had a better chance with AJ than Wondo….hands down
    7) Tim Howard – is simply a beast
    But hind sight is always 20/20 after the fact. We are out of the world cup but we left like men…..shoving the win down their throats and making them earn it, after 2 goals down, with our backs to the wall and our foot on the gas pedal up to the very end.

    • GW says:


      Soccer is not a compartmentalized game like the NFL. In the NFL a team can have a great defense and great special teams and a mediocre offense. So they draft a great QB and bring in a new OC and build a new offense and suddenly they have a complete team.
      It does not work that way in soccer. All 11 players have a role in the defense and all 11 have a role in the offense.

      You say if only AJ had been there instead of Wondo or if Green had only been on earlier thing would have been different. But you don’t know that. Wondo’s miss( which may have been offside anyway) was a bang bang thing and might have been missed by AJ. And Green was running at what had to be an exhausted Belgian defense.

      The point is you fail to give credit to Belgium.

      We lose Altidore, they lose Christian Benteke. Look him up he’s pretty dammed awesome. So they replace him with Origi a guy I never heard of but who I’m pretty sure would start for the US were he eligible. And who do they sub in for Origi? Lukakau, who I guarantee you starts for the US.

      All three Belgian beast strikers are easily are much better than Jozy.

      And their other subs were Mirallas and Chadli. I’m not big on Chadli but Mirallas starts for the US no doubt.

      Their roster is easily twice as talented as anything the US’ could have assembled.

      Meanwhile the US misses Jozy, loses Fabian and has diminished players in Jones. Dempsey and Mikey.

      Belgium deserved their win but it is hardly unrealistic to say the US could have won this game or taken it to penalties.

      The truth is Belgium were luckier than the US. Take your nit picking somewhere else and thank God you are lucky enough to have a team worth rooting for, every one of them even Wondo , you ingrate.

      • bizzy says:

        The most pointless ever… you have 11 defenders on the field? This is not the NFL…….. No GW, You have the Goalkeeper, Defenders (key word), Midfielders and Forwards. We defend and attack as a unit which is besides the point. Secondly Wondo apart from his misses didn’t cause any trouble or pains for the Belgium Defenders (unlike Green).
        What does Benteke have to do with anything I wrote? For someone who watches EPL maybe Benteke is new to you. Look him up? lol, that’s funny
        Further more what does the talent level of their roster have to do with us playing with heart? That’s the point, we played our hearts out even though man for man their talent far exceeds ours. I think you pre-wrote this and just copied and pasted…..has to be.

        • Mason says:

          “Do you ever have 11 defenders on the field?”

          Yes. Every time you don’t have the ball. Look at how the US defended. Usually 10 or 11 players (Dempsey would float back slowly) would be involved in defense.

          “You have the Goalkeeper, Defenders (key word), Midfielders and Forwards”
          And yet our best defenders were midfielders and our best attackers were fullbacks (defenders). Does this confuse you?

          • bizzy says:

            wow….is comprehension level that low? Was Deuce or Bedoya LISTED as a Defender on the roster? Regardless of how they play they are listed in a group……is that so hard for some of you to grasp? damn…..

      • bizzy says:

        “The truth is Belgium were luckier than the US. Take your nit picking somewhere else and thank God you are lucky enough to have a team worth rooting for, every one of them even Wondo , you ingrate.”…….if you didn’t have you head so far up your a$$ you’d know my comments were of praises and complements. Ingrate? Ungrateful about what??????
        “Its over, we went down fighting, guns ah blazing and exited the world cup with respect…….To press and miss chance after chance (even though Howard made save after save too) showed we played with heart”……that’s my first paragraph, learn to read before you comment negatively retard

  67. MikeG says:

    Bring on Copa America and the hope Klinnsman puts players in the right position and makes getting the ball and players into the penalty area a national standard to playing the game. I am not talking about getting ‘just outside’ the penalty area, play keep away, until you lose the ball. Route one soccer to the penalty area. Play compact in offense and defense. MLS coaches, if you are reading, make Route One direct to the penalty area a major approach to playing this game. Time for a new attitude.

  68. Johannes Kinz says:

    Klinsmann put out an ultra defensive lineup every single game at the World Cup. This leads me to believe he was afraid that there would be a couple blowouts against us and he would be embarrassed. Simple as that.

    • John says:

      you may be on to something, I still like Klinsmann for a coach and he did get a lot of things right. I just think he was too unsure of the capabilities of the team so he went ultra-defensive. When you get on the big stage some coaches go very conservative.

  69. bryan says:

    i will say, Wondo had a nice pass to Dempsey on the free kick. set Dempsey up nicely but Dempsey couldn’t bury it.

    • bryan says:

      Chris Wondolowski ‏@ChrisWondo 1m
      I’m gutted to have let down everyone but especially my teammates. It’s been an incredible ride but I know this will make me stronger.

      ok ok ok, i’ll stop bagging on him now.

      • Jag says:

        Hate it for him. Classy move on his part. But doesn’t make me feel any better. That moment will be remembered forever, and he will unfortunately always be scapegoated.

        We all know he should have put it in the back of the net. He knows it too, and he will have to live with that forever. There’s nothing for him to come back stronger too. Not like he’s 22 and will get another chance at a World Cup. His gaffe cost us the quarter finals. Hate it for him. Hate it for Howard. Hate it for Jurgen. Hate it for the 23. Hate it for the entire nation.

        I think there’s still a gap between us and the world powers. But we emerged from the group of death and had Belgium beat with a simple finish. An underwhelming albeit talented Argentina awaited in the quarters, the CRC or Netherlands in the semis. The bracket set up well for us to make a deep run.

  70. Fast Eddie says:

    Boy am I p*ssed off, and so is Expat. For 90 minutes we were on our heels and Tim Howard played better than great. 0-0 extra time. At the 105 minute mark here are the stats. Belgium 2 USA 0, Shots: Belgium 37. USA 10. shots on goal: Belgium 16, USA 3, Corner kicks: Belgium 17. USA 4. For 105 minutes we were on our heels.

    Then Julian Green finally got on the field for the first time in the world cup and what happened? Everything changed, (forget about his goal, that the weakling as everyone here called him, held off a much bigger defender and kept his ground), no longer were the USA on their heels but Belgium were on theirs. The stats changed and the USA were on the attack for those final 15 minutes.

    imho, if Julian had come in half-time, or at the 72 minute mark instead of Wondo, or if Julian would have come in at the end of regulation time when the score was 0-0 we would have won the game! The kid made that much of a difference. Why in the %&$€ didn’t they play him earlier, like against Portugal?

    All of you, just watch the last 15 minutes of this game again. It was the best the USMNT have ever played. Why?

    • Johannes Kinz says:

      They didn’t attack because they had an ultra-defensive line up. The likes of which Bob Bradley would have called a conservative approach.

    • bizzy says:

      +1 agreed….absolutely

    • Fast Eddie says:

      Here are the stats for the last 15 minutes. Belgium 1 shot, USA 6 shots on goal.

      • Johannes Kinz says:

        Exactly, change of tatics. Bringing on offensive players. Huge relelation!

        • Fast Eddie says:

          Sorry, it wasn’t bringing on offensive playerS and it wasn’t a change in tactics, it was due to a single player, a teenager by the name, Julian Green.

          • Kmac014 says:

            It was more the situation than green. Belgium was just sitting on their two goal lead

            • bryan says:

              exactly. Belgium, up 2-0, was content to ride it out. it almost backfired though. but their tactical change fed into why the last 15 minutes was so dominate for us.

    • beachbum says:

      imo Jurgen only played him when he thought it was his last chance to play him before getting eliminated from the World Cup and he wanted to give Julian a taste. Julian never appeared to actually be a part of any game plans

  71. Johannes Kinz says:

    They didn’t attack because they had an ultra-defensive line up. The likes of which Bob Bradley would have called a conservative approach.

  72. QuakerOtis says:

    Clint was gassed. Jones was gassed. They were mentally done as of 60′ in the Germany game. Blame Klinsimann all you want, but he’s big part of us getting as far as we did.

    Here’s to Howard.

    Here’s to Yedlin, Green… and further development.


  73. Johannes Kinz says:

    Losing is not that upsetting. I guess it’s just that most of us were sick of the Empty bucket, Bunker and try to steal a goal here and there, always assuming the other team is better overall kind of tactics. Klinsmann just disappointed me with the 3 holding mids in every single game. I feel like he lied when he got the job.

    • MikeG says:

      Klinnsman lied about a lot of things. Look at the Donovan getting cut and Chandler making the team situation. Klinnsman is all about Klinnsman.

      • Johannes Kinz says:

        How did he lie about Donovan? Seems like he never liked him (Which is stupid IMO)

    • GW says:

      Mr Kinz,

      You may not have noticed this but the US was playing Belgium.
      Belgium lost Benteke to injury so now they start Origi and then they sub him out Lukaku. All three are much better than Jozy.
      That is just one example of the reality that this Belgian team is two maybe three times as deep and talented as the US.
      Care to give me the “attacking” US lineup (whatever that means) that would have beaten Belgium?
      On paper Belgium should have beaten the US 4-0. JK fields a lineup to shut them down and basically does that and gives the US a chance to win the game. You don’t like that, but that is how the game is played at this level..

      • bizzy says:

        Yo….you are bent on letting people know that you know Belgium lost Benteke due to injury.
        Origi and Lukaku are all better than Altidore……why the comparison? was Altidore on the field?
        “That is just one example of the reality that this Belgian team is two maybe three times as deep and talented as the US”………didn’t better talented players help; Italy to beat Costa Rica or England dismantle Costa Rica, better yet help Spain beat Chile? NO So Who cares what’s on paper…..
        “You don’t like that, but that is how the game is played at this level”……says who?

      • Advocate says:

        GW: I think you’re probably right that there isn’t any “attacking” or other lineup that would likely have allowed us to beat as strong a team as Belgium. Still, if we could have a do-over starting a couple of months ago, I think we might have done much better against Belgium (and even better in the group) with Fabian Johnson and Landon Donovan playing left and right in midfield instead of Zusi, Bedoya and Davis — particularly after Jozy went down. This would have added Donovan’s creativity and skill-set and more of Johnson’s drive to the attack without sacrificing anything of importance on defense. It might also have improved Bradley’s performance by allowing him to return to his normal role and preferred position.

  74. D-Bo says:

    Incredibly proud of this team. They represented their nation with courage, dignity, and class. I have loved watching this team under Klinzy and I’m proud to say they represented this country. They gave everything they had despite enduring the roughest schedule of the tournament.

    It’s unfortunate they lost, but I’m more excited about how they played and how they succeeded. Love this team and this coach. Let’s go further in 2018.

    • Johannes Kinz says:

      You’re excited about the way they played? Portugual game had some glimpses I guess.

  75. Heartbroken says:

    I think we were about two quality players away from being a legitimate contender this year. Replace Bedoya and Zusi with guys who can keep the ball and make plays and we have a pretty solid looking offense.

    • Johannes Kinz says:

      Didn’t we have someone like that but left him home in place of Davis?

      • Heartbroken says:

        No, we didn’t. Donovan could not have run up and down the field defending, something that was absolutely required of our outside mids at all points in the game given our exposure on the wings. When will people lose this ridiculous mindset that Donovan would have been the panacea to all our issues?

        • Johannes Kinz says:

          Um, you were asking for quality players and I gave you one that was availiable. Another hint, if you control possession (Donvan’s good at that) you don’t have to “run up and down the field defending” all the time like we were forced to do in every game because of ultra defensive tactics.

          • GW says:

            He was good at all that in 2010 and the US still lost to Ghana a team inferior to this Belgium juggernaut. And he is currently easily much less of a player now than he was then.

            And he really did not want to be in Brazil anyway otherwise he would have been there.

            • beachbum says:

              he didn’t want to be there? where are you getting this stuff GW?

              • Mason says:

                “I can’t train every day at 100%….”

              • beachbum says:

                Mason, that doesn’t mean that, it means he knows his older body, what it can do/not do…I think it’s pretty clear LD wanted to be there

        • Advocate says:

          How absurd, Heartbroken. Donovan has “run up and down the field defending” just about every time I’ve seen him play for club or country, particularly as a left or right midfielder. That would be, perhaps, a couple of hundred times over the last thirteen or so years. And, for what it’s worth, he’s quite good at it, at least for a strong attacking player.

      • D-Bo says:

        Maybe, but Donovan may have needed another sabbatical around now, just to get his thoughts together.

  76. Cabrito says:

    They played so well in first half, then Klinman “parked the bus” in the second. I don’t get it. Was the plan to try and get a first half goal them defend? When the goal didn’t come, it was back to “defense first” and counter. A shame. Where’s the progress and open play he promised??

    • Johannes Kinz says:

      Thank you. Progress? Not gonna happen unless he puts players in place to make it happen.

  77. MikeG says:

    Just goes to show playing in the best European leagues, Europa League, and Champions league will help develop a player on the international level (Jermaine Jones for example). I saw too many MLS style turn over the ball cheaply type of mistakes in this World Cup.

  78. Since 82 says:

    The very minute Altidore went down against Germany, I knew today’s “Wondo” moment would come. JK’s reluctance to select either Boyd or EJ, his refusal to play AJ (after the opener) or Wondo meaningful minutes (up until today), indicated that he had no faith in a second forward. Ultimately, that put Deuce out of his comfort zone and where he could do the most damage. It put a significant amount of pressure on Bradley. It kept us from putting forward our best lineup and personnel.

    And so it goes.

    Lack of a top flight player and, more importantly, lack of depth are what are keeping us from cracking the top 10 and seriously contending.

    • Mason says:

      EJ is missing that kind of shot in MLS, if he even gets it. Wondo at least hits it in MLS.

  79. Roman Lewandowski says:

    Lichaj would have contributed.

  80. MikeG says:

    We will see a generational change with the USMNT. We have some young promising players who will ‘take over’ the team like Boyd, Green, Mix, Yedlin, Altidore, Kevin Bacon, Gil, the list is much longer. The question is will Klinnsman play with 3 DM’s and leave talent on the bench who can make a difference? Will Klinnsman put players out of position like Fabian Johnson? I feel optimistic about the future of the players, but pessimistic about the coaching staff.

    • Johannes Kinz says:

      Again, I think he did not want to get embarrassed so he went defensive. Extremely disappointing because he said he wouldn’t do that. smh

  81. MikeG says:

    Too many hamstring issues. Overuse issues?

  82. Raymon says:

    No waffles, beer or chocolate for me, just out of spite!

  83. Patrick2 says:

    You know, after the teeth gnashing and what not, kindly remember people that Klinsamann got his team out of the Group of Death and pushed a ridiculously talented Belgian team (that doesn’t need to cheat or dive) into overtime. I didn’t like a lot of Klinsmann’s personnel choices, but a huge chunk of them turned out well for him.

    This is an honorable result that leaved the US well positioned for the *movie trailer voice” SÚPER COPA AMEEEERICA 2016 and beyond.

    • Johannes Kinz says:

      You mean Howard saved our butts! No keeper should be required to stop an onslaught like that. Bad tatics by Klinnsman

    • MikeG says:

      Honestly, the players Klinnsman selected dictated 3 DM’s on the field at the same time, but how effective do you balance defense and offense with those types of players on the field at the same time? Well, it’s not a secret, but our offense was sacrificed for the sole purpose of a counter attack. With 3 DM’s we could only counter attack. So, in those regards, with the players Klinnsman selected, he realistically could only park the bus and counter when you can. However, we have the players available that could have provided more possession in attack, but Klinnsman either did not play with those players or played them out of position like Fabian Johnson who should have been in midfield.

  84. mike says:

    Amazing to watch this game. I am bummed. I am proud. And if you haven’t checked news sites outside of the USA there is quite a bit of positive chatter about the USA in this match. Go USA! You did me proud!

  85. Clover362 says:

    There is so much ignorance in this thread it’s more disheartening than the loss. Here is a couple of points that need to be made.

    1) Bradley had a good to great game, he covered ground, pressured the Belgium players forcing turnovers, linked up decently going forward, made a world class assist. Did he turn the ball over sometimes in the last 3rd, sure but that is where teams typically lose the ball, it’s called defenders that is literally their only job. Bradley was played out of position this whole World Cup because our next batch creative attacking midfielders mix, Gil, corona, joya, ect weren’t quite ready for this cup or were over the hil to put the miles on (Donovan). Bradley will be 30 at he next World Cup and be asked to play either as a box to box or as a pure defensive holding midfielder which is his natural and best position and we will see the Bradley we have seen on the national team for the last 6 years, ie one of our best players. He also likely will be given the armband (it was Bradley psyching up the team before overtime) when Dempsey hangs it up and if Howard doesn’t want it or we want a field player to have it.

    2) Future is really bright there are exactly 3 players on this roster that won’t be available next cycle that I’ll miss, jones Dempsey and Beasley. The other older players Davis, wondo and beckerman fought for country and deserve thanks but I don’t think the team will miss their skills. Every other player will still be young enough to be in the pool. Altidore is 24 iceman is 24, green is 19 yedlin is 20, brooks is 21, Boyd is 23, agedelo is is 21 and there are other skillful players that are coming up and will be big players next cycle. Yedlin is an example of the difference being associated with a professional team since you are 15 can make. We are just seeing the first batch of the MLS academy players and we will see more and more going forward. These guysc an play and even though they don’t attract the attention (yet) from Europe as younger players from other parts of the world do, if you play first team minutes on an MLS team at 18-19 years old you got real talent.

    3) Klinsmann deserves credit and gets positive marks for this World Cup. The only glaring mistake was not having better cover for Jozy. Still he managed our way to a result against Portugal (which should have been a win) and we went toe to toe (and could have gotten a result) against 2 of the tournament favorites. He made good roster selections thwt were largely successful, and he got the team to buy into what he was selling and fight for all 380 minutes they played. Wondo got open on goal twice not klinsmann’s fault there was no finish, but that has been wondo’s issue at this level forever.

    4) this team would be much deadlier on the counter with altidore. Altidore not only can hold the ball up so our speed wings can make runs but he draws fouls and is a great passer. It was a huge blow losing him and I hope it silences his critics somewhat.

    • Kmac014 says:

      Agree completely. Best post in this thread

      • didoson says:

        So agree. The negativity in this thread is pathetic armchair quarterbacking. And the trolls are out.

    • Advocate says:

      Agree, except that not having cover for Jozy was not the only glaring mistake. Donovan might or might not have been able to start and complete every game. But while he was on the field he would have provided much needed attacking creativity and mobility, allowing Bradley to play in his usual position and almost certainly improving his performance.

    • Fredo says:

      Disagree with everything except, the Future is always bright.

  86. Roman Lewandowski says:

    This hurts. Despite what the first-time soccer watchers in ESPN Land say, we didn’t exceed expectations. One win, one draw, two losses. No matter the opponents, a quality team doesn’t call that a success.

    Too many glaring errors from Klinsmann. Like Michael Jordan, he gets away with downright atrocities because of what he did as a player. Donovan could have contributed at four positions, at the very least. He still is a top-five player in the American talent pool. I feel for him and for the players who had to play with a needlessly subpar roster. Davis and Wondo were inexcusable inclusions. I doubt they even have the quality for Iran or Honduras.

    I hope Klinsmann converts a couple more dual-nationals (Zelalem, Parker) and then gets the boot in favor of a Bob Bradley-type. JK can be technical director all day, but he hasn’t proven anything as a coach (Germany, Bayern, US). A third-place finish at home with world-class talent and a string of wins against CONCACAF and Euro B-sides. Nice. Bradley got fired after doing much more with Egypt.

    Go US in 2018 and forever.

  87. RV says:

    This team was so bad on the counter…so bad, that alone was reason to keep Landon on the team, not to mention that our wingers did nothing.

    I can’t count how many times I screamed at the TV for Bradley to move forward faster or make a faster first pass. Didn’t happen.

  88. Adam M. says:

    Anyone who thinks this result is the same as 2010 does not remember that 2010 was an easy group and we needed an epic England flub and a last second miracle to escape and then we lost to Ghana on a defensive lapse. This time we beat Ghana, got out of real Group of Death, and held a dark horse favorite loaded with talent to the wall, and did so with two broken noses and three hamstring injuries (that we know about). Much better result this time.

    • Jack says:

      No question, the strongest team in our group in 2010 was England who isn’t as good as the weakest in our group this time in Ghana.

      • beachbum says:

        interesting Slovenia was the strongest team in our group imo, and Portugal the weakest team this time

    • Clover362 says:

      And we had the best travel schedule of everyone in our group. This team had travel hell from the draw. Also we got bit by the injury bug pretty hard this cup which sometimes happens.

    • beachbum says:

      don’t forget we also had to overcome two honest goals disallowed to advance in 2010, one against Slovenia and one against Algeria. The 2010 group also won their group for the first time in 60+ years, and did so by scoring in the final group stage game…guess how many goals the US has scored in the final group stage game, and it was an epic goal.

      this team made it out of the group in consecutive cycles, also a first and an excellent accomplishment.

      similar to me but the Algeria goal at the death remains the greatest USMNT moment imo, equaled only by the 2002 win vs. Mexico

  89. 57Tele says:

    Congrats to the team for making it out of a very difficult group with probably the least skilled group of players in the group. Individually, every team in our Group is probably much better, but the US made it out by playing as team and fighting as hard as they could – having Howard helped.

    Wondo didn’t blow the game, Howard saved it. US was completely outclassed by a much better group of individuals but it still went in to extra time which is a credit to how hard they played. Klinsmann did great to get the team out of the group and all of his moves were great (even playing Davis as bad as he was because Bedoya needed the rest and he didn’t have many other options), except leaving Donovan off the roster. One player wouldn’t have made the difference in this game – he needed about 5 other players but Donovan would have at least been able to maintain some possession and pass to people on his team a lot better than some of the people on the field.

    I appreciate the goals from Dempsey but I won’t miss the 60 seconds of brilliance and 389 minutes of mediocrity. He’s a goal scorer but not a creator and it was like they were playing a man down today. I think Dempsey could excel with a better supporting cast, but with the group we had, it just didn’t seem like he could be a significant factor for much of the time. For all the flack Bradley has taken on this site (deservedly so because he played poorly), Dempsey was ineffective for most of the tournament and gave the ball away almost as much. I thought he should have been subbed, but Klinsmann’s hands were kind of tied when he had to waste a sub for Johnson getting injured.

    Not sure there was much he could do in terms of subs because so many players were tired and needed to come off but he didn’t really have the players to bring in. Time to start getting ready for 2018 now I guess.

    Oh yeah … hats off to Beasley. He got better every game and was one of the best players on the field for the US. I never would have imagined that … Dempsey “fan boys” can let me have it now.

    • MLSsnob says:

      On Bradley, to whom much is given, much is expected. We all put our hopes and aspirations this tournament on his shoulders, due to the fact that he was near perfect in the lead up games and MLS and with Roma. Since he failed somewhat remarkably, we are quick to attack.

  90. MikeG says:

    Copa America 2016 could potentially put a ‘core’ roster together for the next WC Qualifying cycle. Copa America will be revealing to the players and coaches of the USMNT.

  91. MikeG says:

    The US needs a more possession minded team. Possession keeps pressure off of the defense. I hope the USMNT is built around blazing speed. As much speed and skill as possible.

    • MLSsnob says:

      What do you think the 4-3-3 was about? We actually won the possession battle in the first half. However, possession without meaningful possession doesn’t mean jack. What we need are players that can combine in tight spaces in the final 3rd and break down an opposing defense with a moment of brilliance. Those players are hard to come by and I don’t see enough of them in the pipeline. I’m over putting my hopes and dreams in to another prospect only to see them move to another Bundesliga youth team because they can’t crack the first team at they’re current one. Or staying forever in Mainz or West Ham, signing professional contracts and never getting minutes.

  92. Len says:

    A few random thoughts:

    For those who rag against JK for playing defensively (“just like BB”), the big difference is that BB played that way all the time, against El Salvador (respectfully) as well as teams like Germany. The teams we played in this World Cup were simply too good to allow us to “take it to them”. It’s not a matter of will,it’s a matter of skill. You can see it in first touch, distribution, 50/50 balls and on and on. The “tactics” have to fit the opponent and IMO his approach was fine for this set of opponents. I think this was much tougher than 2010.

    I think JK was spot on with the young legs. I loved watching Yedlin bomb up the wing and I agree that Julian Green’s goal was important in many ways

    Still not giving him a pass for excluding Donovan but I don’t think we”ll ever know the whole story unless JK writes a book when it’s all over (even then it will be his slant).

    Before the WC, I thought that if we used Beasely and Evans against world class opponents, we’d be toast (even though I love them both). To my surprise, I thought Beasley was fantastic.

    MB had a much better game today and I agree with above comments that if we can find a better #10, I think he will make a great #6 next cycle. I agree with another poster who wondered if he had lingering effects from his recent foot “procedure”. I’ve never seen his touch be so bad as in the first 3 games.

    JJ was a beast through the tournament and it was interesting to see him used almost like a target forward at times, winning multiple headers etc in addition to doing the “dirty work”, earning and giving fouls, being injured at the right time etc.

    I thought Bedoya had a better game and covered a lot of ground, Zusi not so much.

    I think that if we have to rely on OG in the next cycle against the big boys, that may be problematic. He’s just not good enough with his feet. OK for back up or to come in when we lead and a team like, say Sweden starts bombing balls into the box.

    I disagree with those who thought Cameron played poorly. He is very calm on the ball and has good feet. We need to find his best position

    That’s my 2 cents. All in all, a decent show and I’m proud of the team but oh Wondo, the moment was just too big.

  93. Mark says:

    Positives: We made it out of the group of death. No matter how good we know we are, the world will continue to underestimate US Soccer. Howard had a hell of a World Cup. And Green only had a few minutes but WOW!!!! Wish Klinsmann had knew about him earlier.

    We now have time to find a new chant. Honestly, we could do A LOT better than “I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN WIN”. I know some love this chant but i find it really dull and annoying. Saying something repeatedly does not make it better.

    We are not possessing enough. Honestly we were lucky to get out of the first game with a win. Our only good game as a team was against Portugal which ended in a tie.
    WONDO SUCKS!!!!!! He is not an international player. Only reason he got to play was Altidore being hurt and Herculez not making it to the World Cup after last season’s injury and losing his spot in Tijuana.
    Dempsey playing out of position hurt (because Altidore’s injury).

    Bradley…. what can I say about him. He was suppose to be our clutch player and he sucked. Honestly I blame MLS. Yes they gave him a good money deal but I bet if he was not in MLS he would have been a lost sharper. Our best players should go abroad whether it’s Europe or dare I say Mexico…. and why not Brazil? they have a really strong league.

    And finally, Klinsmann. I still believe in the man but he lost his touch at a bad time. Playing in our half for most of the World Cup is a bad strategy! I hope he can turn this around. I honestly think the US had one more game in them. I don’t think Belgium is that great.

    Looking forward to the 2016 Copa America. 2015 Gold cup meh, unless we clinch the Confederations Cup otherwise we only need to win the playoff.

    • beachbum says:

      on MB, he was thrust into a role he does not play just weeks before the World Cup started, and struggled. As a coach, I know who I see as responsible for that

      • MikeG says:

        As a coach myself, I know who is responsible for that too. Not only MB, but F johnson, and a few others as well.

    • johannes Kinz says:

      Like I’ve said before. Klinnsman panicked big time. 3 defensive mids? really?

  94. Langley says:

    Just a few things:

    1) please, please stop with the Landon stuff. Wondo missing does not prove that Donovan, or anyone else for that matter, would have scored. That’s not how logic works. If Donovan was playing, maybe he’s not in the same position to score, maybe he doesn’t sky it over the bar, but maybe he hits it straight at Courtois, or maybe a bear runs out on the field and mauls him, or maybe Vertonghen barfs on him and he has to get subbed out…WHO EFFING KNOWS WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED?? The only thing his miss proves is that he missed.

    2) Anyone who says we haven’t made progress isn’t looking at the bigger picture, just the result. Our 2010 team played vastly inferior competition in the group stage and struggled mightily. We played a pretty innocuous draw with England and only one because green tried to save Dempsey’s shank with both hands around his neck. WE WERE DOWN 2-0 to Slovenia for christ’s sake!!! And then of course we couldn’t break down a poor Algerian side until the final minute. That gets murdered in our group this year. A lot of people are whining about klinsman saying “he promised, he promised ME attacking soccer.” EVERY coach promises attacking soccer! If we had attacked Belgium for 90 minutes like we did out of desperation at the end, I think we would have been out of the game by halftime. We don’t have the talent yet to go at elite teams full on and dictate a game. That’s the goal; we’re not there yet. When we did attack and were successful in the run of play, this team did show more technical ability and link up play than nearly every goal from 2010. 2002 we were strictly (more or less) a counter attacking side who swat deep, defended and hit hard on the break.

    3) looking ahead is perfectly fine. I bet tomorrow jurgen is texting Joe Gyau, Junior Flores, etc and saying something about pushing to be a part of the next cycle. This shit doesn’t stop for those guys. It’s on to the next…and I know this was disappointing, but I’m sick of reading a lot of tithe I and comments on this site just dumping on everyone. This isn’t a video game–players get hurt, they get tired, they make mistakes–especially when playing against superior teams for 16 games. They didn their best and it wasn’t good enough to beat a team THAT WAS PICKED BY MANY AS A DARKHORSE TO WIN THE WHOLE THING. And if wondo scores and we do win it covers up. A lot of the same flaws. Belgium was the better side and deserved to win. Settle down.

    • MikeG says:

      Belgium was the better side. Knowledgeable coach’s and fan’s have been complaining about an old vinyl record skipping and not getting on with finishing the song.

    • Scott1 says:

      I don’t know what Klinsman’s true intentions were. Was the attacking threat a smokescreen? Were we going to be a counterattacking team the whole time because eventually, if we went deep into the tournament, we would have to play that strategy sooner or later? Were we trying to perfect it or something? All I know is I have never seen a side survive such an onslaught of attacks for 90 minutes like we have. It somewhat reminds me of the Bora Milutinović years. As I recall, we didn’t allow as many oppurtunities as back then, but we were boring as hell to watch.

      • Scott1 says:

        I meant to say the Bora Milutinović team were boring as hell to watch. This team was more frustrating to watch. I think I liked watching the Bradley coached team better.

  95. Yurch says:

    I can’t believe everyone pissed at Wondo for missing. We got absolutely annihilated. It should have been 3 or 4-0. I could not be more unhappy than I am right now.

    Klinsy was supposed to bring an attacking, pressing style to our team. He brought the exact same system as Bradley.

    We got absolutely smoked by Belgium and Germany. Ghana destroyed us (granted, the early goal hurt us, but still). Portugal we played well.

    We basically got killed in 3 out of 4 games. And people are blaming Wondo? Sure, he’s not international quality (and I’ve always been against him), but you CANNOT blame him at all. We didn’t deserve anything tonight.

    We wait another 4 years. We have marginally better talent now (thanks to the German Americans), but is it so different than 2010? What is different? Somebody give some legitimate positivity, cuz everyone I’ve spoken with tonight is full of $@#&.

    • MLSsnob says:

      Agreed, we have to give our hats off to Belgium, they are a much better team and an example we should follow. Just like the Japanese when Commodore Perry rolled into Tokyo harbor, we must evolve or die. That aside I would like to say, CONGRATS TO OUR BOYS, YOU PLAYED YOUR HEARTS OUT THIS TOURNAMENT (EXCEPT YOU MICHAEL BRADLEY) AND WE OUR GRATEFUL AND PROUD!!!

      • Kmac014 says:

        Michael Bradley didn’t play his heart out yet he has covered more distance than any other player so far. Ok

        • MLSsnob says:

          I don’t think that he didn’t play hard, only that I’m pissed at him for sucking so I’m not congratulating him. We have a million players who can run.

          • Yurch says:

            If only “covering more distance than any other player” equaled a goal, we would be in penalty kicks!

          • kmac014 says:


            That’s what you said I guess not what u meant

            • MLSsnob says:

              Is that better? Or do you have nothing better to do than to set around and troll all day? Douche.

      • Desmond says:

        What a dumb statement that is. Bradley allowed JJ to run all over the place and do whatever he wanted to do.

        • MLSsnob says:

          Did you watch any of t he qualifiers? Because that was the opposite of what was supposed to happen. That’s why so many people were clamoring for Beckerman instead of Jones so Bradley could be the one that was free to “run all over the place”. What we saw here was a Bradley who was given that same freedom to be a playmaker but couldn’t even connect on simple passes.

          • Desmond says:

            Ask Belgium if they would like to have Bradley on their team, Einstein.
            I can guarantee you they would.
            Jones has his role as an energy guy, destroyer. But he had no defined role and thought he was some sort of attacking player.

            • MLSsnob says:

              I asked, they said they were happy with;
              Axel Witsel Zenit Saint Petersburg, Kevin De Bruyne Wolfsburg, Marouane Fellaini Manchester United, Eden Hazard Chelsea,
              Dries Mertens Napoli, Steven Defour Porto,
              Mousa Dembélé Tottenham, Adnan Januzaj Manchester United and Nacer Chadli Tottenham. Don’t get me wrong, I like Bradley (except for this World Cup) but look at those guys, different league. It doesn’t take an Einstein to see that.

    • johannes Kinz says:

      Yurch, I totally agree. Klinnsman laughed at the fans and media because nobody questions him. He comes to the World Cup and basically parks the bus the entire time. really annoying.

      • Yurch says:

        Of course!

        I’ve argued with my buddies all night…How are we any different than 2010? “Jozy is only 20!!!”, “We have Yedlin and Green!”…

        What is different? We park it and counter…the same. Talent is a bit better, yes. But that much better? We have a few German-Americans who bailed us out (which I’m completely on board with Klinsy bringing in/staying).

        Other than that, we’re the same. Really frustrating

      • Langley says:

        So what would make you guys happy? We naively try and play attacking soccer against the teams in our group and go out 3-2, 4-2, and 4-0? Klinsmen was practical and tactically astute and we overachieved to get where we did.

        We are talking about a total shift in the way we play–totally revamping the way we train all the way down to our 12 year olds. You want that done in 4 years? Please. This is a cultural and generational shift. Look to the under 20s to come of age in 5-6 years to see the dividends. Then you guys will still find something to bitch about.

    • Clover362 says:

      We played 4 world class teams traveling over 9000 miles and playing in hot and humid conditions and either won, should have won or had a chance to win. That’s a lot more than the team in 2010 which played 1 world class team at the most.

      • Yurch says:

        Again, like others, you are talking about results. Results were great and had me giddy for a while.

        Then i thought…how did we play? how was our style? If we play these four teams ten times, how many do we win? How have we progressed since 2010?

        Believe me Clover, I’m searching for positivity…and while results are great, I can’t look at getting outplayed nonstop and scraping through as great.

        I’m miserable right now. Somebody give me hope besides “we made it through group of death”. I realize that was good. But we got run off the field again and again. I would’ve rather gone out in the group stage and looked dangerous than what just happened

    • Casey says:

      This is such a dumb and angry post it doesn’t surprise me that no one can give you a concise answer since you won’t take it. All I read is anger from you and no one you talked to can try to convince a dull pencil.

      • Yurch says:

        Great response. An argument you disagree with followed by insults. My guess is you’re not a lawyer…

        • Casey says:

          Don’t have to be a lawyer to see that you are angry and can’t see anything clearly just hate spewed at nothing. Good thing we won’t have to see you around for another 4 years when you crawl out of your hole.

          • Yurch says:

            And where is the anger? How long have you been following the national team? I’ve been a diehard since 98 (followed a bit of 94, but was 10), so not sure you won’t see me around.

            Again, not sure where the hate/anger is…but trying to have a legitimate argument with someone like you is a lesson in futility (ie. please don’t respond anymore).

            Anyways, can someone else can have an intelligent convo and convince me of the positives? Langley (post above mine) wasn’t terrible, and can buy some of what he’s selling…that said, i see a team that would likely do about the same as they did in 2010…klinsy promised a different mindset. Why are we still sitting back and countering? Why are we defending for 110 minutes?

            • Casey says:

              Exactly my point. You can’t discuss with someone that already has his mind made up.

              Your words are exaggerations of what happened on the field. Yes Germany played us off the field but tell me how we are the same as 2010? Are we giving up early goals and having to claw our way back? Ghana didn’t destroy us. You are as full s$$$ as these people are you were talking to today. You can’t argue with someone who is already set in stone. Stop posting here so that at least it can be a discussion. If you read above and below people will use pros and cons. Your post is the same as a 1 star review on yelp. Only gives one side of the coin that you see in your dim light. Wow since 98 lol

              • Yurch says:

                I said stop responding…Thanks…

                Anyone else want to have a rational discussion/argument? Or has Casey ruined it? (please stop bro)

              • Casey says:

                No one will since there is nothing to respond to. At least you won’t be around for about 4 years where you can yell and scream with exaggerated words you found a thesaurus.

              • Yurch says:

                (dude’s insane, everybody chill)

              • Casey says:

                Dude go back to your cave and troll again in 4 years. You have nothing to add other than you don’t agree and somehow think you’re smarter than JK. Give it a rest and come back for the next world cup.

              • Johannes Kinz says:

                I wish we would have been scored on early a few times, that is the only time we try to attack the other team with any purpose!

            • Langley says:


              I understand your frustration man, but I think you have to take into account the quality of our opponents. It’s simply undeniable that this was the highest quality we’ve played against. And of course this dictates our tactics.

              It might help if you look at 2002 as the anomaly; that team, for a variety of reasons, sort of blew the curve as far as expectations. We’ll get there, but like I mentioned in another post above, klinsman is after a total cultural shift regarding our approach to soccer. This was the first step and he had to take it with mostly players who are holdovers from the “old way.”

              Like I said, I get your frustration, but I think it might be clouding your judgement at the moment.

              • Yurch says:

                Appreciate the comments, and yeah, I hope the next few days make me feel better about the last four games.

                Sure, we played great teams. Teams that are very much superior than we are (at least man for man). So what? How do you compare anything? We played better teams so we sit back and become the 2006/2010 team?

                I get what you’re saying, but then I see Mexico going toe to toe with Holland. I see Algeria go head to head with Germany. I see the Swiss give Argentina a serious run. Teams that are not more talented than us. Yet they play without fear! Why can’t we? With 3 weeks of practice it’s not all about individual skill. We’ve seen that in this tournament! It’s about attitude and togetherness, which I thought we would have…we didn’t.

              • Johannes Kinz says:

                Again, have to agree Yurch! This Mexico that we are not afraid to take the game to now. The same Mexico we keep beating 2-0. The same Mexico that finished 4th in qualifying. Showed that you can go toe to toe with the big dogs and get the same results. So if we have been better than Mexico for the past 3 years why are we still emulating Greece?

    • Scott1 says:

      I think we are at a plateau in terms of producing talent, which isn’t much. I don’t know too much about MLS since I watch EPL and Champions League, but if our teams have the ability of rostering foreign players like EPL does, we will basically be consigned to this same level of being a mediocre international team indefinitely. There is a local minor league team by me and it has been nothing more than a revolving door for foreigners.

      That’s why I watch the EPL– if I’m going to watch foreign players I’ll watch the best.

      • Clover362 says:

        Younge prospects like yedlin came through an MLS academy. The us have had free or mostly free soccer acadamies for kids associated with a professional teams for what 6 years, how long has Manchester had that over a hundred? The us professional soccer league is 20 years old and already producing players that can compete at the World Cup (maybe not win but we were way more competative than Japan, Korea Cameroon ect , and I believe could have beaten teams like Greece Costa Rica Mexico Nigeria ). All the us needs to cross over into soccer super power status is a soccer to make that leap into main stream status (so that more of our huge population plays pick up games of soccer as kids instead of baseball football and basketball) and time. I’m 27 years old I think I will see the us be in the finals of the World Cup by th time I’m 70.

        • Scott1 says:

          I think soccer is more than main stream in England and they are struggling in comparison to other like-size soccer nations. I think part is due to the dependence and prejudice for foreign players and part is due to how (their style of) soccer is played there. Basketball, football and baseball aren’t going away (but who needs lazy baseball players anyway?) so they will always be sucking away talent. But yeah, I hope soccer continues to grow, it will help some. I do think young players need an off-season of full technical development without games, I think we need to capture the knowledge of the Dutch in developing technical skills and import that, and I think we need a plethora of semi-professional leagues to develop those late bloomers and overlooked players.

          • MLSsnob says:

            But unlike all of the countries you mentioned, they don’t have the sheer size that we have to pull from. Soccer might be the mainstream in those countries but we should be able to compete eventually with the numbers we have playing here. What we need are more professional academy teams developing the talent we have, that comes from more MLS teams, more MLS academies around more areas.

    • Nate says:

      Our team’s first sub off the bench today was a 20 year-old from the Seattle Sounders.

      Their team’s first sub off the bench was a striker from Chelsea.

      What possible tactics can there be that would have us winning a best of 10 series against this team? Best case scenario is that Belgium could have played horribly, got a red card, etc. but outside of that, they are going to beat us 7 or 8 times out of 10. The fact is that if Wondo raises his foot 2 inches we would have won.

      Every single game except maybe Portugal has been like this. The other teams’ substitutes would be the best soccer players in USMNT history – Boateng, Essien, Klose, Goetze, Schurrle, Lukaku…

      What kind of tactics are supposed to overcome such a huge talent gap with the level of consistency and regularity that you’re expecting?

      • Scott1 says:

        We’re not the most talented team for sure, but I think our fitness level isn’t so far behind and ball possession so bad that we couldn’t have been more aggressive against Belgium. But we did lose badly to them in a friendly…So maybe I’m wrong.

        Better tactics? I think they exist but it’s rare to find coaches of that caliber. And since coaches can only come out of the ranks of ex-players, the talent pool is incredibly restricted.

      • MLSsnob says:

        Agree and disagree, if De’andre Yedlin was from say, Croatia instead of Washington he would be the one playing for Chelsea. There are a lot of reasons why he’s not, American bias, etc. But I agree with you for the most part, we were definintley outclassed. We need a stronger domestic league and MORE SUPPORT FOR OUR DOMESTIC LEAGUE, if we are going to be on level terms with those other countries.

  96. Tiny says:

    Freddy Adu 2018 !

  97. Desmond says:

    Some thoughts:
    1. Johnson is a great athlete great getting forward but a below average defender who some how tefloned his way from being blamed for the second Portugal goal. Watch the aerial view, he did not track his man and you don’t pass off a forward sprinting full speed in the box. He also was ball watching on the first Ghana goal. That’s 33% of our goals given up on him.
    2. Jones had an incredible goal and he ran hard in Brazil but I could not imagine what role he was given. This guy just does whatever he wants to on the field. He was supposed to allow Bradley freedom to attack but who ever heard of an attacking CMF covering more ground than anyone in the entire tournament.
    3. JK is a good “manager”, average coach. He made some great moves, but his roster selection, tactics, style of play and lineups/subs were sometimes good, sometimes bad. Best way I can describe it.
    There was no roles for the midfield and it was painfully obvious. There was no plan for playing possession or enough players who could play that style and it showed.
    JK is a great politician, great with the media, greatest promoter since PT Barnum and he has to be complimented for getting us to the round of 16.
    4. If you think LD could not have helped all I can say is big sigh. LD is a real soccer player with an aging body but a great skill set and he would have definitely helped somewhere. No one will ever know for sure
    5. On the positive, JK and this team helped the sport grow. I really think that international/professionalsoccer is more popular than professional hockey in the country. Kudos to them for helping the growth
    6. Julie Foudy……it’s over
    7. Roberto Matinez….best studio analyst ever.
    8. Bob Ley….what a pro….Twellman….funny little guy isn’t he…can’t really take him seriously
    9. Commercials…best ever and props for the regular camera shots of good looking women during the telecast
    10. The rest of the world tells us “If the US every takes this game seriously we are in trouble”
    We need to have US Soccer invest SERIOUS money so that the best coaches are coaching our best developing players (starting at age 12). Sadly, I don’t see this happening.
    Player development is what we really need and don’t count on JK getting involved in that. If we develop better players people will watch the game.If we ever did, we could be able to compete soccer wise with Germany and Belgium….. and that I Believe.

    • User222 says:

      dont go anywhere….

      2015 – Gold Cup (summer in US cities)
      2016 – Copa America Centenary (summer in US cities)
      2016 – World Cup Qualifying (spring and fall in US cities)
      2017 – FIFA Confederations Cup (summer in Russia)
      2017 – World Cup Qualifying (spring and fall in US cities)
      2018 – FIFA World Cup (summer in Russia)

    • Scott1 says:

      I tried watching the ESPN studio conversations but couldn’t take it. I’m tired of watching ex-athletes and coaches fill these roles up, not just soccer but every other sport as well, because they just aren’t the most talented presenters or interesting people. They were great athletes..but otherwise…terribly boring.

      • Scott1 says:

        Oh and when I say boring I don’t mean I want to watch a shock-jock or someone with radical opinions either. Then you get someone stupid like Ann Coulter.

      • Helium-3 says:

        What is it with the soccer c.v. displayed every time former players are offering their views or analysis of the game? Is this to establish some sort of street cred for the casual fan?

        Why do the networks assume soccer fans are newbies? Hard core ppl know who are guys like Gullit, Van Basten, Van Nistelrooy, Lalas, Wynalda, etc. Why don’t they do the same when Terry Bradshaw or Dan Marino is on tv?

    • Cylo says:

      Desmond go away. Your annoying

    • Advocate says:

      Desmond: So far so good, but I would add: DaMarcus Beasley — the best second act in US soccer, ever.

  98. Scott1 says:

    We weren’t the best team around but we had our chances. Lucky not to concede a goal in the first 90, unlucky not to get one. U.S. wasn’t enjoyable to watch until they were down- and that was true of almost every game. But as Americans, without the immense pressure of having to win it all, we can just enjoy watching the cup. I would have been more bitter if I thought we truly deserved more.

    • Yurch says:

      Another Scott on the board…and rational post…I’m super unhappy with how we played and how we looked in general. I hope the next cycle gives us more.

      The most frustrating part is having to go down before we started looking decent. It’s like the chicken or the egg. Were we better because we went down and had to claw back, or did the other team fall back knowing they just had to protect the lead?

      Our talent is improving, so let’s hope 4 years is enough to really be relative contenders, cuz this just made me miserable. Cheers!

  99. OH NO! says:

    I know it’s over but I still can’t believe Jurgen chose Brad Davis over Landon Donovan it really is pathetic. Wondo over Boyd??? Really JK??? SMH!!! Danny Williams would have made the team if he wasn’t injured. I honestly believe those 3 players would have been game changers and Julian Green should have came in early. Bedoya and Zusi are just awful! Zusi is only good at setting up goals other than that he’s not much help. In the end all we can do is hope that our young prospects in Europe step up to the next level. We need more possession. We can’t go into a game and defend the whole 90 minutes. Belgium deserved the win but that team can’t finish. It was bond to happen for them to score goals on us. To all the prospects in Europe you guys are up next because the era of Dempsey, Donovan, and the great Howard is sadly over.

    • Cylo says:

      OMG please watch Landon play. Wow all of these Landon fans are really annoying. He sucks as of today. He came off the bench in the last Galaxy game. His not in form. His past 32. Its over

  100. Dean in Jersey says:

    I watched it with 40 co-workers including our ardent Belgian CFO. The Wondo chance practically sent him on the floor. He was disturbed about going into extra time. Got cocky after it was 2-0.. Great to see Julian make him sweat. I was a Julian doubter. Sorry JK. But next time, don’t sit Beckerman. Oh, there is no next time for KB. I always loved baseball and soccer was too boring. Now looking at the boring baseball scores makes me long for a missed shot at Messi.

  101. Hush says:

    No matter how you look at it, it was a successful World Cup. The one element we’re missing in our game are world class players with serious technical and gm experience. We’re not there yet in that regard, so losing to an elite young team like Belgium, it’s understandable. We gave everything we had on the field, and still came up short. There’s a huge difference between a 70 million team and a 800 million clearly… I had Belgium winning this 3-1.. Thank gawd for Timmy!

  102. Dan says:

    WTF am I missing here? Most stats say we were the WORST attacking team in this World Cup. We played 30 minutes more than we did in 2010. You need to peak in this tournament regardless of the opponents. We started with a win. then tied. then lost and lost again. Progress? This has to be said. If you know you’re going to be traveling 9,000 miles, wouldn’t it be wise to move your camp to a location that makes more sense? Apparently not. I thought this team looked a smidge better than we did in 2010 but a LOT more desperate in each of the games. Is JK’s idea of the future just to sit back, play d all game, take shot after shot and hope for a good counter? Tell me how that’s different than the past. Frustrated but proud of the effort.

    • espada says:

      Look at the teams we played this cup in comparison to 2010. It’s a different kind of football (mediocre vs elite). And we don’t have the kind of technically sound players that other nations have yet to control games. Consider the injuries we had and weather conditions, too. And give Klinsmann time. It’s only been 3 years.

    • Nate says:

      Of course we’re one of the worst attacking teams in the World Cup – look at our players versus who we are playing against. Let’s suppose for a second that transfer price is a relatively good predictor of how skilled a player is –

      The site “thescore” put together a list of all the WC teams, ordered by the sum of the estimated current transfer value of all their players. USMNT came in #28 out of the 32 teams, with a total value of $77.4M (Clint Dempsey, who many would say was forced to play out of position due to injury, makes up $9.5M of that). Belgium’s team has a total value of $468M. Hazard alone has a value north of $60M (and it shows – he is a total stud).

      What kind of results are you expecting? We were 30 seconds away from getting 2 wins in a group where our team comprised only 6% of the total player value. We’re never going to regularly get wins when we play teams that have the likes of Boateng, Goetz, and Lukaku sitting on their BENCH until we get legitimate star players (not just goalkeepers – the US will always be a goalkeeper factory, IMO).

      There’s a serious talent gap between us and the teams that we play, and I don’t think people on this site take that seriously when you see lots of people making condescending remarks about Switzerland, Mexico, etc. Newsflash – those teams have players playing for Bayern Munich, Manchester United, etc. Our star player is from the Seattle Sounders. And we have great goalkeepers, but how much of an impact can you have as a goalkeeper?

      Costa Rica and arguably Algeria are the only similarly-talented teams that outperformed our meagerly talented squad.

  103. Scott1 says:

    I don’t think what Klinsmann will have in 3 years will differ much from what we have now. This is it. He will continue to bring in new players and try them out. But I’m not blaming him. Maybe he could have been more attacking or used different tactics. Maybe we could have done better. But the team had plenty, if small, opportunities to score, and we just didn’t convert or finish those plays. Same as in previous years, our players had chances and we just didn’t finish them.

    I do think I preferred watching the Bruce Arena and Bradley coached teams.

  104. RLWinger says:

    Funny how we were all worried about our right back just a month ago — worry about that position getting ripped to shreds by CR7, who was going to be good enough, and then, Johnson and Yedlin ended up looking like two of the strongest players out there.

  105. Abel Quezada says:

    What you guys think about this for the future………… 2018
    4-2-3-1 can opt out for 4-1-3-2 w/ johansson under jozy
    Altidore (Boyd,Agudelo)

    Green Gil(Corona,Johannson) Fabian


    Farrell Brooks Gonzalez Yedlin


    Watch List: Klute, Villareal, Joya, Shea, Gatt, Arriola……..etc
    Wishlist/Buy Know: Fagundez, Zelalem

    • Clover362 says:

      I think Fabian is a defender not a midfield player long term. wouldnt mnd seeing him get a shot at LB with Yedlin on the right which would make both of our backs really dangerous going forward. Also there is a kid on FC Dallas n who is a right back, he played on the U-20 world cup team and was starting for Dallas before an injury. He is a unnoticed but very legit player who I see as being on the National team at some point in the next 2 cycles for sure.

    • Dean in Jersey says:

      Future can get bright if we fill the void left by Beckerman. We need some pinpoint passers with speed. How about add this guy to the watch list: Emerson Hyndman at Fulham, or “Emo” as his friends call him, has arguably the best scope for the game out of the entire YNT pool, which is a big claim that he continues to validate at the club level. His ability to survey and spray pinpoint passes is relatively uncommon at such a consistent clip, and his technical ability has him climbing the rungs at his EPL side.

  106. USA played really well throughout the tournament but in knockout game against Belgium they were little bit unlucky because in the first half of extra time they lost their momentum when Belgium scored two quick goals.

  107. Landon Klinsmann says:

    Two subs scored the first two sub goals in US Wcup history. Klinsmann is a maestro.

  108. Desmond says:

    Credit the pulled hamstring (3 total) for the Brooks sub, not intuition

  109. Birgit Calhoun says:

    If a game is so dependent on the goalie and has so little possession, one should not blame anyone except the team for losing. Howard did great, but what does that say about the team. It’s sad that Howard had to break a record in how many saves he had to make, and that Wondolowski is sort of being made into a scape-goat. The camera angle made his chance into much more than it really was. Everyone played to the best of their abilities. It does not exactly show that the US has arrived at the top of the ranking. I found the game very riveting anyway, and there is no real loser here other than the people who do not see the pleasure in watching the beautiful game win or lose.

  110. Birgit Calhoun says:

    Gaining soccer sense starts as a small child. This country will not have a sold base for greatness until kids are at it from early on. The best athletes are going into other sports where all the moves they make depend on what the coach tells them. It’s the difference between folk dancing and ballroom dancing. In soccer the players need to use their own imagination. Physicality is not going to win possession. It only gets people hurt.